With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

Queshire · Jan 11, 2017

So..... Am I the only one who read that last bit and thought that this would be a good chance to experiment with criminal rehabilitation via soul manipulation? I mean, there's an empty vessel right there, it'd only be the right proper superhero-y thing to try and fill it back up again (and maybe do some adjustments while you're doing so...)

Blazinghand · Jan 11, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
Sure, with sufficient velocity

o/ the shoutout to the forum!

One at sufficient velocity is all you need

Mr Zoat · Jan 11, 2017

Daecl said:
pleased

Avernus said:
"Harm's"
"burning"
"thought"

Thank you, corrected.

Rossum · Jan 11, 2017

Queshire said:
So..... Am I the only one who read that last bit and thought that this would be a good chance to experiment with criminal rehabilitation via soul manipulation? I mean, there's an empty vessel right there, it'd only be the right proper superhero-y thing to try and fill it back up again (and naybe do some adjustments while you're doing so...)

Or see if Paul can stick Fate's helmet on him. After all, Harm was dedicated enough to learn some magic.

deadpan29 · Jan 11, 2017

I've forgotten, but didn't most of the demons contributing to Sabbac's power get enough of a beat down when the last one appeared that they might not have been in a position to give this one as much juice?

Coda · Jan 11, 2017

Historical binge continues:

Mr Zoat said:
Killing Mister Hagen isn't a minor mistake, it's a breach of a fundamental part of the way in which the League likes to operate.

Semicolon

Mr Zoat said:
A mental image. Kon, slumped in front of the television. M'gann, standing in the kitchen. I'm not sure Teekl has linked names to faces yet, or if she can even do that.
There's also a vague impression of Red Tornado, she's not sure where he is and he doesn't smell like a person to her.

Extra linebreak in the middle

Mr Zoat said:
Ring, remove my boots and socks

Missing full stop

Mr Zoat said:
have much affect

effect

Mr Zoat said:
only every tried

ever

Mr Zoat said:
"Thank.. you.. sir.?"

Uncertain about the punctuation. If it's intentional, leave it.

Mr Zoat said:
the creatures point of origin

creature's

Mr Zoat said:
when I first picket it up.

picked

Mr Zoat said:
Not, given it's size.

its

Mr Zoat said:
the Nazi's arcane technology research

Nazis'

Mr Zoat said:
co-ordinate

American English doesn't use the hyphen.

Mr Zoat said:
There's some chemical formula's

formulas, or maybe formulae if the character would say that

Mr Zoat said:
All Star Squadron

All-Star, here and elsewhere; do you want me to highlight each relevant post or do you have it on your own?

Mr Zoat said:
able to chose

choose

Mr Zoat said:
Atlantians

Atlanteans, here and elsewhere; same question as above.

Mr Zoat said:
Our king sets great store by his Justice League, I've tried to familiarise myself with it's members.

Semicolon

Mr Zoat said:
STAR labs

Capitalization on Labs

Mr Zoat said:
lets try…

Let's

Mr Zoat said:
Bialiyan

Bialyan

Mr Zoat said:
She nods

Missing full stop.

Mr Zoat said:
Two shots wiz past me.

whiz, unless this is one of your idiosyncrasies.

Mr Zoat said:
extra sensory perception

Usually "extrasensory"

Mr Zoat said:
super dense silicone based compound

silicon, unless the statue's surface is nonstick -- I noticed this one before and got a big laugh out of it but that was before I started submitting corrections

Mr Zoat said:
line of site

sight

Mr Zoat said:
Atlantian

Atlantean, here and elsewhere

Mr Zoat said:
trust the ring to breath for me

breathe

Mr Zoat said:
it's leader

its

Mr Zoat said:
Could of sworn

Could've, although since this is dialogue I acknowledge the character could simply be using incorrect grammar

Mr Zoat said:
Ring based storage utilises power ring signature as connection point.

Ring-based. Also, the ring's speech pattern doesn't leave out articles most of the time. I would have expected "Ring-based storage utilises the power ring signature as a connection point."

Mr Zoat said:
All Star Squadron

All-Star Squadron, here and elsewhere

Mr Zoat said:
"Recognised, Wonder Woman, zero three, Orange Lantern , B, zero six, Teekl, C, zero one, Sphere, C, zero two."

Extra space between "Orange Lantern" and the subsequent comma, and most of the time you don't have a comma between the letter and the number.

Mr Zoat said:
Scott and 'Barbra' Free

Since as far as I can tell Barda doesn't have a DC-canon secret identity name I can't be certain (I might just not be looking in the right place) but it's usually "Barbara" unless the last name is "Streisand" though it's your choice.

Mr Zoat said:
all of the areas other major companies

area's

Mr Zoat said:
The reason the Frees linked a polite knock at the door to the boom tube in Bialya was that as I had earlier guessed, Diana 'feels' like a New God.

Comma in "was that, as I had"

Mr Zoat said:
Mister Luther

Luthor

Mr Zoat said:
Someone needs to teach them about overpenetration, they're going to shoot each other if she decides to risk making a break away.

Semicolon

Mr Zoat said:
build ups

Usually buildups or build-ups

Mr Zoat said:
Miss Grave's arm

Graves's, although Graves' might be acceptable in British English (you'd know better than I would)

Mr Zoat said:
yandare

yandere, and it's three syllables so that might mess up the response

Mr Zoat said:
Bizzaro

Bizarro

Avernus · Jan 11, 2017

Empiricist2 said:
So the various Sabbacs are lasting ever shorter periods of time before being taken down. I don't know about about the first one, but he seemed to have lasted a little while. The second stuck around long enough to invade Fawcett City, but not much else. Number three might not even make the state news, given he seems to have done barely more than property damage.

Is the next one going to die before the lightning hits him for the Sabbac transformation?

Well, that's a problem with making deals with demons; your value to them starts at "expendable tool" and goes downhill from there.

Yog said:
The "energy not compatible" thing is VERY interesting / strange. I mean, OL can obviously assimilate demons, which are made out of hell's energies entirely, as shown by Praexis demons and Hellshades he got. Are they using blacklight / antilife or something? I mean, those I can see being not assimilable.

Probably the energy in question was carefully chosen, shaped or warded to be that way. Mr Zoat mentioned a while back that Satanus was aware of OL's ability to assimilate demons and was setting up traps and protections to deal with it.

stsword · Jan 11, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
More like 'never knew'. None of the magic users he knows have mentioned anything along those lines. Doylist, I'm not using the concept because it contradicts 'anyone can do it'.

Not really. "Anyone can do it" doesn't equal "everyone's equally talented at it."

"Anyone can do it" applies equally well to swimming, moving, applying strength, and shouting, that doesn't change the fact that Kaldur, Wally, Conner, and Dinah are superhumanly good at those things.

Of course, not using them for the doylist reason that you don't want to still applies.

moralrelativity · Jan 11, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
pick up my rune stone float it over

and float it over

Dakkan Sall · Jan 11, 2017

bigreader said:
It can assimilate demons but not magic energy?

Possibly has at least something to do with that demons are entities with (however focused/limited) thoughts and emotions, whereas a spell is a construct of energy with at best a purpose behind it rather than a 'self' to be taken over.

EDIT: It might have worked better if he had been attempting/knew how to use the spell as a conduit to assimilate the caster on the other end of the link, but trying to do so to the spell itself and just hoping to nab the demon is probably what bugged out the attempt.

Mr Zoat · Jan 11, 2017

Mizu said:
stone and float it
bonds of arcane

Thank you, corrected.

The Bushranger · Jan 11, 2017

Rossum said:
Or see if Paul can stick Fate's helmet on him. After all, Harm was dedicated enough to learn some magic.

I think Paul just got a reason to send Satanus a Christmas card.

Silveraith · Jan 11, 2017

Rossum said:
Or see if Paul can stick Fate's helmet on him. After all, Harm was dedicated enough to learn some magic.

The Bushranger said:
I think Paul just got a reason to send Satanus a Christmas card.

That won't work. Zoat stated a long time ago that such an action would result in a "connection not found" message when people questioned what would happen if the SI put the helmet on back when he had no soul.

Tranquil Zebra · Jan 11, 2017

Rossum said:
Or see if Paul can stick Fate's helmet on him. After all, Harm was dedicated enough to learn some magic.

I wonder how the rest of the JL would react to Fate saying something along the lines of "Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer enslaving your friend and colleague to doing the same to a vegetative kinslayer. I've got more legroom in this internally screaming husk, you see."

Krazyfan1 · Jan 11, 2017

Mizu said:
Human shields kinda fall flat as a protection method when the one attacking you either:
a) doesn't care about killing random civilians
b) can heal them of whatever they hit the poor person with before they expire

Sadly, Harm encountered the second when he went up against OL.

Wasn't there a Jojo character who could heal anything and used this as a tactic?

Massgamer · Jan 11, 2017

Well shame his soul got stolen when he was depowered but makes sense that Satanus would want his soul for his failure.

On another note hope the Hawks are okay since their security didn't active, Hawkwoman didn't respond, and Harm did mention learning about teamwork so others may have attacked as well.

Also good on Paul for not letting a hostage stop him since he was able to heal the damage afterword. Yes it might not seem like the morally right thing to do but it was the smart thing to do.

Rossum · Jan 11, 2017

The Bushranger said:
I think Paul just got a reason to send Satanus a Christmas card.

Actually... now that I think about it, both Harm and Fate have that quirk where they refer to themselves in the third person. Harm was willing to screw up his own life and his soul to acquire some semblance of power in the form of that sword (and the power of Sabbac), while Nabu turned into a Lord of Order and bound his soul to the helmet.

I don't have much insight into exactly what makes Harm tick, or what values he has, but I wouldn't be surprised if having his soulless body ridden around by an arcane sort-of-master and go on to become a famous member of the Justice League (or enemy thereof depending on how the League reacts if Nabu loses his hostage) would actually something he'd be totally fine with.

Silveraith said:
That won't work. Zoat stated a long time ago that such an action would result in a "connection not found" message when people questioned what would happen if the SI put the helmet on back when he had no soul.

Soul tattoos? I mean, it would at least be worth a shot to make the offer to give Nabu one last second, third, or fifteenth chance to do the right thing.

Tranquil Zebra said:
I wonder how the rest of the JL would react to Fate saying something along the lines of "Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer enslaving your friend and colleague to doing the same to a vegetative kinslayer. I've got more legroom in this internally screaming husk, you see."

Superman: *looking at the dead Nabu* Was that strictly necessary?

OL: Duuuuude! I gave him every single chance to do the right thing and let Giovanni go. There's an empty husk body right there and ready to go!

Harm's empty body: *drools*

Giovanni: Also, I know that nobody asked me, but YES it was totally necessary and justified. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go change all my internet passwords since Mr. Lord of Order insisted on changing them all the "12345" so the dumb bastard could remember them.

Yog · Jan 11, 2017

Avernus said:
Probably the energy in question was carefully chosen, shaped or warded to be that way. Mr Zoat mentioned a while back that Satanus was aware of OL's ability to assimilate demons and was setting up traps and protections to deal with it.

Hopefully, when OL gives them all the data, including arcanotech research notes, Controllers would be able to do some upgrades for his ring.

Queshire said:
So..... Am I the only one who read that last bit and thought that this would be a good chance to experiment with criminal rehabilitation via soul manipulation? I mean, there's an empty vessel right there, it'd only be the right proper superhero-y thing to try and fill it back up again (and maybe do some adjustments while you're doing so...)

Not just rehabilitation. Emergency life-saving soul-surgery. I mean, Atlantis has records on what happens to people who lose their souls. They die in several days, and they don't die easily. So, yeah, if Harm is to be saved (for interrogation purposes or whatever), he needs John's soul tattoos. Now to see if John has made any design improvements since Paul.

Tranquil Zebra · Jan 11, 2017

Rossum said:
Giovanni: Also, I know that nobody asked me, but YES it was totally necessary and justified. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go change all my internet passwords since Mr. Lord of Order insisted on changing them all the "12345" so the dumb bastard could remember them.

I doubt Nabu is that bad, but I could easily see him/it insisting on arbitrary rules like having a number somewhere not between letters 2-7, a capital letter neither first nor last, and so on. Instead of "Password1" you would then get "1Password", which is harder to write, but just as easy to guess. A very ordered approach to randomness, in other words, instead of just something like "correcthorsebatterystaple".

Krazyfan1 · Jan 11, 2017

stsword said:
Hmm, perhaps I'm misremembering things, but wasn't it supposedly established back in the beginning of this fic that without soul, there shouldn't be life?

Yet Harm is apparently still alive without a soul.

i thought it was more like the body is running on autopilot? like, it can breath....and blood pumps...but thats about it?

Avernus · Jan 11, 2017

Krazyfan1 said:
i thought it was more like the body is running on autopilot? like, it can breath....and blood pumps...but thats about it?

Not quite; here's the quote:

Mr Zoat said:
Apparently, the Atlantian term for someone like me is 'Hollow Man', which I suppose makes a kind of sense. I asked, and apparently people without souls can exist, a sorry state of affairs for those concerned that can be the result of major spell miscasts. The longest any of them are recorded as having survived afterwards is five days, and it's usually less. Until they died they behaved a bit like the zombies from African folklore before Hollywood got to them, listless and bewildered but still biologically alive.

Vaermina · Jan 11, 2017

I can't help but feel that Paul is about to get an eyeful of Hawkwoman.

Marcus.D.Basterd · Jan 11, 2017

Avernus said:
Well, that was a very Orange way of dealing with a human shield.

also a perfect example of why you don't fuck with the White Mage.

Mizu said:
pleased that

stone and float it

bonds of arcane

Human shields kinda fall flat as a protection method when the one attacking you either:
a) doesn't care about killing random civilians
b) can heal them of whatever they hit the poor person with before they expire

Sadly, Harm encountered the second when he went up against OL.

*points at Mizu* this one gets it.

bigreader said:
It can assimilate demons but not magic energy?

...you know. that almost make sense if the demons he assimilated are made out of Orange Light.

Queshire said:
So..... Am I the only one who read that last bit and thought that this would be a good chance to experiment with criminal rehabilitation via soul manipulation? I mean, there's an empty vessel right there, it'd only be the right proper superhero-y thing to try and fill it back up again (and maybe do some adjustments while you're doing so...)

i was thinking the same thing. but that could just be my lack of opinion of souls showing.

Rossum said:
Or see if Paul can stick Fate's helmet on him. After all, Harm was dedicated enough to learn some magic.

...well now i feel like it would be going to waste.

Silveraith said:
That won't work. Zoat stated a long time ago that such an action would result in a "connection not found" message when people questioned what would happen if the SI put the helmet on back when he had no soul.

then stick a fake soul in there. this isn't that hard.

Rossum said:
Soul tattoos? I mean, it would at least be worth a shot to make the offer to give Nabu one last second, third, or fifteenth chance to do the right thing.

*points at Rossum*

Avernus · Jan 11, 2017

Nabu turned down a golem-body; I doubt he'd spring for a Hell-tainted soulless one. He'd even have a point, really; Hell & Demons are great at contamination and corruption, using things that are in any way involved with them seldom turns out well. And Lord of Demonic Order Nabu wouldn't be an improvement over the present version.

Ganurath · Jan 11, 2017

Vaermina said:
I can't help but feel that Paul is about to get an eyeful of Hawkwoman.

You're thinking of a different forum's WTR thread.

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

Wants a pink flamingo for their lawn.

O cursèd spite

Dedicated ragequitter

Not a Cyberman

Strangely Stoic

Abomination

Random Encounter

Dedicated ragequitter

In the Danger Zone

Argent Phantasm

Equid of Peerless Tranquility

Worrying for the future.

Advance toward the Future

Not a Cyberman

Equid of Peerless Tranquility

Worrying for the future.

Abomination

[hopefully a] journeyman rationalist.

Abomination

Literal Enthusiast