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Not as long as he only transitions to another point that is connected to it by a filament.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Xavier Bronze
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Alex isn't quite as willy-nilly with the sins as Jeremy usually is. Like, how is someone being sexy onscreen by any metric a bad thing? But it's still a primarily comedic venture. None of it is meant to be taken as criticism, even if some of it might be valid. The CinemaSins formula is boundless unchecked negativity. That means if there's a momentary annoyance that's instantly addressed and not hard to figure out, that gets a sin. If there's a slightly inadequate explanation for a plot hole that most people wouldn't even notice, that also gets a sin.
It would be fully possible to easily counter-point the majority of sins. For an example, look up the YouTube channel CinemaWins. It's the exact same format, but with positivity instead. But at that point it ceases to be comedy and turns into a legitimate conversation. Boundless unchecked positivity isn't as funny. The Angry Video Game Nerd is also essentially a similar premise.
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Post the comic.
xkcd: Password Strength
Ambition, want, desire, and hope are synonyms and neutral terms.
Avarice, covetousness, and greed are more like intense or selfish wants.
It's why the "Light of Avarice" has always bothered me, it implies only the negative aspects of wanting stuff or only being able to pursue desires in a negative manner without a wider perspective.
I mean, Ion is not the embodiment of arrogance, conceit, egotism, or solipsism. That's Malfeas. Adara is hope, not indolence, self-delusion or intemperance.
QQ Reference, and that was Hawkgirl not Hawkwoman, as you said. From Justice Lords-Earth not Renegade 16-Earth.
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well to be fair to whoever named it, most examples they had to go on about it's nature where not exactly shining beacons of sanity and enlightened self interest.
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Pavlos is the current Agent Orange, he can bloody well rename it to Desire or Want or Whatever.
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when he gets around to setting up a pr department, then he can start working on rebranding it. That said, giving it a name like avarice might help drive home the point that using it is extremely dangerous, and does require a very specific mindset to use safely.
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I think the writers were hoping to do the whole equal parts of good and evil or at least usually has positive and negative connotations. Like how red lanterns are usually raging beserkers who don't really care for right or wrong so long as they get to smash whatever is pissing them off, or how indigo lanterns are powered by compassion but usually are composed of brained washed horrible criminals forced to feel empathy for their crimes until the ring is removed. It's just a matter of intentions behind a person's action that are fueled by certain emotions, like how Sinestro imposed his will onto his planet to bring forced peace, or how Paul wants to help others or gains something from helping.
Science
If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
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That's the point, Red and Orange Light are given names with negative connotations while the rest of the Spectrum of EMR between 390 to 700 nm(Why no Gamma or UV lanterns?) are given neutral names. Implying that those two are pretty much "evil" emotions, while the others simply have bad people using them.
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Empiricist2
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They never really communicate that all that well. Yes, it's obviously comedy, but if you hadn't seen the movie or remembered it well enough, you could mistake a lot of what they're saying as actual criticisms. They're purposely disregarding some facts for the purpose of comedy and never make that known.
Also, they do occasionally give points for stuff, so you can't really say that they're unchecked negativity.
Well said. Related, I've had a problem with this line:
If it was anyone else saying it, it'd be alright. But the Ophidian should realize that "the emotional need for a thing" is inaccurate. While that's close, I'd say that orange light works off of "emotional desire for the improvement of self" or something similar to that. Compassion could be described as "an emotional need for a thing", so long as that thing helps others. A definition of avarice, in the context of this story, that doesn't include the concept of doing things for yourself is incomplete. It doesn't distinguish itself from compassion.
Well, "avarice" is a word specific to English. He can just start calling it something else, and it really doesn't affect anything.
Changing the name for the sake of future recruits wouldn't accomplish much, as they're hearing a translation of the concept he's trying to convey, and his understanding of the orange light wouldn't have changed.
Given the alternate worlds seen during the Ambush Bug arc, I hope the Orangest Night is a stable time loop where the people OL will help in the future (Tai Lung, Luna, and Azula) go back in time to make sure OL will be able to help them, sort of like Marvel's Destiny War in the 90s.
Link: Stable Time Loop - TV Tropes
Ultraviolet lanterns are mimes; that's why you can't see the construct boxes they keep sealing themselves into.
Nobody can get an answer as to what emotion the UV Light represents; because, well, mimes.
Silveraith
Argent Phantasm
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@Mr Zoat, I think this should be "May" since Father Mattias is a more formal type of guy and doesn't know the SI on an informal level. The SI himself is also a formal individual with his own idiosyncrasies.
Empiricist2
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It would be really inconvenient to give cancer to everyone around you whenever you use a construct. And to constantly increase the risk of cancer to everyone around you with your environmental shield.
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Don't mean to be a broken record, but I have another continuity question for Mr. Zoat, this time regarding Poison Ivy. In response to a question of what happened to her after she was depowered, originally you said:
But in Bindings we see that she's just in a less secure part of Arkham. Can we try to come up with a No-Prize explanation or do we just call this a retcon?
To go on a different tangent, my next question is about something from the comics. In the New Earth continuity, apparently, New Gods are imbued through the source to gain their powers. From the DC Database entry on New Genesis it says:
And here it states:
If I recall correctly, you said that Universe-16 New Gods don't tend to mainline external sources of power except for a few like Darkseid with the Omega Force or Highfather with the Source. So is the Rite of Ascension just not a thing for New Gods on Universe-16?
Article: She spent some time in Belle Reve before transferring back to Arkham. She's barely responsive to external stimuli anymore. After testing showed that her floromantic powers really had been removed she was transferred to a more normal assylum.
But in Bindings we see that she's just in a less secure part of Arkham. Can we try to come up with a No-Prize explanation or do we just call this a retcon?
To go on a different tangent, my next question is about something from the comics. In the New Earth continuity, apparently, New Gods are imbued through the source to gain their powers. From the DC Database entry on New Genesis it says:
Article: Each Genesisian goes through a ceremony known as "The Rite of Ascension" that imbues them with power from the Source in order to officially become a New God.
And here it states:
Article: Like all New Gods, Scott Free was meant to undergo the rite of ascension and claim his "god power," something he had long resisted. He and Barda were living on New Genesis where she had tried to train another band of Female Furies (she found their mettle lacking). Scott fled from the ceremony at the last moment and when he was gone, forces from Apokolips appeared and attacked Barda. Granny Goodness speared her through the back and chest and the Black Racer took her to the afterlife, to a realm called Hadis.
If I recall correctly, you said that Universe-16 New Gods don't tend to mainline external sources of power except for a few like Darkseid with the Omega Force or Highfather with the Source. So is the Rite of Ascension just not a thing for New Gods on Universe-16?
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She was like that to start with, then she sort of rebooted.Don't mean to be a broken record, but I have another continuity question for Mr. Zoat, this time regarding Poison Ivy. In response to a question of what happened to her after she was depowered, originally you said:
"She spent some time in Belle Reve before transferring back to Arkham. She's barely responsive to external stimuli anymore. After testing showed that her floromantic powers really had been removed she was transferred to a more normal assylum."
But in Bindings we see that she's just in a less secure part of Arkham. Can we try to come up with a No-Prize explanation or do we just call this a retcon?
Ganurath
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It's not unprecedented for Zoat to change his mind on things. As I recall, he'd originally planned for OL to be receptive to Zatanna's advances.Don't mean to be a broken record, but I have another continuity question for Mr. Zoat, this time regarding Poison Ivy. In response to a question of what happened to her after she was depowered, originally you said:
"She spent some time in Belle Reve before transferring back to Arkham. She's barely responsive to external stimuli anymore. After testing showed that her floromantic powers really had been removed she was transferred to a more normal assylum."
But in Bindings we see that she's just in a less secure part of Arkham. Can we try to come up with a No-Prize explanation or do we just call this a retcon?
That works, too.
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I actually had a really good fridge-brilliance answer to this question (as well as "why no infrared") a while back:
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Reading Dial H, I have to say the bleedtech of the dial users is in the running for most impressive technological civilization in the DC franchise.
Dials to create portals to other universes, dials to turn into superheroes with a flick of a wrist, dials to conjure up gadgetry from all across the multiverse, dials to summon up apocalypses, technology to enhance a hero transformation (or fiddle with them to hybridize them.)
Which makes the Operator society's supposed destruction seem rather unlikely.
Now I'm picturing a Paul with a dial. I suppose the most in theme would be a gadget dial user, summoning gadgetry at random (Well, with a working dial and the knowledge to use it, a user would get exactly what they want each time, but that's a bit much for a starting point).
Dials to create portals to other universes, dials to turn into superheroes with a flick of a wrist, dials to conjure up gadgetry from all across the multiverse, dials to summon up apocalypses, technology to enhance a hero transformation (or fiddle with them to hybridize them.)
Which makes the Operator society's supposed destruction seem rather unlikely.
Now I'm picturing a Paul with a dial. I suppose the most in theme would be a gadget dial user, summoning gadgetry at random (Well, with a working dial and the knowledge to use it, a user would get exactly what they want each time, but that's a bit much for a starting point).
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CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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OL: "I hereby announce this name from henceforth: the Orange Light of Aspiration!"
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I'm new to SV, and signed up partly because of this story. Just adding another drop to the OMGTHISSTORYROCKS bucket. Lake. You know...
If there was discussion about this earlier and I missed it, I'd love for someone to point me in the right direction, but has anyone talked about what Lantern colors other members of the team best fit? Granted, character development means that you can't argue all of the obvious first thoughts even if some do apply.
Kon El and M'gann, might be stereotypical, but could you argue yellow for Artemis (her past) or Wally (esteem issues and eating disorder)? For that matter, after his adoption, I really could see blue Superboy as his life keeps getting better.
Well, no matter what, this is an EPIC story in every sense of the word.
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So Havelock Vetinari killed the lot of them, basically
What about UV and Gamma Embodiments? Also, Emotional Light doesn't act like regular light I should think.
Wait, how did OL use Gamma Light(EM Radiation) against Clayface when he can only make Orange Light(EM Radiation)?
Kryptonians, and I suspect Maltusians, and plenty of those other "bullshit OP" races that litter DC are tetra if not penta chromatic.
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I see no reason to assign special meaning to the visible colors of the emotional spectrum, really.
Constructs can be different colors- Like Kyle's accidental creations Oblivion and his personal green lantern corps.
The energy the Corpse uses is purple, and since the Guardians are allergic to using other emotions that leaves the purple power of the Corpse willpower in a hat and fake moustache.
And there's at least one lantern who doesn't even have a concept of color- Rot Lop Fan, who thinks he's a part of the F Sharp Bell corps.
Constructs can be different colors- Like Kyle's accidental creations Oblivion and his personal green lantern corps.
The energy the Corpse uses is purple, and since the Guardians are allergic to using other emotions that leaves the purple power of the Corpse willpower in a hat and fake moustache.
And there's at least one lantern who doesn't even have a concept of color- Rot Lop Fan, who thinks he's a part of the F Sharp Bell corps.
Empiricist2
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It doesn't, but it does still emit actual light of the appropriate color. In the dark, OL's surroundings are orange when he uses a construct.
Maybe it's the Gamma Light of Giving People Cancer?
He can't make constructs different colors, but he can make construct mechanisms to produce the correct color of light. He's not making lasers by having a section inside the construct glow extra bright, he's making an actual laser mechanism.
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Doylist: You can't draw images that are infrared, gamma or ultraviolet coloured
Watsonian: The white light of life demonstratably splits into the 7 emotional lights. If there were other lights, they'd be detected and used; they haven't been, therefore they don't exist
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Something that OL has learned with experience is that he can create additional effects USING constructs instead of having the constructs themselves be the ability.
If he tries to create light, the only light he can create is orange. If he tries to fire an offensive beam, the only beams he can fire are orange particle beams or orange energy beams, and those are ridiculously power-intensive.
But with construct practice, he has learned to go second-order, using constructs and other powers to build things that can do other things. He can, for example, transmute or subspace a tungsten filament and pump energy through it to make a light bulb that emits normal blackbody radiation. And in the case of the Gamma Cannon, he might be transmuting a critical mass of a radioisotope or pumping electrons of normal matter with enough energy to make them re-emit at a higher frequency.
I disagree with this argument. It could be that other lights exist but are harder to detect and therefore haven't been used. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, and all that.
Besides, that only would provide evidence THAT there isn't, not an explanation WHY there isn't.
EDIT: Also, considering UV is often called "black light" and people are familiar with the phosphorescent effect it has on (for example) white cloth, you could most certainly draw a UV Lantern in a meaningful and interesting way.
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But on the gripping hand Volthoom apparently can recharge his ring with despair, it's in fact his favorite way to fuel his ring.
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