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Kind of amusing how he is always drained juuuuuust to below that number when you think about it. :evil:
Three times in the entire story, and once because he personally spent the power? The Maltusian ship drained him to about 7%, and in Fool's Canon he still had enough to transition normally.

He's acting like he doesn't have a perfect demon killing weapon.

I guess Pragmatism is a bit too much to hope for.
I'd rather not, but I think I'm going to have to start taking the Ace places with me. Or at least store it somewhere more readily accessible than Poseidonis.
He owns it, but keeps it in secure storage unless he thinks there's going to be some magical threat. Otherwise it just risks being destroyed.
 
Yes, he has. It just doesn't come up much, especially in combat where his power armor is much better.
The only thing he has mentionned is very light touches to his brain as far as I recall, which doesn't even include the amygdala upgrade. Obviously armor helps, but having a powerful body means you're not limited to having to choose armor which protects the equivalent of a squishy eggs and gives natural protection for the places the armor doesn't cover.
as I recall, the Sword of the Fallen requires more than 13 percent to place/remove from subspace.
If he hasn't made an item that he can store which would allow him to pull out the sword (or any similar item really) out of somewhere else, then he's been a bit unproductive on that front.
The last time he tested a sample of his blood with the Danner formula (granted quite a while back), it exploded. I believe that was back when he was soulless, but his current soul is decidedly 'not normal', maybe the Danner and Garrick formulas simply don't work on him.
I'm not talking about alchemy or even magic. Simple stuctural change to the way his body works and is designed would massively improve his out of or non ring assisted capabilities and I'm not even talking about the kind that require him to look difference or are ring dependent to keep functionning.
 
As others have pointed out, wearing one ring (while keeping the other as backup) would be a fairly good way to force Paul to be less wasteful and more pragmatic during combat (less branding, annihilation beams, more mage slayers and cold iron rounds).

Meh... The sword of the Fallen is too much of a narrative trump card to be used willy-nilly and we know the Winchester is sitting on a lab in Atlantis so neither of them coming into play is expected, OL trying to brand the demon that can't apparently speak and is shrouded in black light corruption, instead of thee smart big one that can obviously talk seems like a stupid move fueled by narrative fiat.
 
so I think after this Paul is going to look into a counter strategy for charge draining enemies. This is the first time he's encountered it on a mook, so now he knows its going to be the new scry wards.

though I will say its kind of annoying how the paragon is constantly encountering custom made hard counters while the renegade just doesn't, despite him making a point of pissing in as many bowls of cereal as possible.
 
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OL trying to brand the demon that can't apparently speak and is shrouded in black light corruption, instead of thee smart big one that can obviously talk seems like a stupid move fueled by narrative fiat.
It appeared to be the weakest one, and the easiest to contain while the brand was applying, and it wasn't covered in black light corruption. The tar like stuff was just black in color.
 
Actually, the accusation of "one-trick pony" might have a bit of credibility here: draining OL's rings might be a perfectly reasonable tactic for the Light to go with, but if it keeps happening then narrative and entertainment value have been sacrificed on the altar of realism, and we'll have to start asking ourselves why OL doesn't use the same level of boring-but-functional pragmatism in response. From there, either we end up with arguments that Paul is failing to up his game in the face of a serious ongoing threat to his ability to contribute, or we get arguments that having him just use accelerated perception, followed by a barrage of weapons fire and then slapping power-nullifying collars on any enemy combatants before they've even finished processing the sudden fusillade of schizotech ordnance and orange light is starting to get old.
And yet, I would read that story, because it would make sense. If you think you need to be comic book dumb to have a good narrative and entertainment value, maybe stop reading this and go read the New 52 or something? I hear they made it Super Extra Comic Book Dumb, just for people who think the way you do...

Oh please, it's been 8-9 months and he's still a shitty human when he doesn't even need to look different or do any change that would make his continued well being ring dependent and yet he hasn't improved his body. We've had this discussion a few times already and it's quite obvious Zoat is unwilling to make him take the logical choice for some reason.
Thinking Cap that can even make anyone Psychic without needing to add brain grafts. Enuff said. You could even run it through the Rings tech database to miniaturize it and integrate it into your skull so it is always there. Somewhere along the lime Zoat decided he hated even reversible trans-humanism. Bad Zoat, no Cake for you!

Lanterns. They've got like, one major weakness and that'S their ring charge. When you have not only the knowledge of that weakness, but also the means to exploit it, you do that or you get wrecked. And when you do that, you better do it well. And that's what'S happened here.
They are also not that great against magic. Which Satanus both is, and is an expert on. Do he probably buddied up to Dark Druid to learn how to magically drain power rings for a double whammy.

If the SI didn't know it, why would be be mentioned? This story is virtually all first person, after all.
Zoat, you are kind of being a prat here. He was not asking OL, he was asking you, about author of the story and fellow thread member, about things that were mentioned in the thread. Of course OL goes not now, he is not a participant in the thread. And Satanus joining the Light was mentioned here before.

The problem is that it's still dull as dishwater, and indicates a shift in the story's internal logic towards "pragmatism and efficiency outweigh all other concerns, including narrative"
You realize what you are basically saying is, "Hey, you know thus story we are reading that is about what happens when a SI comes to DC with a power ring, and starts disregarding the stupid comic book tropes to try and actually improve things, I think we should stop doing that so it can have more comic book style illogical decisions that are completely divorced from common sense."

Not really a fan of that at all. OL should fight his battles intelligently, and if his enemies have a method that counters him, they should use it like a crutch until OL devises a counter to it, and it he does not, it should continue to be a problem. Like the wards, magic being partially OCP to the rings programming. And is continually countering him, and will till he wises up and puts more effort into finding a ward breaker that can work with the ring. (Like Assimilating the Spear of Destiny, you know you want to OL)

When he was just manifesting Shock Crowns on peoples heads I had no problem with that. I do sort of have a problem with him not doing that anymore when it worked, but I assume that is because his high end opponents wised up, all that battles that could have been solved by him simple shock crowning everyone simply did not happen, because instead of sending mooks against OL that he could effortlessly defeat, his enemies realized that would be dumb, and did something else with their resources, like making it more likely OL would just not be there to effortlessly thwart the plan while it was in motion.

Kind of amusing how he is always drained juuuuuust to below that number when you think about it. :evil:
I admit it would be nice if some time when his charge was drained or getting low he could just say, "Hold down the fort for 30 seconds OK guys," and did just teleport to the lantern to recharge.
 
Usually quick-hardening.

For readers not familiar with medieval alchemy: "Oil of Vitriol" is the ancient name for what is known today as "sulfuric acid". You can't create an essence of it using traditional non-magical means; you either end up with slightly more concentrated sulfuric acid or you get hydrogen sulfate crystals (which aren't corrosive when dry).

But when you get magical alchemy involved, Wally here has a concoction that takes the CONCEPTUAL essence of sulfuric acid and concentrates it into something that melts demon flesh. Fun!
 
The only thing he has mentionned is very light touches to his brain as far as I recall, which doesn't even include the amygdala upgrade. Obviously armor helps, but having a powerful body means you're not limited to having to choose armor which protects the equivalent of a squishy eggs and gives natural protection for the places the armor doesn't cover.
He can't augment himself yet to any degree that's useful in a superhuman fight without drastically altering his appearance. And yes, he's upgraded himself across the board. For example even as early as the amnesia episode he got a bit drunk on the intensity of his own improved senses, although he didn't realize that was what was happening.

I'm not talking about alchemy or even magic. Simple stuctural change to the way his body works and is designed would massively improve his out of or non ring assisted capabilities and I'm not even talking about the kind that require him to look difference or are ring dependent to keep functionning.
In other words, the kind of thing he can't do yet.
 
And since it has been a problem multiple times, he should have done something about it by now. Like a system where he transitions to secure area, sends code to open pathway, and then transitions directly to where lantern is secured to recharge.
1. He still can, like I said, with a zeta tube construct.

2. He should avoid any trigger that makes him transition without his conscious approval, as a Lantern FTL jammer is one of the only devices that bypass all his defenses to kill him.

Actually, he should probably avoid transitioning at any point where there might be people the Light has sent. Imagine if Brain had snuck a scry warded FTL jammer near STAR Labs and just left it there for OL to kill himself and his entire team the moment they arrive. Or made some scry warded robot with a powerful AoE attack and a FTL jammer inside its chassis.

That may be why in the MLP bit with future OL he says he 'warps' instead of transitions.
 
Thinking Cap that can even make anyone Psychic without needing to add brain grafts. Enuff said. You could even run it through the Rings tech database to miniaturize it and integrate it into your skull so it is always there. Somewhere along the lime Zoat decided he hated even reversible trans-humanism. Bad Zoat, no Cake for you!
Yeah already asked about that, apparently he wouldn't do it cause it takes a couple of months of training, obviously I don't think the argument is valid, but w/e.
He can't augment himself yet to any degree that's useful in a superhuman fight without drastically altering his appearance. And yes, he's upgraded himself across the board. For example even as early as the amnesia episode he got a bit drunk on the intensity of his own improved senses, although he didn't realize that was what was happening.
There's a an absurd amount of aliens out there who have an internal structure better than humans and supposedly work on purely biological principle, he could most definitely improve what's under the hood without looking different. Heck, I'd bet his bones are still made out of calcium.

Beside for the perfect vision and maybe improved hearing that didn't really happen.
I rub myself against it, taking a moment to relish the feel of the material against my smooth skin. Closing my eyes and stretching my arms out to the side. No glasses, but my vision is perfect. The feel of wind through the fingers is like nothing I've felt before. I can hear the faint sound of sand grains sliding past each other. I can smell the arid desert air.

I shake slightly at the overwhelming sensuality of it all.
He was just enjoying himself and seeing as he was wearing the ring at the time any additional senses he gets can be attributed to it and he's hardly getting drunk on his senses.
In other words, the kind of thing he can't do yet.
He most definitely can.
 
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There's a an absurd amount of aliens out there who have an internal structure better than human and supposdely work on purely biological principle, he could most definitely improve what's under the hood without looking different.
I believe Zoat has said that while he could do something like that, OL couldn't make it actually function as intended without ring assistance, which defeats the whole point. He can't just mix and match different biologies without a much broader understanding of the science, as doing the copy and paste type thing he does with technology would probably kill him.
 
There's a an absurd amount of aliens out there who have an internal structure better than human and supposdely work on purely biological principle, he could most definitely improve what's under the hood without looking different.
And if he did that he'd fall over the moment he took off his ring or it ran out of charge and it was no longer forcing all the parts to work together.
 
While the biology question is a hit or miss if done with his Ring the real question is why he hasn't been going for technological assistance?

I mean he has the Guardian database, and I don't believe for a moment he wouldn't be able to assemble a way to genetically enhance people or build a rocking suit of power armor using that information.
 
I believe Zoat has said that while he could do something like that, OL couldn't make it actually function as intended without ring assistance, which defeats the whole point. He can't just mix and match different biologies without a much broader understanding of the science, as doing the copy and paste type thing he does with technology would probably kill him.
And if he did that he'd fall over the moment he took off his ring or it ran out of charge and it was no longer forcing all the parts to work together.
Why though? The goal isn't to copy paste a part and be done with it. It's to see the kind of structure that are biologically possible and apply the idea behind it. Just changing the composition of his bones to something far better and the way they're produced would already be a start, same basic idea for skin and muscles. Then get to look at all those parts in humans that can't be naturally replaced naturally / won't regenerate and it really opens up the options for what can be modified.

Remember that the guy has a super computer able to deduce what's the best amygdala for a human being and seamlessly adjust it to any person of his choosing. If it's capable of working like that on something as complex as a brain, then it can definitely make structural change to the far simplier parts of the body by using non exotic biology and keep it working without ring assistance far longer than even a human body would usually function. The ring biokinetic abilities are very much up there.
 
If it's capable of working like that on something as complex as a brain, then it can definitely make structural change to the far simplier parts of the body by using non exotic biology and keep it working without ring assistance far longer than even a human body would usually function. The ring biokinetic abilities are very much up there.
But not good enough for what you are saying, according to the author. Who is the one writing the story.
 
Why though? The goal isn't to copy paste a part and be done with it. It's to see the kind of structure that are biologically possible and apply the idea behind it.
I thought that was the point. For exotic things that aliens can do, I don't imagine it will be possible to adapt for a human. Possibly, but I somewhat doubt it would be easy. Zoat could chime in on it.

As for structural changes that would increase speed, strength, stuff like that, stuff that would be relatively easy? The Danner and Garrick formulae already exist, OL can easily make them, they are far better than anything he might come up with, and Wallace is working on making further improvements. There's no reason for OL to spend time on something that would benefit him so little.
 
But not good enough for what you are saying, according to the author. Who is the one writing the story.
I hadn't realised you were the author. And regardless it's not like Zoat is perfect.
I thought that was the point. For exotic things that aliens can do, I don't imagine it will be possible to adapt for a human. Possibly, but I somewhat doubt it would be easy. Zoat could chime in on it.
Most exotic stuff definitely wouldn't work without ring assistance, but I'm not talking about making him a kryptonian here. Human bodies are just pretty bad from a designer point of view.
As for structural changes that would increase speed, strength, stuff like that, stuff that would be relatively easy? The Danner and Garrick formulae already exist, OL can easily make them, they are far better than anything he might come up with, and Wallace is working on making further improvements. There's no reason for OL to spend time on something that would benefit him so little.
Seeing as he can't use the formulaes since he lacks the necessary soul slot, them being great is of little use to him and some of the benefits would still be kept with the formulae. The thing is a cost vs benefit kind of thing, he could have easily made his body far better with just a few hours of his time by simply using the super computer at his disposal. Seeing how drastically his ring less survival increases when not being a squishy meatbag then you'd figure he'd have spent that very small time cost to improve himself.
 
I think I've mentioned this before, but this argument is an inherent problem in so-called 'rational fiction'.

The reason stories have narrative conventions is to make them more entertaining and streamlined. However, they can be frustrating when a character who should be smart enough to circumvent a roadblock doesn't. This more than anything, is driving the change in media we're starting to see, at least here on the net.

However, you can't simply toss it all aside. It's the old D&D argument about story vs. player freedom, IE; 'railroading'. The DM can ignore your bright ideas, forcing you down a pre-written path, but then the story has essentially already been told. You might as well read it in any book already on the shelf.

You, as the player, can get the combination of trinkets to become immortal god of the setting, but then the story is essentially already over. An ideal game, as with 'rational fiction', rests somewhere in the middle, because neither extreme is really fun for anyone but the sole person benefiting, and the point of the game is to tell an engaging story together, whatever form that takes for your group. What it's not is self-gratification.

With This Ring is mechanically similar.

You can do a playthrough where you quickly become a transhuman wave of progress and change, but then the game ends, and it's hardly begun. The sad truth is it's incredibly difficult to write adventures for worlds entirely alien to our own. Not many expansions support this path.

You can also pilot OL as someone who never surpasses any of the other heroes, a 'ho-hum' lantern. But the game doesn't really support that either. (And why would you want to? Are you joyless?)

An ideal path, one that's long, engaging, and really makes use of the setting and mechanics, strikes a balance. OL is allowed to shine as an 'Outside Context Hero', inciting a 'super-arms race', if you will, and bringing sense to the setting, but he still stays weak enough that he has to interact with characters that the player is presumed to care about. (You did buy this game over a myriad of others, after all.) By the end of the game, you can still create the Orange Messiah, and assimilate Darkseid, and all the other top-tier threats, to use as waiters in your space cafe, but the journey there is what makes the experience worthwhile when you share the story with others.

Basically, no one cares if you masturbate your way to the top, that's why the achievement for the "transhumanist wave speedrun" playthrough is called: 'Congratulations, Now Go Play the Game'.
 
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