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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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drvash said:
By the way, what is Cornwall Boy up to?

Is he still learning from the ghost of his grandfather?
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Yes, he mentioned that recently.

drvash said:
Hypothetically, could a "Homo Magi" like Zatanna benefit from the Danner or Garrick formulas? Or are they incompatible due to being a divergent subspecies of humanity?
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Nobody knows, and he has no animal models to test it. It's the same reason he doesn't Danner people who already have metahuman powers. It would solve a lot of the problem with "glass cannon" heroes if he dared do that, but he doesn't know what it would do.
 
Avernus said:
Yes, he mentioned that recently.

Nobody knows, and he has no animal models to test it. It's the same reason he doesn't Danner people who already have metahuman powers. It would solve a lot of the problem with "glass cannon" heroes if he dared do that, but he doesn't know what it would do.
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I'd be surprised at any weird interactions considering the Light had dannered/blockbustered animals among that freak show early in the story.
 
stsword said:
Nor would I expect it to interfere with her magical abilities, since it seemingly doesn't interfere with Teth-Adam's powers, which after all, are magical in nature.
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stsword said:
I'd be surprised at any weird interactions considering the Light had dannered/blockbustered animals among that freak show early in the story.
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On second thought, Jason Blood would make a much better guinea pig than John Constantine to see if its safe to Danner a magician or sorcerer.

Jason Blood had the demon Etrigan bound to him by Merlin, "cursing him with immortality". His immortality would compensate for any flaws or side effects with the empowerment process, which OL's ring would record and analyze so the perfected version can be safely used on Zatanna.

Dannered-Zatanna: "Daddy! You're free!"
[Zatanna glomps Giovanni Starfire-style]
[insert sound of bones breaking]
Giovanni: :o "Sweet jebus the pain!"
Dannered-Zatanna: :oops: "Sorry, I'm still learning to control my strength..."
 
drvash said:
On second thought, Jason Blood would make a much better guinea pig than John Constantine to see if its safe to Danner a magician or sorcerer.

Jason Blood had the demon Etrigan bound to him by Merlin, "cursing him with immortality". His immortality would compensate for any flaws or side effects with the empowerment process, which OL's ring would record and analyze so the perfected version can be safely used on Zatanna.

Dannered-Zatanna: "Daddy! You're free!"
[Zatanna glomps Giovanni Starfire-style]
[insert sound of bones breaking]
Giovanni: :o "Sweet jebus the pain!"
Dannered-Zatanna: :oops: "Sorry, I'm still learning to control my strength..."
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It strikes me that Dannering the host of a demon is probably not the best idea?
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
I can get behind that kind of logic.

Then again, if I ever got SI-ed, I'd probably continue to treat all the people around me as characters and have little regard for them. So, I'm not the best judge.
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See, you'd think that, but having them physically nearby you, able to talk with you, able to interact with you? Able to touch you?

No, I don't think you'd be able to see them as merely characters if you had any meaningful interaction with them. It would take someone with sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies to do that.
 
Ellf said:
See, you'd think that, but having them physically nearby you, able to talk with you, able to interact with you? Able to touch you?

No, I don't think you'd be able to see them as merely characters if you had any meaningful interaction with them. It would take someone with sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies to do that.
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Nope. Stick me in an utterly foreign setting where I have none of the people that are close to me in the 'real' world and have it be a setting that is arguably a death world? I'm pretty sure I would stop at nothing to safeguard my continued existence.

Alternate Earth without fantastical elements? Yeah, I'd probably continue as normal. Crazy Earth with super powers and demons and all that? Different story altogether.

edit: I'd feel terrible about it, but I'd still do it.
 
That would probably be true at the start, but I imagine that -- given that you don't seem to be a sociopath -- your behavior would probably shift as you started to establish relationships with the individuals in that world. Even if looking-out-for-number-one remained your highest priority, I would guess that you would start treating people you get to know as people instead of as characters.
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
Nope. Stick me in an utterly foreign setting where I have none of the people that are close to me in the 'real' world and have it be a setting that is arguably a death world? I'm pretty sure I would stop at nothing to safeguard my continued existence.

Alternate Earth without fantastical elements? Yeah, I'd probably continue as normal. Crazy Earth with super powers and demons and all that? Different story altogether.

edit: I'd feel terrible about it, but I'd still do it.
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As @Coda said, I could see this being true in the beginning. But developing any sort of relationship with people, you'd begin to see them as more than the characters they come from.

It's hard not to, with basic human empathy. Plus there's probably also some sort of giddiness about being saved by Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman/whoever your favorite superhero is. Or whoever you know from the setting anyway.
 
Coda said:
given that you don't seem to be a sociopath
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Ellf said:
As @Coda said, I could see this being true in the beginning. But developing any sort of relationship with people, you'd begin to see them as more than the characters they come from.

It's hard not to, with basic human empathy. Plus there's probably also some sort of giddiness about being saved by Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman/whoever your favorite superhero is. Or whoever you know from the setting anyway.
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All joking aside, I think that to justify the continued behavior I'd start dehumanizing my opponents. Probably because I'm not a psychopath, so it'd be pretty much the only way to keep the necessary mindset of "do literally anything to not die".

All this defense of my hypothetical self insert self is really heartwarming, though. I'm glad you think I'm a better person that I do.
 
Oh, I didn't say anything about your opponents. I have no doubt that someone could continue to treat them as two-dimensional monsters instead of real people. I was talking about those who would become your friends, in counterpoint to your initial assertion that you would treat "all the people around [you] as characters".
 
finbikkifin said:
Did it get through without much editing? I was a bit late for that and didn't watch much TV anyway, but I do vaguely remember the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles.
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Pretty sure He-Man didn't get censored, but I'm not 100% sure.

The thing about Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles was that at the time the BBFC deemed anything "ninja" to be adult-related and overly violent. Hence the removal of the word "ninja" and editing anything involving Michaelangelo's nunchaku to replace it/them with the grappling hook.

Ironically, my (American) wife actually asked me about this once, because when she and her brother were young, they saw some "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtle" merchandise and assumed that it was counterfeit. She actually contacted him as soon as she could after we had the conversation to let him know that "it was real" ;)
 
GodKiller999 said:
Personally I just tend to underestimate people ability to act like stoic monsters, humans aren't really programmed this way.
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I don't think it's about being a stoic monster, though. I'm not claiming that I'd be Hyper Competent Super Pragmatic Bob-Chan. I just acknowledge that I am a selfish, flawed individual that would terrified by finding myself in one of those fantastical settings and would freak out in a not good way.
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
I don't think it's about being a stoic monster, though. I'm not claiming that I'd be Hyper Competent Super Pragmatic Bob-Chan. I just acknowledge that I am a selfish, flawed individual that would terrified by finding myself in one of those fantastical settings and would freak out in a not good way.
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Sure at first, but I doubt you'd be able to keep at it and stay sane.
 
Well, if -I- ended up SI'd somewhere, I -would- be a super stoic unstoppable badass.

I'd beat up everyone who was mean to me, or who called me names, and no one would ever hurt me and I'd never be sad and you can all come be my SI friends so I don't have to be alone...
 
Silverias said:
Well, if -I- ended up SI'd somewhere, I -would- be a super stoic unstoppable badass.

I'd beat up everyone who was mean to me, or who called me names, and no one would ever hurt me and I'd never be sad and you can all come be my SI friends so I don't have to be alone...
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Aw, don't be sad Silverias; your SI can come work for my SI! Evil: we're always hiring!
 
If I were SI'd somewhere (as a normal human), I'd immediately try to find the protagonists and tell them everything I know. Or at least try to, before trying to live as normal a life as possible. I'm already butterflying away the plot just by existing, most likely, so you know what? Better safe than sorry.

SI'd to Young Justice? Try to work as a dishwasher for a few days, get a taxi to Wayne Manor. 'Hi, Alfred. I'd like to ask you a few questions about Mr. Wayne's nightlife?' Then tell him literally everything I remember about the DC Universe. Volunteer to have J'onn read my mind for further memories. There's nothing illegal in there. Taboo, maybe, but you know what, Martian Manhunter already thinks human porn is weird, so whatever. Make myself as helpful as possible, then have Bruce set me up with a home and a security guard in, like, Des Moines or Tallahassee. Somewhere without fucking superheroes. Or maybe go to that magic academy in Indonesia, if I have the potential for it.

I'm a useless baseline human. My knowledge is all I have, and I'm in a deathworld. Make myself as useful and as open as possible to people I trust and admire.
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
I don't think it's about being a stoic monster, though. I'm not claiming that I'd be Hyper Competent Super Pragmatic Bob-Chan. I just acknowledge that I am a selfish, flawed individual that would terrified by finding myself in one of those fantastical settings and would freak out in a not good way.
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*huggles*
i dunno. there's better then even odds of you surprising yourself in that situation.
 
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