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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Isn't OL's name an instant knockout as well? I would think that it'll be front and center as a way to deal with enemy telepaths since the first hand demonstration earlier.
 
drasteed said:
Isn't OL's name an instant knockout as well? I would think that it'll be front and center as a way to deal with enemy telepaths since the first hand demonstration earlier.
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I'm pretty sure if the ebil wizard senses them going offline at the same time he'd summon all of them immediately.

Or, would he be knocked out as well..?
 
Gonna be honest...it seems like poking the psychopath is a really, really bad fucking idea.

The hell is wrong with that girl.
 
shepsquared said:
I feel like everyone blaming J'onn's daughter for this being a bit off. She probably didn't realise being around him would turn him back to normal
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Uh...

Mr Zoat said:
And apparently that was enough to… No, it's not that, is it? You stupid whore, you actually put it back in my head. You were the one giving me the bad dreams. I raped and murdered your mother in front of you and you actually did the one thing that might undo my telepathic neutering. Thank you.
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She did it on purpose, dude.

Either so she could have an excuse to kill him physically or like @Hutti's idea. Wanting to him to suffer.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Learn to British.

Thank you, corrected.

A few reasons, not all of them particularly sensible. She was the only Martian who'd felt his mind while he was rampaging, as he'd kept his mental shields firmly in place before that. She was already infiltrating the White movement and so could (in disguise) get to his zoo without it being suspicious or (given the distances involved) painful. And it was hoped that contact with new Ma'alefa'ak would help her accept that the old one was gone.
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Who the fuck was in charge of THAT Brilliant line of logic? Martian Dumbledore?
 
I am the only one that feels like the SI has suffered a severe drop in efficiency recently, but most notably on mars? His constructs keep being dismissed, branding is basically useless, and basically no other tricks or tools showing up at all? Is he just trying to keep himself non-lethal to an extreme, or is there something I have missed?
 
Masked Thespian said:
In these two parts you switch pronouns so often that I actually have no clue whether it's supposed to be a male or a female that the SI's fighting right now.
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Originally I have Tronix keep her original comic gender. Then I realised that she'd be in beasty White form here and the SI couldn't know whether Tronix was male or female. Looks like I missed a 'she' though.
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Thank you, corrected.
Jack Stargazer said:
Why didn't he combo the Brand on the Martian Mage with a flamethrower to break his will? That should have led to a near-instant branding.
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Several points there. Firstly, the SI hasn't yet encountered a Martian mage. He believes that the Hyperclan have been enhanced by magic and that someone who is a magic user is keeping an eye on them. He hasn't seen them use magic in a creative way. Secondly, air on the surface of Mars is ninety five percent carbon dioxide. The SI would have to introduce all parts of the fire triangle to make a fire and it would go out the moment he stopped. Also, that would have at least as severe effect on M'gann as it had on the others and she's currently their telepathic defence. Third, he doesn't know whether Hyperclan members are effected by fire.
Hell, why hasn't he been using fire regularly? He's good at telepathically projecting, he could be countering Ma'al's pain sending with a feeling of being burnt alive.
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He's not good compared to actual telepaths. He also knows that while Ma'alefa'ak dreamed, he wasn't affected by Rötschreck. It's entirely possible that he isn't affected at all now. Furthermore, he is trained not to set people on fire.
 
On a reread, it's not all that hard to follow. Fluxus only has the two lines complaining about Teekl and asking Ma'al to join Hyperclan, the rest of the dialogue is Ma'al, M'gann, Kon, OL, and K'hym. I'm not sure why specifically K'hym gave him his memories back, but it didn't seem to be explained in this update.
Mr Zoat said:
He also knows that while Ma'alefa'ak dreamed, he wasn't affected by Rötschreck.
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Fear of fire, so everyone else doesn't have to look it up.
Mr Zoat said:
The SI would have to introduce all parts of the fire triangle to make a fire and it would go out the moment he stopped.
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He could have made a hologram of fire, with a projector he keeps in subspace, but the other downsides still apply.
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Curious. Is he familiar with this type of Demon or it that just standard training?
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Or is that
 
Skelethin said:
I am the only one that feels like the SI has suffered a severe drop in efficiency recently, but most notably on mars? His constructs keep being dismissed, branding is basically useless, and basically no other tricks or tools showing up at all? Is he just trying to keep himself non-lethal to an extreme, or is there something I have missed?
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I feel like it's because it's not his usual level of combat? I mean, yes, I agree with you, but not to the full level you feel.

Theme Villians might be silly, but at least you know who's the bad guy, and you have a dossier on what level of force they're going to bring to the table.

These guys are terrorists, and the problem with terrorists besides how they attack and who they hurt is the fact that they melt in and out of the general population. There's a reason why there's laws against that sort of shit (thought it might be geneva convention, but my google-fu is a bit weak today), and that's because suddenly one side doesn't know who to shoot, and it tends towards making all civilians acceptable targets.

Add in that he's basically cut off from his usual CCC, and group communication, he's going ??? what, what? Maybe we can talk things out? Oh shi-- hey wait? ?_?
 
crepusculum said:
Do Martians not believe in capital punishment? A serial rapist/killer stronger then most of your law enforcers is a rather bad thing to leave as an evil sealed in a can. Especially when you leave the child of one of his victims as his guard and she decides to bring him back so she can try and fail to off him. Since the nice guy was too nice to kill, she brought back the the Martian Hannibal Lector.
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... he was caught but the government wiped his mind and sealed his telepathy and made him do community service shoveling the poop of vicious endangered animals rather then you know, killing him.
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That's the thing, though. They do functionally believe in capital punishment, if outright personality death is on the table. They annihilate one individual and create a new one, rather than attempt rehabilitation. Now, maybe Uncle Mal was too out there for rehabilitation to work, and stomping him out completely was the only way to neutralize the threat. But then they turned around and crippled the new individual they put in his meatsuit, cutting him off from Martian society in a manner known to cause psychological problems in the long run and put him to work for a crime he (the new Uncle Mal) didn't commit. It's like if you killed a criminal, cloned him, and put the clone under house arrest for life for the crimes committed by the original. They tried to have their cake and eat it too, and now it's blowing up in their faces.
 
HanEmpire said:
So the non-telepath in a telepathic society turns out to be a psychopath, completely lacking empathy. Makes sense.
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From the sounds of it, he WASN'T non-telepathic. He got cut off telepathically by the Reds. Not sure who the probation officer was, surely not the daughter of the victim, right?

Edit: Looks like it was. Wow that's thick.

I mean, Witness as probation officer is bad enough, but "witness who is also daughter of victim" is so much worse.
 
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NemiTheNen said:
I feel like it's because it's not his usual level of combat? I mean, yes, I agree with you, but not to the full level you feel.

Theme Villians might be silly, but at least you know who's the bad guy, and you have a dossier on what level of force they're going to bring to the table.

These guys are terrorists, and the problem with terrorists besides how they attack and who they hurt is the fact that they melt in and out of the general population. There's a reason why there's laws against that sort of shit (thought it might be geneva convention, but my google-fu is a bit weak today), and that's because suddenly one side doesn't know who to shoot, and it tends towards making all civilians acceptable targets.

Add in that he's basically cut off from his usual CCC, and group communication, he's going ??? what, what? Maybe we can talk things out? Oh shi-- hey wait? ?_?
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Yeah. SUDDENLY _____ tends to be vastly more effective, even if you vaguely know its coming. It's why Horror games use Jump Scares. When you don't know it's coming, you start off on the wrong mental foot, and it can take a long time to get back to the right one. With the power rings being guided by mental effort, it's probably even worse - he isn't in the right mindset, is feeling a little bit of shock, and hasn't hyped himself into the right frame of mind to fully bring his want into focus. "huh" isn't a good mental strategy, even if he intellectually knows what he needs to do next.
 
Skelethin said:
I am the only one that feels like the SI has suffered a severe drop in efficiency recently, but most notably on mars? His constructs keep being dismissed, branding is basically useless, and basically no other tricks or tools showing up at all? Is he just trying to keep himself non-lethal to an extreme, or is there something I have missed?
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Even with the Guardian Nerf, Martians are brokenly Powerful; The Burning were able to Kill Guardians; y'know, those little Blue Guys who casually throw down with Gods and win?
Modern Martians aren't quite that Hax, but even so, there's a reason why Black Lantern J'onn was wailing "I'm as fast as the Flash! I'm Stronger than Superman! Why doesn't anyone ever remember that?!" as his Ring Puppetted him into massacring the people who forgot those very things.
 
It just reminded me of Death Note, you know? Guy loses his memories of being an evil bastard, goes through all sorts of life experience and character development. Asks himself the same questions, goes down the same road, decides to choose a higher path and become a better person, but the very second, nay, the very instant they get their memories back... boom; instant evil laughter. It's just depressing.
 
ok. going to be blunt.
"WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO LET THAT {EXPLETIVE TRANSLATE ERROR} PSYCHOPATH LIVE INSTEAD OF {ERROR} executing him when he was arrested? >.>"
see, its this kind of gross stupidity that proves that renegade DOES, in at least a few areas, have a VERY valid point >.>
 
Goddamn. That was just plain horrific. Man, every bit of that reveal was sickening. I really hope Paul, M'Gaan, and Kon can get through this without needing therapy again. Or a certain giant snake chick.

Because things are getting really crazy, plot speaking.

And now I'm curious about Earth as well. If things aren't just as crazy down there, I'll eat my food.

Yes eat my food. I wouldn't put it past Zoat to have the weirdest thing happening on Earth be the intro of a new hero or something.
 
Gantradies said:
ok. going to be blunt.
"WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO LET THAT {EXPLETIVE TRANSLATE ERROR} PSYCHOPATH LIVE INSTEAD OF {ERROR} executing him when he was arrested? >.>"
see, its this kind of gross stupidity that proves that renegade DOES, in at least a few areas, have a VERY valid point >.>
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Bluntly speaking, they did execute him. He was only alive in the sense that his physical body survived and now had a new occupant.

It's not their fault that someone was carrying around a back up mindstate of the guy and apparently decided to plug it back in.
 
Angelform said:
This is really starting to reach 'blithering idiot' levels of repetition. How many times must he be curbstomped by telepaths before he stops opening his brain for them?

Nice to know that Martian society isn't squeamish about dealing with insane monsters. Although their oversight and monitoring procedures could do with some improvement.

Indeed. It is hardly the fault of the Martian justice system that they live in DC and that death becomes rather more negotiable when the main characters come to visit.
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they ARE squeamish.
THEY LET HIM LIVE >.>
 
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