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What you're proposing is that he do things that haven't been properly researched or tested. What he should, perhaps, be doing is trying to get those sorts of enhancements researched and tested. What he shouldn't do, given his current priorities, is test them on himself.
How would anyone be able to research or test it? He could probably use it on a couple on a couple of chimpanzee or something, but don't know how ethical I'd consider that. I mention he should ask some professionals their opinion. But the testing can be done with simulations thanks to the ring.
OL has already enhanced his body up to the known peak of human condition.
Peak human is pretty damn weak and fragile though.
He's choosing not to take risks WITH HIS OWN BODY. He likes being alive, and he likes being healthy, and he likes knowing what's going on.
Pfff, we're literally talking about the guy who turned off his testosterone on a whim cause he didn't want his sexual urges to affect him, a noble thought, but had he done any research he'd have realized the disastrous physical and mental effects from such an action. Did he not have the ring to keep things in order he would have lived a rather short life as his body and mind quickly deteriorated thanks to missing a vital hormone, thankfully for him he doesn't go long without it and he we got dense shonen protagonist effect instead.
He's also been GRADUALLY introducing incremental improvements to his body over what simple peak human condition grants.
I remember him talking about that for his brain, but when did he mention for his body?
It's not irrational or shortsighted to be cautious about things like this, especially if you're a superhero that could have to jump into active duty at a moment's notice and can't really afford downtime because "oops, I don't know how my new body works yet." Robin and Artemis both used power limiters for that specific reason.
The only moments where such upgrades would be relevant is when he's ringless, it hasn't happened often so he'd have plenty of time to practice. Plus the increase to capabilities wouldn't even come close to putting him in the strength range of Dannered person.
As for running simulations: Simulations are only as good as your knowledge. OL knows that he has unknowns. He even knows that he doesn't know what all of them are. And OL has categorically stated in no uncertain terms that a simulation of sufficient accuracy is too close to creating sentient life for his own comfort.
Just like OL doesn't need any knowledge of biology or chemistry to make his perfect the second he gains the ring, he doesn't need to actually understand deeper mechanics behind the kind of upgrades he could receive, the ring would be doing all the heavy on that front as it usually does. If it was the simulation of a whole brain, we're talking about body enhancements that would exclude the brain.
You DO realize that you are opening an entirely new threat surface for your enemies to attack you through?
At a time when you are NOT a trained telepath?
Base human are vulnerable to telepathic attacks, the cap gives you the tools to defend and attack on that front though.
OL's ring still can't tell how animals he purged of Danner/Garrick formula spontaneously regenerate it, and you expect him to rely on said ring's veracity for a permanent upgrade of his body without animal/human testing?
The ring is useless when it comes to magic so that hardly counts.
Simulations =/=Reality.
There is always something you miss, some environmental factor you failed to account for.
At our level of technology we're able to predict how some mechanical tools will work quite well with simulations. The ring is eons ahead of that, it not being able to predict what the effects of mundane biology and cybernetics would be very silly. The thing is able to create a sapient construct brain, the level of difficulty isn't even close.
 
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Here's one for you, In the Grayven bits about the school you have him mention that apokolips doesn't use telepathy. Didn't renegade's queen bee get an apokoliptian telepathic weapon in the chapter where she was mind controlling the president of a neighboring country?
 
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Base human are vulnerable to telepathic attacks, the cap gives you the tools to defend and attack on that front though.
Base humans have a level of passive immunity that telepaths do not share; attacking a base human without LoS or prohibitive levels of power is not a common experience.
Not so for telepaths, as Miss Martian will attest.
It stands to reason that opening the bandwith necessary to use active telepathy without being a telepath leaves you vulnerable to actual trained telepaths with greater skill.

Look at what Psimon did to the Team when they were in a mind-link with Miss Martian.
Opening your mind can be a fucking dangerous thing; that's why Grayvy avoids it whenever possible.
The ring is useless when it comes to magic so that hardly counts.
Exactamundo.
Humans are not entirely physical creatures on Earth-16, as demonstrated by the existence of souls.
If your ring cannot detect or measure a fundamental property of Earth-16 humanity like their arcane presence, how accurate are your simulations?

At our level of technology we're able to predict how some mechanical tools will work quite well with simulations. The ring is eons ahead of that, it not being able to predict what the effects of mundane biology and cybernetics would be very silly. The thing is able to create a sapient construct brain, the level of difficulty isn't even close.
See above.
You are talking about integrating schizotech and superhuman mutations into an existing arcane framework without actual field tests.
In a human body that is already non-standard due to the fact that it has a retro-fitted soul, shares some sort of arcane presence with the Embodiment of Avarice, AND has anti-scrying tattoos carved into his very soul.

Terrible idea.

Furthermore, this is Earth, where schizotech sometimes does shit that makes Lanterns go "what?"
There is a reason why OL was able to trade tech to Jack Chance.

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Hell, let's look at the Thinking Cap that was being touted up-thread as a safe technology, and it's original user The Thinker
In recent years, however, DeVoe accepted a mission with the Suicide Squad in exchange for a full pardon. Although he was seemingly killed by the Weasel during this mission, he survived and made his way to Keystone City. He reformed, dedicated his life to good works, even becoming friends with his former nemesis Jay Garrick. However, he developed terminal cancer, apparently connected to the Thinking-Cap. Garrick, attempted to save him with the Thinking Cap, but DeVoe refused, preferring to rest in peace. His last words, to Garrick, were "Learn to lose every once in a while. A little humility prepares you for what lies ahead."
Clifford DeVoe (New Earth)
Turns out that even technology can fuck you over decades in the future.
Schizotech is not necessarily safe.
 
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Here's one for you, In the Grayven bits about the school you have him mention that apokolips doesn't use telepathy. Didn't renegade's queen bee get an apokoliptian telepathic weapon in the chapter where she was mind controlling the president of a neighboring country?
Yes, yes they did...

But remember Grayven has holes in his memory so big you could drive a Mac Truck through due to the multiple things which have messed with his head. So he likely gets his fanon confused with his canon when utilizing meta-knowledge to make proclamations about things. :lol
 
Yes, yes they did...

But remember Grayven has holes in his memory so big you could drive a Mac Truck through due to the multiple things which have messed with his head. So he likely gets his fanon confused with his canon when utilizing meta-knowledge to make proclamations about things.

He has Father box, a living database who has actually lived on Apokolips.
 
Base humans have a level of passive immunity that telepaths do not share; attacking a base human without LoS or prohibitive levels of power is not a common experience.
Not so for telepaths, as Miss Martian will attest.
It stands to reason that opening the bandwith necessary to use active telepathy without being a telepath leaves you vulnerable to actual trained telepaths with greater skill.
Citation for that? I don't remember it being the case.
Look at what Psimon did to the Team when they were in a mind-link with Miss Martian.
Opening your mind can be a fucking dangerous thing; that's why Grayvy avoids it whenever possible.
Pretty sure he could have done it to them regardless, them being linked to MM did allow him to directly get to them through her though.
Exactamundo.
Humans are not entirely physical creatures on Earth-16, as demonstrated by the existence of souls.
If your ring cannot detect or measure a fundamental property of Earth-16 humanity like their arcane presence, how accurate are your simulations?
Most everyone in the universe has a soul though IIRC, so if magics was that big an issue science wouldn't really apply. Zoat even said something along the lines of earth prime humans being the same as earth 16 ones biology wise. So if the soul effect was so dramatic science wouldn't really work the same on earth for the more mundane stuff that we share.
See above.
You are talking about integrating schizotech and superhuman mutations into an existing arcane framework without actual field tests.
In a human body that is already non-standard due to the fact that it has a retro-fitted soul, shares some sort of arcane presence with the Embodiment of Avarice, AND has anti-scrying tattoos carved into his very soul.

Terrible idea.

Furthermore, this is Earth, where schizotech sometimes does shit that makes Lanterns go "what?"
There is a reason why OL was able to trade tech to Jack Chance.

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Hell, let's look at the Thinking Cap that was being touted up-thread as a safe technology, and it's original user The Thinker
My argument wasn't about the thinking cap or schizotech being added to the body in general though. It was about him not making any structural to his human body for vastly increased survivability and physical capabilities in ring less conditions. Things like changing material used for his bones, muscles and tendons for material (adapted in a biological fashion) far better suited for the task without forgetting to improve some structures like the way the muscles are woven. Things like sub dermal armor (think something similar to a thin layer of shock resistant gel and spider silk), improvement to his circulatory system, reinforcement of his squishy insides and generally correcting some of the designs flaws caused by evolution. No schizotech involved and nothing that should interfere with magic due to some kind of weird exotic energy requirement.

The only real challenge is making sure these upgrades are long term and can repair themselves in a ring less manner. The human body isn't particularly good at healing important injuries in the first place, but you can probably manage with the the database of a power ring, it has most certainly been done before far more extensively and with tools not nearly as precise as a ring or the ability to rollback any change made thanks to it.
 
Citation for that? I don't remember it being the case.

Pretty sure he could have done it to them regardless, them being linked to MM did allow him to directly get to them through her though.

Most everyone in the universe has a soul though IIRC, so if magics was that big an issue science wouldn't really apply. Zoat even said something along the lines of earth prime humans being the same as earth 16 ones biology wise. So if the soul effect was so dramatic science wouldn't really work the same on earth for the more mundane stuff that we share.

My argument wasn't about the thinking cap or schizotech being added to the body in general though. It was about him not making any structural to his human body for vastly increased survivability and physical capabilities in ring less conditions. Things like changing material used for his bones, muscles and tendons for material (adapted in a biological fashion) far better suited for the task without forgetting to improve some structures like the way the muscles are woven. Things like sub dermal armor (think something similar to a thin layer of shock resistant gel and spider silk), improvement to his circulatory system, reinforcement of his squishy insides and generally correcting some of the designs flaws caused by evolution. No schizotech involved and nothing that should interfere with magic due to some kind of weird exotic energy requirement.

The only real challenge is making sure these upgrades are long term and can repair themselves in a ring less manner. The human body isn't particularly good at healing important injuries in the first place, but you can probably manage with the the database of a power ring, it has most certainly been done before far more extensively and with tools not nearly as precise as a ring or the ability to rollback any change made thanks to it.
Spider-silk? He's got a power-ring, braided woven carbon nanotubes son.
 
Here's one for you, In the Grayven bits about the school you have him mention that apokolips doesn't use telepathy. Didn't renegade's queen bee get an apokoliptian telepathic weapon in the chapter where she was mind controlling the president of a neighboring country?
That's not a matter of Apokoliptians using telepathy with each other, that's a matter of them growing a telepathic thing to use as a weapon.
 
I know it's reaching back a bit, but I realized another problem I have with Wally and Artemis dating in here. Paul already butterflied away two of the major events that lead to their relationship in canon, the Training Scenario, and New Years. New Years was where the two found the courage to actually act on their feelings, and Failsafe was where Wally began to realize he even had feelings for her. Except here it was Robin who died in the simulation, and Artemis kissed Paul at New Years.

It's entirely possible that those events were replaced by new ones but, since Paul wasn't there, we didn't get to see them. So it just comes off as Stations of Canon.
 
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So, this might have been discussed a while back, but... Wally is still worried about his speed right? So how can he fix it? I mean, maybe he needs to do the whole 'Speed Force spirit journey' thing he and others went through? Wait, shit, the Speed Force doesn't exist in Earth-16. Maybe reverse his body to a point when he hadn't taken the flawed formula, then give him the actual one? No, they'd have to remove his memories I suppose, then put them back.

Depending on what Zoat includes in this fic, Wally has several options.

Off the top of my head, Fox, the flash of the 25th century, gained his speed from tachyon exposure during time travel, similar in how one of the Zoom's gained his speed emulating time manipulation from the cosmic treadmill.

Max Mercury gained his speed apparently from a shamanistic ritual.

In the continuity that Zoat likes to pretend doesn't exist, the flash of earth-2 gained his speed as divine empowerment from Mercury, as Black Adam shows alchemical enhancement and magical enhancements aren't mutually exclusive.

Maximum has an implant that allows him to channel his energy into one superpower at a time, including speed, similar to Ultra Boy or Baron Blitzkreig.

Speedfreak gained superhuman speed and strength from a steroid based treatment, at the cost of being deformed and driven insane, so that process has room for improvement.

Sellkirk, a character from the new continuity I don't expect to show up anytime soon, is implied to have given himself superspeed through magic.

Hourman's miraclo, which in the comics is what Bane's venom is based on, gives multiple superpowers, including superspeed.

The original Ray was given his power to turn into light, and hence move at light speed, from a "light gene bomb."

Or even possibly going another way. In this fic Wally's speed is magical, therefore it stands to reason that if you increased Wally's level of mojo he could then become faster. As amusing as say turning him into a demon to make him a literal speed demon is, I doubt this fic is headed in that direction, but there are other ways to enhance one's mojo in the DC franchise, such as deals with the supernatural (deities, demons, elemental powers, lords of chaos or order), tapping into mystic artifacts, or spells to tap into nonstandard power sources (offhand, mages in DC comics have been shown powering their magic by draining the earth around them, feeding off the energy released by death nearby them, or sacrifices of their own blood).
 
It's entirely possible that those events were replaced by new ones but, since Paul wasn't there, we didn't get to see them. So it just comes off as Stations of Canon.
Eh, if you put unattached teenagers in close proximity for long periods, it doesn't take an act of plot for them to become romantically interested in one another.
 
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I know it's reaching back a bit, but I realized another problem I have with Wally and Artemis dating in here. Paul already butterflied away two of the major events that lead to their relationship in canon, the Training Scenario, and New Years. New Years was where the two found the courage to actually act on their feelings, and Failsafe was where Wally began to realize he even had feelings for her. Except here it was Robin who died in the simulation, and Artemis kissed Paul at New Years.

It's entirely possible that those events were replaced by new ones but, since Paul wasn't there, we didn't get to see them. So it just comes off as Stations of Canon.

I think it might be Zoat throwing Wally a bone. The most memorable thing he's done in months is throw an acid potion on a mutated demon. He's just background noise otherwise.
 
A Star Reborn (part 9)
16th April
13:39 GMT -5


"Orange Lantern to everyone." I draw my sidearm and point it at the Demon. "One of the Demons just ate my ring charge. This isn't going to be-" Two Arrows of Unmaking strike it in the chest and trigger.

"Raaaaargh!"

"-as easy as I thought."

The Tar-Covered Corpse flows away from us, the two round holes ripped in its chest swiftly being swallowed by dull orange goo. It slaps its right hand against the fallen form of the Juggernaut Wallace melted, and orange strands glow across the brute's skin, matching the runic patterns I briefly saw on the Corpse's own flesh.

Okay, power armour, go for my personal lantern or try fighting like this? Call for help? No one could get here- I note another arrow moving into my field of vision in slow motion- fast enough, at least no one with the necessary anti-Demon skill set. I pull the trigger on my pistol, sending an iron bullet towards the Corpse. Doubt that'll do much. Angel feather railgun round? In situations like this I'm really supposed to retreat but I can't leave Artemis and Wallace in the lurch, to say nothing of all the squishy civilians. Fingers moving in slow motion I pull the trigger again. Disadvantage of polytheism is that I can't just pray to my preferred jumped up Elemental to make the Demons go away. I'd have to get a god with a particular pre-existing hostility.

Wallace runs forwards, another vial prepped. The Corpse's eyes flash orange for a moment and a tar tentacle bubbles outwards from its chest, lashing out at his most likely approach. Wallace jumps, twisting in the air to throw himself over it. Next to the Corpse, the empty pits in the Juggernaut's face that once held its eyes flare orange.

Right.

My power armour appears around me-

Warning, twelve percent remaining.

-and I activate the flight system and phasing.

"Ragh!"

Things move back into normal speed. The Corpse's tentacle intercepts Artemis' arrow while the Corpse itself slides out of the way of Wallace's hurriedly thrown vial. My bullets hit but appear to do no damage. Par for the course, really. Artemis' second arrow -this one an Unmaker rather than a anti-magic arrow- punches a hole in the tentacle and causes the part severed from the Corpse to fall to the ground, where it… Ugh, where it shimmers and vaporises in a decidedly unhealthy-looking fashion. I raise my right arm, construct railgun reforming and a cold gun appearing from subspace. Cold gun is a bit iffy as Demons don't always bother creating bodies from matter, but if Crumblers worked they're probably solid enough to have their vibrations impeded. Wallace is moving too fast for me to precisely track him, but from the way the Corpse's head is constantly jerking and the presence of numerous small but heavy airborne objects I'm going to assume that he's super speed throwing things.

The cold beam hits the Corpse in the chest, coating its epidermis in frost as super cooled whatever-it's-made-of causes the water to precipitate out of the air. The Demon itself actually seems mildly perturbed by this, looking down at itself and making a weird sort of choking-panting noise. The Juggernaut starts to pull itself to its feet, a sort of crystalline construct growth appearing along its forearms. I've been reluctant to use angel feather rounds because I only have a very finite number of them, but I think I've found the time for them.

An Unmaker from Artemis hits the Juggernaut hard enough to make it jerk away, and the detonation causes the orange runes to blink out. I load an angel round and fire it directly at that point.

The round punches cleanly through the Demon's skin and into its pseudo organs.

"Yaaaaaahhh!"

It collapses, flares of gold and black flickering around it as the magics conflict and counteract one another. The Corpse takes one look at what's happening to its colleague and propels itself my way on a plume of orange ichor, mouth unhinged and hissing. I go to dodge, but its oil coated talons still pass through.. me…

Ooh, that feels disgusting. The physical component went through, but I think.. I just caught the edge of its magics and-

Warning, ten percent remaining.

-got drained further. I'm going to need Zatanna to check me out fully after this. Artemis rolls out of the way as the Corpse has a moment of indecision: go for me again when the first attempt appeared to achieve nothing, or try reinforcing its other fallen comrade? I come back into phase and fire the cold gun again as Artemis looses another Unmaker, trying to create another hole in its oil coating. It shudders under the beam's effect but doesn't seem notably disabled. Artemis' Unmaker gouges another break, but the oil covers it once more before she can capitalise. Wallace blurs past, another vial breaking on the Corpse and a patch of green sludge spreading across its back. It doesn't hiss in the way the acid did, but the Corpse flails around for a moment trying to reach it anyway. The bits I froze are stiffer, but not nearly as much as they should be. I can see the heat being leached out of the air from here; absolute zero is bloody cold.

Wallace drops back to normal speed just behind me. "Aim for the green stuff!"

Okay then. I raise my railgun and load an angel round as Artemis hurries around to this side and notches an anti-magic arrow. We fire simultaneously, my shot striking home just ahead of hers. Both finally penetrate the Corpse's outer defences and burrow into its insides.

"Nraaaaooooow!"

The Corpse collapses to the ground, more of its body appearing as the oil streams off and runs across the floor.

Right then. Rings, get my gosh darn power back.

Orange vapour leaps out of the muck and towards my gauntlets. Okay, I'm going to assume that means that the spell binding it is broken. Rings, we got a recording of the rune layout, right?

Confirmed. Ninety percent of image available. Charging in progress. Eighteen percent available.

Good to know.

"Master! Please!" The Corpse claws at the air, presumably begging either its summoner or its overlord. "Aid meeee!"

"Mrrruhhhhmrm." Keeping the rings scanning the Corpse I turn to the fallen Juggernaut. It's shrivelled as the angel round leaches its power, horns vanishing and its grey blood turning… Red? What?

"Ah, Oh El? Is it meant to do that?"

Charge at twenty three percent.

I quickly review the footage once more. The Juggernaut was that one, so… The horns vanish and the hair begins to grow from the top of its head in replacement. Behind me the outer flesh of the Corpse begins to reappear, covering its exposed muscles and bones. The injuries we inflicted are now painfully visible, and from the way the Corpse is thrashing about I'm going to assume that they can feel them now as well.

What?

"Kid Flash, healing unguents."

"But they're De-."

"That's not how Demons work. I don't know what they are."

"Okay, God, ah…" He pushes the woman who became the Juggernaut firmly onto her back, revealing the full extent of her facial burns and the hole in her chest made by my railgun round. He pours the content of one vial over her face as I go to work on the rapidly bleeding puncture, cauterizing and reknitting the damaged flesh. As well as extracting my round. Those things don't grow on trees. My constructs fade once I'm reasonably sure that she isn't going to die immediately. Wallace's efforts on her face have restored it to third-degree-oil-burns level, back from skull-with-some-meat-attached. The eyes are still gone, but that's to be expected. Don't think we caused any brain damage, but it's too early to be certain.

"Okay, next one."

Artemis just stands there, staring in shock as we rush to patch up the Corpse. I use the rings to bring her temperature up… Not sure what happened there, having part of your body at absolute zero should be pretty lethal for a Human but she seems to be getting off with extreme-but-survivable cold. Wallace splashes healing potion on the holes all over her torso.

"A-Artemis to team. The Demons, they're… People. People turned into Demons! Try not to kill them!"

How is this even possible?
 
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So whoever guessed it was right, it is "DMN".


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Next to the Corpse, the pits that Wallace's first attack turned fallen Demon eyes into flare orange.
This whole sentence is messed up. At a guess it should be something like "Next to the Corpse the eye pits of the fallen Demon that Wallace's first attack disabled flare orange."

Artemis' second arrow -this one a Unmaker rather than a anti-magic arrow- punches a hole in the tentacle and causes the part severed from the Corpse to fall to the ground, where it… Ugh, where it shimmers and vaporises is a decidedly unhealthy-looking fashion.
"an", "in"

I've been reluctant to use angel feather tipper arrows because I only have a very finite number of them, but I think I've found the time for them.
"tipped rounds"

Okay, I'm going to assume that means that the spellbinding it is broken.
"spell binding"
 
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well, uh, shit. Man I really hope those guys where cultists who did this willingly rather than random people grabbed off the street. At least Ol probably wants his friends to not be killers enough he should be able to heal them without much issue.
 
I note another arrow moving into my field of vision in slow motion- fast enough, at least no one with the necessary anti-Demon skill set.
This isn't making sense to me. Did you muck in wording?
Ugh, where it shimmers and vaporises is a decidedly unhealthy-looking fashion
in a decidedly
Okay, I'm going to assume that means that the spellbinding it is broken.
spellbinding is broken.
Well, snap. People-turned-demon.
 
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