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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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"Nabu's... Kind of dead. Any anyway, Uncle Drax, I thought you were stuck in that pocket Universe after Father failed to kill you?"
No, he hasn't. He has his own soul, based partly on the data Father Box has on the layout of Grayven's soul.
Yes.
Oh, in other news, I know what the next episode will be about. Lots of Kid Flash time. And the Renegade shows his friends all the children he has locked in his basement!
Oh, and... Probably some Richard too.
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Close enough for government work.
These names seem familiar.
As the Supernatural is starting to be taken more seriously, I can see specializations popping up to deal with such issues!
Someone like Ken Green, a lawyer for the wrongfully damned!
Or maybe a psychiatrist for the many powers and principalities that roam the world! Dr. Linda Martin anyone?
(I'm aware the show is VASTLY different from the comic, but I find Linda to be a GREAT character!)
Someone like Ken Green, a lawyer for the wrongfully damned!
Or maybe a psychiatrist for the many powers and principalities that roam the world! Dr. Linda Martin anyone?
(I'm aware the show is VASTLY different from the comic, but I find Linda to be a GREAT character!)
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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He's an alternate Paul who fraudulently/accidentally gained a copy of Grayven's soul and a title Grayven could have earned. There were some issues with this turning him into Grayven before, but Paulven's struggle against Anti-Life reminded him of who he really is.
Right, but I'm talking from an in character perspective. He presents as Grayven. Everyone thinks of him as Grayven. Unless he doesn't something like flat out admitting to being alterna-Paul, the connection isn't going to be made.
GhostKing 666
Bringing Nightmares to life evey minute
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to be fair, a lord of chaos is the kind of thing that killing would realistically have unforeseen knock on effects. Both due to chaos being weird, and because chaos high command (as much as it can be said to have one) is likely to want to replace any lost agents.
Like shooting a KGB agent in the cold war, they are likely to just send another.
Well, that brings us right back to one of Grayven's comparative weaknesses versus OL: His far worse network of alliances and relations. OL probably could do that; he did with the Queen of Fables. Grayven on the other hand quite likely doesn't even know how to get there, much less have a way to get permission from Hades to do so.
If killing a chaos lord can open the way for a worse chaos lord, couldn't it also open the way for a better one? Why would the replacement necessarily be worse? It's like saying that getting rid of the President means you'll have a worse President.
(And as I said, you could, as a writer, write a similar scenario for imprisonment. Maybe just imprisoning a chaos lord opens the way for a worse one, and then it'll be even worse if the first one ever escapes jail and you have two.)
(And as I said, you could, as a writer, write a similar scenario for imprisonment. Maybe just imprisoning a chaos lord opens the way for a worse one, and then it'll be even worse if the first one ever escapes jail and you have two.)
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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It could. In this case...it opened the door for one of the bad ones.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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- definitely the ground
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- They/Them/It
There's a reason a lot of people want Pavlos to have John Constantine ready with an ascension ritual when he takes out his own Klarion (I don't think even Tartarus can hold him). John isn't exactly a... safe choice, but a Lord of Chaos that's safe to have around is a contradiction in terms, and the worst Constantine Planstm happen because of desperation, not malice.
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Huh. No, I thought it was Nathaniel C. Adam, Nathaniel C. Adam, or Nathaniel C. Adam. Did not realize that Earth-16 spelled his name differently.
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People tend to forget that Hades (in actual myth not the Disney version) was very dutiful as gods go and far more so than Zeus. Given good reason he could undoubtedly hold a LoC for several lifetimes. He'd get out eventually but it would be a hell of a wait.
Also it's important to remember that the Christian hell is pretty egalitarian; your their for punishment and that's it. They don't take it personally.
The Greek gods on the other hand got personal and they got MEAN. I seriously doubt klarion would appreciate a stay there.
I suspect it's not that he's more powerful it's that he's focused in a way the klarion could never dream of. How many times did his childish nature bite him in the ass?
Also it's important to remember that the Christian hell is pretty egalitarian; your their for punishment and that's it. They don't take it personally.
The Greek gods on the other hand got personal and they got MEAN. I seriously doubt klarion would appreciate a stay there.
I suspect it's not that he's more powerful it's that he's focused in a way the klarion could never dream of. How many times did his childish nature bite him in the ass?
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The_Letter_K
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I'm hoping for a mind swap, personally. It might be tedious, if done poorly, but it could also echo nicely back to the very start of the story, showing how the character (Characters? AU stuff gets weird, grammatically.) have developed by dropping them into another alternate dimension where it's probably wiser to avoid explaining what's happened and see how their reactions to that situation have changed.
For it to be really satisfying though, it'd need to be a two-parter or maybe even a three-parter. I think the episodes are too short to properly explore it otherwise, and that's kind of a major undertaking for what's essentially a gag episode.
Unless Zoat used that to change things in a way each respective Paul would not have, and so accomplished things with the main universe that couldn't have otherwise occurred.
...Maybe Grayven could finally get Paul a steady girlfriend. Lord knows evil clones is about the only thing that hasn't been tried yet.
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What does having assimilated Teelk have to do with it?
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Cuts him off from his full chaotic power. Since he's leaching magic from Bedlam his whole metaphysique system is working differently.
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
Maybe not instantly, but if paragon Paul were to wind up in renegade's universe, and he accidentally let it slip that he, an alternate version of "Grayven" started off in the exact same position as "Grayven" did and as the same exact person but things took a different path, and he denies being a New God or from either Apokolips or New Genesis, then it's going to plant the seeds of doubt in some people. It may not amount to much, or it might wind up unraveling his entire web of lies. It could go either way really.
On the other hand, I more want to see Grayven and Paul together in the same universe but in Paul's universe. Because what I want most revealed is for Paul's friends to find out he's only pretending to be seventeen, and he's actually in his thirties.
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Ah, so since he's not Chaos powered Eris can't do her thing (though someone else could still stick him in Tartarus I assume).
Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
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- The cesspool of New York and Loving it!
Could someone explain how Teekl worked as Klarion's connection to the plane of chaos and if the Plane of Chaos is in anyway connected to the Khaos under Tartarus because no one seems worried about a Lord of Chaos being placed on the door step to Khaos.
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Olympians -at least some of them- are very powerful because they are continually draining thematically appropriate Titans who are imprisoned in Tartarus. If the SI had found a way to stick Klarion in there they could have hooked him up to Eris. He wouldn't have had enough power to do anything ever and she'd have become a top tier god.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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Teekl wasn't his connection to chaos. It was his connection EARTH.
Without Teekl, he was supposed to be pulled back to his power source until he could find a new anchor. Instead, he cut himself off and started using Bedlam.
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Not really, unlike Klarion he isn't a mass murderer, and he has been defeated and exiled before.
Klarion was an extremist, doing way more harm worldwide than any other Lord of Chaos before.
At least his replacement plays the game, instead of just wanting to cause the world to burn because it amuses him.
And really, even Nabu agreed with Klarion being killed, not because Klarion was a lord of chaos but because he went so far away with chaos that even other Chaos Lords despise him.
Is like if Nabu turned the whole Earth into a police state and basicaly did what the Justice Lords did.
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Why don't the titans drain out eventually? How do they recharge, so to speak?
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