Counterpoint: Succubus lady(Chantelle, I think?), who actually fell in love with an angel.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Whether Demon Constantine can be redeemed or not, and I genuinely don't know, this just became personal for him.
Paul just pissed off a Constantine and made him personally hate him. That's not a good thing.
Paul just pissed off a Constantine and made him personally hate him. That's not a good thing.
And is now mainlining the Light of Love, IIRC, yes, but that kind of thing is supposed to be vanishingly rare and impossible to force.
Please tell me the idiot didn't ally himself with Trigon?
Possible but that kind of demonic features is not Trigon-specific, I'd say they are pretty common. If anything, horns growing straight from the forehead, Hellboy style (and not, like, from the temples) are more characteristic of Blaze and Satanus.
Let's wait for extra eyes to show up before we jump to conclusions.
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The "I'm not going to pretend demons aren't people to justify my actions" was nice, but Paul lost points with even trying to use "besides, you "chose" to become a demon rather than just stay as a damned soul in hell" as any kind of a moral argument.
When somebody is already created a bad person and then thrown into a pretty much the most horrible formative enviroment there is, then it's in quite bad taste to talk about them in the context of any moral agency or culpability. I personally hold Constantine, and those who forced him into the position where creating the Demon seemed like the only way out in the first place, responsible for all the resulting actions.
That does not mean that someone as dangerous as Demon Constantine won't have to be put down for the safety of others though, but that's just something that needs to be done, not something to be celebrated.
When somebody is already created a bad person and then thrown into a pretty much the most horrible formative enviroment there is, then it's in quite bad taste to talk about them in the context of any moral agency or culpability. I personally hold Constantine, and those who forced him into the position where creating the Demon seemed like the only way out in the first place, responsible for all the resulting actions.
That does not mean that someone as dangerous as Demon Constantine won't have to be put down for the safety of others though, but that's just something that needs to be done, not something to be celebrated.
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Yes, but that wasn't a catalyst to any particular behavioural change on her part. She still enjoyed tormenting the damned and listening to their screams, she just put Tali on a 'don't want to torture' list. Experiencing love didn't make her any more empathic.
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Then she was in the same place as where Demon Constantine is right now. Why'd OL give her superpowers?
I'm actually on board with his treatment of the Demon Constantine, albeit for more pragmatic reasons: the best way to manage people with that kind of reputation for fucking over their enemies is to fuck them over immediately and thoroughly, without any wiggle room for them to possibly work with. Trying to put a moral spin on things seems unnecessary when OL could just go "It's a fucking Constantine, they routinely use mercy and laxity from their enemies as impromptu shivs."
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Because the SI only has a couple of ways to transform him and The Demon doesn't feel love strongly enough to use the Star Sapphire. As the SI noted, he hasn't been back in touch with Kit. If he had, the SI may not have been quite so aggressive.
The Chantinelle who came out of that crystal was a very different creature to the one who went it. It could reasonably be argued that the process destroyed her and created a new person with her memories.
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So just how much power does it take to subspace/retrieve binding chains that even with 200% reserves he considers it worrying?
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Personally, I'm hoping to see this in the next update:
Followed by seeing the look on John's face when he finds out Paul assimilated his doppelganger.
Followed by seeing the look on John's face when he finds out Paul assimilated his doppelganger.
Besides if ANYONE could take advantage of being assimilated for their own benefit and to the detriment of OL it would be a Constantine.
You knwo those harry potter fics where they assume Verisitum allows them to be 'selectivily truthful' and then use being dosed to give the otehr wizards a compeltley wrong impression/assumption? imagine that cliche taken up to 11 and you have a good idea why one should be wary about enslaving Constantine that way.
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it could be a mind screw.
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Eh, better than have it running around, and he has great company with the praexis demons.
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Noticed this in the quotes above: You didn't capitalize "Cats" or "Cat". I'm not bringing this up as a correction because you didn't capitalize "guard dog" a couple chapters ago, so really I'm wondering more what determines when a species name does or does not get capitalized.
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I come back after some internet trouble and four updates, man.
Anyway, now I'm wondering if the female speedster got taken to be some demon's host, although why her specifically, two obvious reasons come to mind-
1) The possessing entity identifies as female and won't accept another host, although that suggests a powerful demoness, since otherwise Satanus would presumably just assign a more cooperative underling to the job. I wonder if Blaze and Satanus are currently cooperating or fighting like cats and dogs....
Blaze with superspeed would be bad news, considering she once took over Hell in the comics she'd probably make Sabbac look like a cranky toddler. Or so I would assume, Etrigan is just a rhymer, despite usually being able to go toe to toe with the likes of Superman or Wonder Woman. My natural assumption is that Hell is a meritocracy along the lines of "If you can rip your boss's face off and wear it as a hat, you deserve that promotion."
2) Infernal breeding program. There was a comic book in which Superman was hypnotised into marrying Silver Banshee- Hell wanted a passel of half kryptonian/half banshee kids to storm Heaven like Macy's on Black Friday. So perhaps Hell wants some literal speed demons. Swamp Thing's daughter is a flesh elemental because of Constantine's demonic blood, so it's not like that sort of thing would be unprecedented.
Anyway, now I'm wondering if the female speedster got taken to be some demon's host, although why her specifically, two obvious reasons come to mind-
1) The possessing entity identifies as female and won't accept another host, although that suggests a powerful demoness, since otherwise Satanus would presumably just assign a more cooperative underling to the job. I wonder if Blaze and Satanus are currently cooperating or fighting like cats and dogs....
Blaze with superspeed would be bad news, considering she once took over Hell in the comics she'd probably make Sabbac look like a cranky toddler. Or so I would assume, Etrigan is just a rhymer, despite usually being able to go toe to toe with the likes of Superman or Wonder Woman. My natural assumption is that Hell is a meritocracy along the lines of "If you can rip your boss's face off and wear it as a hat, you deserve that promotion."
2) Infernal breeding program. There was a comic book in which Superman was hypnotised into marrying Silver Banshee- Hell wanted a passel of half kryptonian/half banshee kids to storm Heaven like Macy's on Black Friday. So perhaps Hell wants some literal speed demons. Swamp Thing's daughter is a flesh elemental because of Constantine's demonic blood, so it's not like that sort of thing would be unprecedented.
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Whether I remember or not.
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I don't think that anyone who can even pretend to be sane would want to have a demonic John Constantine living in their power ring.
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Isn't there a tool that would block the light it emits?
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Hell, associating with Constantine stretches the concept of sanity.
In the comics, Jason Blood lives in Gotham and he's supposedly the foremost expert on the occult in the world, he's the guy Batman goes to for help with mystical matters, and Batman generally has the likes of Dr Fate on speed dial.
If any of that is remotely close to being true in this setting, then I could see the following conversation- 'So between going to the guy who can take the carpool lane thanks to demonic possession or John Constantine for help, you went with Constantine? Really? REALLY?"
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People take the "Constantine" is hard to deal with it a bit too far, if he's assimilated he's just fucked and that's it, he can't mess with OL if he can't even want to mess with OL.
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So...I guess you could say that Max Mercury is now... a speed demon? 
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...how does he breathe?
Thought? It sounds off as is, but I'm not sure if the first word is specifically what's wrong.
Gravy hasn't demonstrated the ability to completely overwrite a person's personality, and given that the Demon Constantine is a magical being he would probably resist any direct influences on his soul.
And as said above, it would basically just make a completely new person that has a few of the original's memories. At that point, it's probably just better to kill them.
That very well may happen, although branding first would get the information he needs faster, and make assimilation easier. But OL does have some moral hangups about assimilating sentient beings, even if they are irredeemable (I assume that all the other times he uses assimilation is just as a distraction).
Also, I asked about this a few weeks ago. Zoat responded in email:
(I assume this is alright to post, but if it isn't I'll take it down)
Question: If a Construct-Lantern is stored in the ring, is it mandatory that the Construct-Lantern's memories are integrated into the Lantern's? I get why he doesn't store Teekl or Morrow in the ring regularly, as it eliminates whatever individuality they have left, but I don't see him having too much problem in storing The Demon Constantine in the ring. The memories would be a problem though.
Klarion was fighting Nabu at the time, and OL was being pretty slippery.
I doubt that OL will leave him in a state able to fight back, ever. He's familiar with the regular Constantine, so he's not going to do something dumb like let this one go on good behavior.
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The power armour has air-scrubbing capabilities and everything inside the outer layer of the armour was included in the phase.
Thank you, corrected.
If they're irredeemable then it's more a concern about the practical aspects of the fallout.
No problem.
So Boss Smiley didn't join the Light during your playthrough?
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