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"Orange Lantern! More Demons assail us!" "Finally!"
Well damn, it has been a long time if I missed the "Finally!" invisitext. But damn, this is really turning out well for the team. Of all things to send after an alien mind controller, demons?

HAVE THEY NO SENSE OF STYLE!?

But yeah, everytime I see something devour Paul's ring power it always makes me sigh. I mean, it doesn't happen too often, and he's long since had other equipment to make up for low power when needed, but I can feel the annoyance he does when it happens.
 
I'm not. But I'm not the one relentlessly bashing him, either.
Some criticism here and there can hardly be called relentless bashing. If the counter argument had just been "he doesn't do it for narrative reasons", then that would have been that, but people insist on trying to argue the point using in-story mechanics when the capabilities of the ring show more than clearly that some basic body upgrading should be both easy and fast, reversible too which is always a bonus.
 
Some criticism here and there can hardly be called relentless bashing. If the counter argument had just been "he doesn't do it for narrative reasons", then that would have been that, but people insist on trying to argue the point using in-story mechanics when the capabilities of the ring show more than clearly that some basic body upgrading should be both easy and fast, reversible too which is always a bonus.
Except what's actually happening is that certain people are trying to browbeat the author into contradicting his own canon to fulfill their own fantasies.
 
Except what's actually happening is that certain people are trying to browbeat the author into contradicting his own canon to fulfill their own fantasies.
How exactly is any of this suppose to be intimidating him lmfao. We're not asking the SI to become some kind of kryptonian martian hybrid that functions without ring assistance here. We're talking about him using shown canon abilities in a rather obvious fashion to improve his body beyond his very lackluster human capabilities and your argument is basically that he can't because it'd somehow require the ring to keep it working for some reason.
 
We're talking about him using shown canon abilities in a rather obvious fashion to improve his body beyond his very lackluster human capabilities and your argument is basically that he can't because it'd somehow require the ring to keep it working for some reason.
Because the parts won't work together right, something that's been mentioned both in and out of story.
 
as I recall, the Sword of the Fallen requires more than 13 percent to place/remove from subspace.
He hasn't got it in subspace. It's still in the mountain, in a secure vault.
"Hope he tries to brand you" seems like a very strange counter to OL. What would they have done if OL had tried a good strategy like another Mage Slayer instead?
Shrug and not care, probably.

No one failure for the Light scuppers the organisation. If the drain effect works, great. If it doesn't, that's still useful to know. If it doesn't trigger, no reason not to try it again later. They know that he can assimilate Demons. They know the League are fine with killing Demons. They know he'll want information.
Thank you, corrected.
The Gun isn't the Sword of the Fallen or made of nth metal, so the power to store it should be next to nothing.
According to the associated myths, it was made of hammered out halos. Whatever the truth, it is a powerful arcane artifact and still takes a large amount of power to put into or take out of subspace.
though I will say its kind of annoying how the paragon is constantly encountering custom made hard counters while the renegade just doesn't, despite him making a point of pissing in as many bowls of cereal as possible.
The Renegade hasn't pissed off the Light. Or at least not to the point where they're openly fielding anti-Gravyen weapons. Batman might be working on a thing or two, but him actually using it outside of a major confrontation would be a dangerous escalation against someone who knows where he lives.
Thinking Cap that can even make anyone Psychic without needing to add brain grafts. Enuff said. You could even run it through the Rings tech database to miniaturize it and integrate it into your skull so it is always there. Somewhere along the lime Zoat decided he hated even reversible trans-humanism. Bad Zoat, no Cake for you!
It plugs into your brain and the only man to ever used it died raving in an asylum. Technology like that needs very careful testing, not being stuck in your head as soon as possible.
They are also not that great against magic. Which Satanus both is, and is an expert on. Do he probably buddied up to Dark Druid to learn how to magically drain power rings for a double whammy.
Not really. Once he had the symbol for 'Orange Lantern' it was just a matter of applying things he already knew.
Zoat, you are kind of being a prat here. He was not asking OL, he was asking you, about author of the story and fellow thread member, about things that were mentioned in the thread. Of course OL goes not now, he is not a participant in the thread. And Satanus joining the Light was mentioned here before.
I wasn't sure if I'd mentioned it outside of spoilers before.
I admit it would be nice if some time when his charge was drained or getting low he could just say, "Hold down the fort for 30 seconds OK guys," and did just teleport to the lantern to recharge.
He will, once this fight is over. Because against a force of unknown strength 30 seconds absence can result in companion deaths. Or NPC deaths, which is something he studiously wants to avoid.
Usually quick-hardening.
Think I'll leave it.
But when you get magical alchemy involved, Wally here has a concoction that takes the CONCEPTUAL essence of sulfuric acid and concentrates it into something that melts demon flesh. Fun!
And unlike holy water, it works on things that aren't Demons too!
While the biology question is a hit or miss if done with his Ring the real question is why he hasn't been going for technological assistance?
Several reasons. Partly because he doesn't want the governments of the world to feel threatened by him. Partly because he's not sure what it would do to Human civilisation and partly because he wants to chat to the Controllers first.

Also... Earth 16 has tonnes of schizotech it doesn't use properly already. How would adding more help?
I mean he has the Guardian database, and I don't believe for a moment he wouldn't be able to assemble a way to genetically enhance people or build a rocking suit of power armor using that information.
It actually doesn't have any information on how to genetically enhance Humans. I mean, why would it? It has data on all sorts of gene mods various alien races have used over the millennia so if any of them turn up he can sort them out, but none of it is directly applicable to Humans. He already made power armour based partly on its contents.
 
So, this might have been discussed a while back, but... Wally is still worried about his speed right? So how can he fix it? I mean, maybe he needs to do the whole 'Speed Force spirit journey' thing he and others went through? Wait, shit, the Speed Force doesn't exist in Earth-16. Maybe reverse his body to a point when he hadn't taken the flawed formula, then give him the actual one? No, they'd have to remove his memories I suppose, then put them back.

Maybe they can clone him and he can body switch? No, that seems like a shitty thing to do to a clone, as well as expensive. Damnit, I don't understand why he can't just take some vitamins and fix this magically!? I mean, I know exactly why, but Paul being able to call on another Flash-level speedster in battle is such a huge asset. Infinite Mass Punch would solve a lot of problems.
 
Several reasons. Partly because he doesn't want the governments of the world to feel threatened by him. Partly because he's not sure what it would do to Human civilisation and partly because he wants to chat to the Controllers first.

Also... Earth 16 has tonnes of schizotech it doesn't use properly already. How would adding more help?
You don't build the super-suit that takes a lot of effort and rare materials to construct for mass production. You build it to keep yourself alive while you work on other stuff that can be mass produced to improve the lives of everyone.

It actually doesn't have any information on how to genetically enhance Humans. I mean, why would it? It has data on all sorts of gene mods various alien races have used over the millennia so if any of them turn up he can sort them out, but none of it is directly applicable to Humans. He already made power armour based partly on its contents.
Given the sheer number of times the Guardians must have visited Earth over the centuries for there to be that many guardian containment units on the planet I find it rather mind boggling that they never did a genetic work up of the local sentient species...
 
You don't build the super-suit that takes a lot of effort and rare materials to construct for mass production. You build it to keep yourself alive while you work on other stuff that can be mass produced to improve the lives of everyone.
Did you miss the bit where OL has a suit of power armor? Because he does.

Also, Luthor and Russia are already working on mass producible power armor, so there's no reason for OL to do it by himself.
Wait, shit, the Speed Force doesn't exist in Earth-16.
I'm sorry, but you need to stop commenting. People who have read and remember the FAQ aren't allowed to post.

Or at leat this is the impression I got. Is this incorrect?
 
Because the parts won't work together right, something that's been mentioned both in and out of story.
I swear it's like you don't even read the posts. The argument isn't that he should copy paste incompatible alien parts, it's that he should change some of the structural parts like how his muscles are woven and use far better material for them in the first place. Human bones are rather brittle and unflexible so that could also go, tendons could also use far better material. This kind of stuff doesn't require exotic effects to do or ring assistance to maintain and there's a lot more that could be done that's similar. Organs wise they could be made far better and be a bit decentralized to avoid the whole "sure death if there's a hole in them". His senses could also be vastly improved and new ones added using the example of mundane animals, let alone the rest of the universe. There's also a lot of variation between individual cells that do the same role, if he made use of the best cell for any given role and made all the others like them there'd also be a good increase in capabilities and this is a process that can be repeated as they the better batch mutate.

Point is there's a lot that could be done to improve the human body without using alien exotic parts, just fixing a lot of the more mundane evolution flaws would be a good start.
I'm sorry, but you need to stop commenting. People who have read and remember the FAQ aren't allowed to post.
I think you mean that those who have read the FAQ are allowed to post.
 
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Given the sheer number of times the Guardians must have visited Earth over the centuries for there to be that many guardian containment units on the planet I find it rather mind boggling that they never did a genetic work up of the local sentient species...
I had asked about those containment units a couple months back, turns out most of them were on the Guardian ship, and are no longer on Earth.
 
You don't build the super-suit that takes a lot of effort and rare materials to construct for mass production. You build it to keep yourself alive while you work on other stuff that can be mass produced to improve the lives of everyone.
He has power armour. It's pretty darn good. And -as I said- Humans already have tonnes of stuff that could improve everyone's lives adn they're not using it.
Given the sheer number of times the Guardians must have visited Earth over the centuries for there to be that many guardian containment units on the planet I find it rather mind boggling that they never did a genetic work up of the local sentient species...
Depends what you mean by 'work up'. They did take a quick (by Guardian standards) look at the Human genome to see what effect the Life Entity was having, but they never sat down and plotted out ways to enhance Humans. And if they did, that sort of thing wouldn't be on the regular database. The Life Entity is supposed to be a secret.
 
I was going to bring this up later in a suggestion thing I've been putting together, but why doesn't OL have combat drones for emergency situations? He has the technology, and if he's low on ring power, needs as much dakka as possible, or is otherwise incapacitated and the lives of his friends and more are on the line, there doesn't seem to be a reason for him to not pull out a few combat robots from either his ring's subspace or a separate subspace he keeps with him in case his rings are too low on power/non-functioning.

In the emergencies that would theoretically merit such drones, any uncomfortable questions and opinions brought up by 'why do you have a handful of intimidating schizotech combat drones' are mitigated by their usefulness in that emergency. Especially if the combat drones are specced more for defense than anything else.
 
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He has power armour. It's pretty darn good.
But it could be a lot better then it is given the resources available to him.

Depends what you mean by 'work up'. They did take a quick (by Guardian standards) look at the Human genome to see what effect the Life Entity was having, but they never sat down and plotted out ways to enhance Humans. And if they did, that sort of thing wouldn't be on the regular database. The Life Entity is supposed to be a secret.
Wouldn't they have to run acceleration projections with Human DNA to figure what sorts of effects it would have on human evolution?
 
I was going to bring this up later in a suggestion thing I've been putting together, but why doesn't OL have combat drones for emergency situations?
I thought of this a little while ago, and came up with an answer I'm happy with. So the database he got at New Years only has information about technology that is common among interstellar civilizations. There's other stuff as well, but that's true for the tech part. When making artificial intelligences, the species creating it necessarily bases it on itself. Because each class of artificial intelligence is unique to each species, none become common throughout the interstellar community, and so they didn't make it onto the ring database.

Alternatively, there isn't an intelligent system on the database that OL would trust 100% in a combat situation, and with the Praexis swarm he doesn't feel the need to get Morrow to make one.

But it could be a lot better then it is given the resources available to him.
It's been brought up in story before. The easiest way to improve, by including orichalcum and enchantments, means that OL can no longer fully recreate or repair his armor. Given how often he seems to get it damaged, destroyed, or upgraded, this is pretty reasonable.

There's probably some design philosophy changes he could make to it, or make multiple different types for changing scenarios, but that's a different criticism, and more subjective.
 
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So, this might have been discussed a while back, but... Wally is still worried about his speed right? So how can he fix it?
It just came up in the story that he's going to try talking with the Rush Hour heroes, as they also use magic-based super speed and he might be able to figure out something based on that.

The argument isn't that he should copy paste incompatible alien parts, it's that he should change some of the structural parts like how his muscles are woven and use far better material for them in the first place. Human bones are rather brittle and unflexible so that could also go, tendons could also use far better material. This kind of stuff doesn't require exotic effects to do or ring assistance to maintain and there's a lot more that could be done that's similar. Organs wise they could be made far better and be a bit decentralized to avoid the whole "sure death if there's a hole in them". His senses could also be vastly improved and new ones added using the example of mundane animals, let alone the rest of the universe. There's also a lot of variation between individual cells that do the same role, if he made use of the best cell for any given role and made all the others like them there'd also be a good increase in capabilities and this is a process that can be repeated as they the better batch mutate.
In other words, lots of work for dangerous experiments that are either of marginal benefit or he doesn't know how to do. And you are contradicting yourself, alien animal parts are still alien parts.
 
And if he did that he'd fall over the moment he took off his ring or it ran out of charge and it was no longer forcing all the parts to work together.
I do not buy this explanation for a second. The ring could do the simulations until it had the specs for a self sustaining biological system that can operate within Terran norms. Chimeras are a thing. This is not using the ring to puppeteer parts of his body. Hell, the Starro can work with how many species without needing a ring.

OL could make a bio suit that could cover his skin, maybe even replace it, so he could survive in space, and yes, he needs to replace his muscular-skeletal structure with something more durable and efficient than what he has now. Maybe make a organ that replaces his blood with something that works better.

Seeing as he can't use the formulas since he lacks the necessary soul slot, them being great is of little use to him and some of the benefits would still be kept with the formula. The thing is a cost vs benefit kind of thing, he could have easily made his body far better with just a few hours of his time by simply using the super computer at his disposal. Seeing how drastically his ring less survival increases when not being a squishy meatbag then you'd figure he'd have spent that very small time cost to improve himself.
I addition to benefiting him by developing beneficial structural changes applicable to humans, he can stack them to Danner/Garrick enhanciles. While it may or may not make a difference on the Dannered, it would be a godsend for the speedsters, who are still just as squishy as ever, and cannot be Dannered after being Garricked.

You, as the player, can get the combination of trinkets to become immortal god of the setting, but then the story is essentially already over.
Not really. If we make OL as a Superman expy without his ring, that does not mean the story is over, just like Superman being Superman does not mean his story is over. I am not really interested in the physical side as much as other things he cannot fix by Righteous Face Punching. And even with everything we are saying, he would still take a drop in power if the rings were countered, because of the sheer power of the rings. But that does not mean he should not be trying everything he can to boost his baseline self.

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It has data on all sorts of gene mods various alien races have used over the millennia so if any of them turn up he can sort them out, but none of it is directly applicable to Humans. He already made power armour based partly on its contents.
This is what I mean. I do not expect it to specifically have a human genome database. But I DO expect it to have a lot of data on biological systems in general. And with data base like that and a effing power ring, you should (and by you i mean the ring powered by your desire to do so) be able to fill in the blanks with pattern matching and clarke-tech simulations, and have it assemble a hooman adaptation and comparability template for all the biotech it does have.

Even if it could not do it for the average species, humans are blessed by the Life Entity. That is why we can have all those half-human hybrids. Our DNA is really good at interfacing with other DNA. We are basically the Universal Donors/Recipients of the universe.
 
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It's been brought up in story before. The easiest way to improve, by including orichalcum and enchantments, means that OL can no longer fully recreate or repair his armor. Given how often he seems to get it damaged, destroyed, or upgraded, this is pretty reasonable.
Detachable Orichalcum plating would allow the ability to fully recreate and repair the armor.
 
In other words, lots of work for dangerous experiments that are either of marginal benefit or he doesn't know how to do. And you are contradicting yourself, alien animal parts are still alien parts.
He doesn't actually have to know how any of it works, that's the job of the ring, what danger would there be? He can undo any damage caused by a failed change, not that it should fail in the first place seeing as the ring can figure out end results. I was talking about animals from earth so no.
 
I thought of this a little while ago, and came up with an answer I'm happy with. So the database he got at New Years only has information about technology that is common among interstellar civilizations. There's other stuff as well, but that's true for the tech part. When making artificial intelligences, the species creating it necessarily bases it on itself. Because each class of artificial intelligence is unique to each species, none become common throughout the interstellar community, and so they didn't make it onto the ring database.

Alternatively, there isn't an intelligent system on the database that OL would trust 100% in a combat situation, and with the Praexis swarm he doesn't feel the need to get Morrow to make one.
Uh, didn't OL have that super-genius robotics scientist?
 
That is why we can have all those half-human hybrids. Our DNA is really good at interfacing with other DNA. We are basically the Universal Donors/Recipients of the universe.
Explicitly not the case in WTR. OL noted at the beginning of the story that a human/Kryptonian hybrid should be impossible, but the Genomorph bits somehow make it work. Also, Grayven explained to that one queen person that a female mate would be just as viable as a male one because the child would need to be created in a lab regardless of the gender.
Detachable Orichalcum plating would allow the ability to fully recreate and repair the armor.
Not if the orichalcum is damaged.
Uh, didn't OL have that super-genius robotics scientist?
Yes, Doctor Morrow, who I mentioned at the bottom.
 
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