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no, Johnny Quick (and later Jessie Quick) got their speed through math. Max got his speed from a Native American shaman, so likely some form of alchemy/potion.

Zoat established that Max Mercury got his powers from a potion a shaman gave him, he made a comment along the lines of "If a shaman can do it, I'm sure a modern lab can do it," which I thought was funny.

Because when it comes to mystic potions, I'd rather go to the shaman than the folks who don't even know they're using alchemy, but whatever.

In the comics I don't believe there was any potion involved, just a mystic ritual. I guess Zoat didn't feel the need to add another way to get superspeed.

Especially since the shaman was busy dying, a magic worker doing a ritual with their last breath just seems less silly than a dying shaman starting a fire, getting out a pot, and making magic soup.



Max Mercury is generally treated as the Jedi Master of Speed, he probably just gave Wally some really helpful advice about upping his speed.
 
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Both of the above, inconsistent dashes (recently ran into this problem myself. Super weird, and I have no idea why it happens.)
I think I'll just leave those. I'm pressing the same button.
Maybe Max told Wally the Johnny Quick Speed Formula?
No, they got that ages ago from Jessie. He couldn't understand it.
 
Not sure if this has been seen yet but Young Justice Season 3 has been approved and has begun production. Curious to see what they do and if Zoat has preempted anything in his season 1.5.

Also, still can't watch the original show anymore with out subconsciously going "Where's OL at?"

*edit* Nevermind, just saw it mentioned on the last page. Apparently I can't read anymore.

So to make this post a little more relevant should OL be giving spell eaters to all heroes old and new in order to keep this from happening? Seems like it would help.
 
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Honestly I don't see much possibility for season 3 to invalidate anything in existing WTR canon anyway.

If they establish ring powers that OL hasn't used yet, well, OL is a rookie still. If they establish that rings can't do something that OL can, well, it's Guardian bobblehead malware, or maybe lack of creativity on the part of the Greenies.

If they assert that something happened offscreen during season 1, and that contradicts WTR, then odds are it got butterflied away. If they assert that something happened that DOESN'T contradict WTR, then OL just wasn't aware of it happening at the time, and he can find it out if it ever becomes relevant.

The only thing that might cause any trouble at all is if they establish setting details that must have always been true, but conflict with WTR. And in that case, Zoat is good enough at rationalization to make that go away anyway.
 
What other incomprehensible mathematical formulas that give superpowers are there? So far there's the Quick Mantra, Anti-Life, and maybe Life. Can't help but wonder what other weird equations ar floating around that give superpowers to anyone appropriate enough to understand them. Clearly this means that by the time of Legion of Superheroes mathematicians will be an ancient and legendary group of god kings.
 
Honestly I don't see much possibility for season 3 to invalidate anything in existing WTR canon anyway.

If they establish ring powers that OL hasn't used yet, well, OL is a rookie still. If they establish that rings can't do something that OL can, well, it's Guardian bobblehead malware, or maybe lack of creativity on the part of the Greenies.

If they assert that something happened offscreen during season 1, and that contradicts WTR, then odds are it got butterflied away. If they assert that something happened that DOESN'T contradict WTR, then OL just wasn't aware of it happening at the time, and he can find it out if it ever becomes relevant.

The only thing that might cause any trouble at all is if they establish setting details that must have always been true, but conflict with WTR. And in that case, Zoat is good enough at rationalization to make that go away anyway.
Or you know, it can just be ignored since the setting only uses YJ canon for the base and is a mashup of multiple (normally unrelated) franchises anyway.
 
Or you know, it can just be ignored since the setting only uses YJ canon for the base and is a mashup of multiple (normally unrelated) franchises anyway.
But the mashup is constrained by what would be consistent with the stuff observed in YJ canon, so that's sort of a cop-out; it's really a last resort if the assertion that WTR is a plausible divergence from the world of the show. If it CAN be reconciled, it probably SHOULD.
 
What other incomprehensible mathematical formulas that give superpowers are there? So far there's the Quick Mantra, Anti-Life, and maybe Life. Can't help but wonder what other weird equations ar floating around that give superpowers to anyone appropriate enough to understand them. Clearly this means that by the time of Legion of Superheroes mathematicians will be an ancient and legendary group of god kings.

Anti-Life, Life (all the colors of the emotional spectrum plus the white light of life), Anti-Death, which suggests a Death Equation as well, but that hasn't been shown.

One of the green lanterns is actually the mathematical proof of willpower. I presume he's a memetic life form.

Blackstarr, the (ethnically) jewish Nazi supervillainess, gained her powers from proving the unified field theory, giving her powers over strong, weak, gravity, and electromagnetic energy.

In the wildstorm portion of the multiverse, Max Faraday becomes basically omnipotent thanks to the Creation Equation (although one might want to make that the same as the Life Equation).

Recently, DC introduced Algorithm 8- a mathematical model to predict the future.

The Calculator, early in his career, had a suit which, after he was defeated by a given opponent, would then be able to perfectly protect the Calculator from that opponent from then on.
 
Honestly I don't see much possibility for season 3 to invalidate anything in existing WTR canon anyway.

If they establish ring powers that OL hasn't used yet, well, OL is a rookie still. If they establish that rings can't do something that OL can, well, it's Guardian bobblehead malware, or maybe lack of creativity on the part of the Greenies.

If they assert that something happened offscreen during season 1, and that contradicts WTR, then odds are it got butterflied away. If they assert that something happened that DOESN'T contradict WTR, then OL just wasn't aware of it happening at the time, and he can find it out if it ever becomes relevant.

The only thing that might cause any trouble at all is if they establish setting details that must have always been true, but conflict with WTR. And in that case, Zoat is good enough at rationalization to make that go away anyway.
Most of the stuff that could diverge from WTR would involve Lantern stuff. Say Greg Weisman really likes the other Lantern Corps but doesn't want Blackest Night to have already happened, and one of the Greenies mention that they're been working with the Indigo Tribe for years, or fighting the Red Lanterns for years. Maybe Sinestro didn't become a yellow Lantern, although that would be a rather large divergence from the comics.
What other incomprehensible mathematical formulas that give superpowers are there? So far there's the Quick Mantra, Anti-Life, and maybe Life. Can't help but wonder what other weird equations ar floating around that give superpowers to anyone appropriate enough to understand them. Clearly this means that by the time of Legion of Superheroes mathematicians will be an ancient and legendary group of god kings.
Well, a power ring isn't required for accessing the emotional lights, just a helpful tool. You can get on the level of the Guardians by being really, really stubborn. Or channeling some other emotion enough.
Should this be "You belong to Agent Orange"?
Turns out, no.
Identity theft in progress. The Praexis shudders for a moment before the orange light converts it, spreading out from its bloated stomach across its entire body. No resistance detected. "Identity theft complete. Nameless Praexis Demon of Hell, you belong to the Orange Lantern Corps."
Side note: Fatty has been in the story for over two thirds of it.
 
Quick question that has nothing to do with the current arc, which chaper had the interview with Mrs Grant? with the whole "magic is real" thing?
 
Wasn't that before he was made Agent Orange in the fiasco with the ring theft and whatnot?
The ring flares for a second. "No resistance detected" Orange light flows from the ring into Lantern Morrow and the obvious damage begins repairing itself. "Doctor Thomas Oscar Morrow of Earth, you belong to Agent Orange."
Huh, you're right. I thought he had become Agent Orange (whatever that means) when he separated from the Ophidian, and it was only announced with the Truggs thing. Guess not.
 
Zigzag (part 20)
5th May
19:50 GMT +4


Wallace checks Mister Garrick's pulse and breathing, but I already know that he's... 'Fine' would be pushing it, but he's physically whole and unlikely to expire immediately. I turn to the Atlanteans. "Tempest, check Flash Senior for lingering influence. Aquagirl, same for Max Mercury."

"Right." Garth jogs over to kneel next to Wallace, his tattoos lighting up. Tula just nods before heading towards Max.

"Well, that went alright." Being mildly burned by holy fire doesn't seem to have overly diminished The Demon Constantine's spirits. "Guess you'll be sendin' me back to Hell now."

"No. That didn't work last time and I'm not inclined to-."

General Kerimov shoulders his way out of his guard huddle and marches in my direction. "You! Lantern! Is this your doing?!"

He's clearly well past his physical prime. I'd guess that he weighs two stone less than me when I'm not wearing the power armour which I'm currently wearing. And yet he's storming up to me in what is very clearly a fighting mood. We've probably missed our chance to get anything useful from him personally as far as this investigation goes. If we can't tie him to the demonic element we'll be relying on Kaldur to get something useful from their offices. Still...

Internal communication only. "Tempest, if you can do it without looking obvious, put a truth compulsion effect on the General, would you? Don't activate it until I say."

His eyes flick up towards my faceplate and he nods. Good man.

I send my armour's helmet section into subspace and smile at our target. "Good evening, General Kerimov."

"Stick your evening up your arse!" His face has reddened, but empathic vision shows that he isn't anything like as angry as he's pretending to be. His gaze slips to the side for a moment. "Why have you got some sort of bondage faggot behind you?"

"I'm afraid that Mister Constantine is under arrest and will be facing some rather serious charges." I'm not seeing anything that would indicate recognition, but.. then I wouldn't, necessarily.

"What, and that's how you treat people you arrest?"

"When arresting supervillains I find that it's generally best to remove anything they could use as a weapon. If he'd had tattoos I would have had to remove his skin."

Cold hard eyes narrow slightly, but I think I see... Approval? "Who is this... Constantine?"

Again, no indication of deceit. My goodness, someone with a possible supernatural connection who hasn't heard of John. I'll have to tell him. "I'm afraid that's a bit complicated, sir. And I'm afraid that I'm going to have to ask you a few questions before-."

"Fuck off. You can talk to my lawyer."

"General, are you fully aware of how the Azerbaijani legal system treats people who may be under the influence of demonic magics?"

"Demonic?" He frowns fiercely, trying to indicate by his posture that he isn't going to let something that trivial stop him getting the result that he wants. "Bah! Nonsense. Some sort of metahuman terrorist. Yes." He nods. "You can-."

"I'm afraid I can't, sir. I have two Atlantean mages with me who will confirm my findings. The standard Azerbaijani reaction to suspected diabolic influence is a month's solitary confinement minimum for each person at risk. Which means you and all of your guests." His pupils dilate slightly, but his expression remains controlled. "Alternatively, if you'll answer a few questions for me, I'll have my Atlantean colleagues check everyone over and report to the local police that they're all clear." He narrows his eyes slightly. "I'm sure that both they and you would find that more convenient."

On the other side of the garden a few guests try edging toward the front gate. Brut interposes himself and very slightly bares his teeth. They stop.

"Mpf. What do you want to know?"

Hm. Max 'Mercury' Crandall doesn't have a secret identity... Well, he used to, but you don't stay active for two hundred years without people noticing a thing or two. I think that these days most people just assume that 'Mercury' is his real surname. I half turn to see Tula helping him into a sitting position. He looks pretty out of it, but he's conscious and at least somewhat aware of his surroundings. And he's physically Human. A lot of possession victims don't get all of those things back.

"When did you first meet that man?"

Fairly innocuous question to begin. He certainly can't deny that they know each other. Whatever answer he gives, I'll have to check it. Doubt that Mister Crandall will be able to remember with any certainty.

"Mercury? A few months ago. He wanted me to find him work."

"Is that sort of thing a frequent occurrence?"

"People will pay a lot for metahuman security. Usually I just deal with kids who can make a few sparks, but someone who fought the Nazis? He could name his price. That was why I invited him here."

Hmm. I don't know what Mister Crandall's financial situation is like. His preferred way of life doesn't lend itself to building up a financial reserve. Or investments, given what inflation's been like for the past half century. It's not impossible that he'd genuinely have been interested in a job.

I make eye contact with Garth once more. "And what did you hope to get out of it?"

The great thing about most truth compulsion effects is that you often don't realise that what you're going to say is 'off' until after the words leave your mouth.

"I wanted to reverse engineer super speed and use it to create a generation of Soviet super soldiers, like that fuck who runs the Russian super power program is too cowardly to do."

"Do you have any sources other than Max Mercury?"

"Not ones that are worth a damn." He stops, looking perfectly content with his answer. Then the faintest trace of a frown appears, closely followed by the oh fuck, what did I just say?

"And the Demons?"

"You can't trust them to do anything. You-." He actually grabs hold of his own mouth to stop himself talking, glaring at me ferociously for a moment before turning and stalking away.

Hm. Suspicious, but if he already had Mister Crandall's willing participation...

Garth gets up and walks towards me. Mister Garrick is still out of it, but it looks like he's clear. "Was that helpful?"

"I'm not sure. Oh, The Demon Constantine had some sort of ritual going in the basement. I think I disrupted it, but take Aquagirl with you and go and make sure that it's shut down properly."

He nods and heads towards his girlfriend. I attach filaments to the senior speedsters and float them off the ground and towards me. I can get Canis to boom tube them to the mountain's medical bay in a few minutes.

Wallace follows Mister Garrick's recumbent body. "They gunna be okay?"

"Can't say for sure. The possession was brief, we've got magic users available to check on them... So, hopefully." He nods, slightly reassured. "Couldn't help but notice that you seemed faster there..?"

"Jay always said that he was faster than Max, but Max always had more tricks. One of those is how to... Kinda... Borrow speed from other super fast guys."

"And you just.. picked it up?"

"I've been doin' a lot of research into this stuff. I guess I already kinda knew how it should work. And I still wasn't as fast as the Flash. Ah, the current one. But it was just enough to let me keep up with Jay." He opens his arm pouch and fishes out a nutrient bar and a healing potion. "Hasn't done anything for my eating habits, but..." He nods to himself. "Probably worth looking into. Once Max is back on his feet."
 
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"I've been doin' a lot of research into this stuff. I guess I already kinda knew how it should work. And I still wasn't as fast as the Flash. Ah, the current one. But it was just enough to let me keep up with Jay." He opens his arm pouch and fishes out a nutrient bar and a healing potion. "Hasn't done anything for my eating habits, but..." He nods to himself. "Probably worth looking into. Once Max is back on his feet."
Nice to see him branching out.
 
Sending the Demon Constantine back to Hell won't work, since he got out so easily. Keeping him captive with other methods is only a short-term solution, since he's a Constantine. Only real solution is to destroy him.
 
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