Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
Poor is just barely enough to support a city levy? Huh. Additional warships will be to our advantages, but the problem is that it simply costs money that could go to prepping for the war against the Black Sheep.
How does our general feel about contesting Tinshore's levy with just the army and the banner company?
- Location
- Minnesota
I like this plan best except for the double infiltration, could you be convinced to swap at least on of them for a sell bombards action?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
If Tinshore's city levy was poorly led and the weather was with him, Dafydd would give himself 50/50 odds.
I meant a delaying action until the warships are built to support the invasion. But if that is how Dafydd feels about it, I am not liking our odds. Tinshore will immediately escalate to levy.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Maybe not. Tinshore is a lot poorer than you are. They aren't able to support a city levy as easily as you. It is entirely possible that they will only resort to a city levy is they start losing.
Technology spread, yes. People may indeed recruit our craftsmen. However, our advantage was never based on something as ephemeral as having the most advanced technology.
The Guilds are what they are because of deep investment in our forests and our industry. We are so good at what we do that we sucks the air out of our competitors. Eventually, somebody may very well overtake us, but not today.
This is a dicey situation, and there's no way for us to speed up shipbuilding?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Nope. The ships will be finished when they are finished.
Would it be posible to rent the cargo lift we need from a navy that's sitting around on it's hands? The Khem navy waiting out the civil war in Cyprus for example. How well are they managing to pay the salaries of their commanding officers and would they potentially be interested in renting out their services?
Where did you get the idea?
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Plan War Chest
-[X] Authority: Honor of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Sell Bombards, Khem: The Khemetri seem to really like buying bombards from you. See if they want some more. (70%. 1 year. Profitable)
--[X] Rebel Alliance
-[X] Influence: Sell Bombards, Vynta: Vynta has just gotten into a war. Do they want more bombards? (70%. 1 Year. Profitable.)
-[X] Influence: Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)
-[X] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
--[X] Authority: Honor of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
I very much want to take the best chance at getting Tinshore back peacefully, but I don't like the multiple unknown duration influence commitments the other plan that does the authority+personal attention combo is making. I also agree with @Oshha that now is the optimal time to be founding a Banner Company.
-[X] Authority: Honor of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Sell Bombards, Khem: The Khemetri seem to really like buying bombards from you. See if they want some more. (70%. 1 year. Profitable)
--[X] Rebel Alliance
-[X] Influence: Sell Bombards, Vynta: Vynta has just gotten into a war. Do they want more bombards? (70%. 1 Year. Profitable.)
-[X] Influence: Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)
-[X] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
--[X] Authority: Honor of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
I very much want to take the best chance at getting Tinshore back peacefully, but I don't like the multiple unknown duration influence commitments the other plan that does the authority+personal attention combo is making. I also agree with @Oshha that now is the optimal time to be founding a Banner Company.
We've been putting off infiltration for a couple of years now and we're not sure how long it will take to get useful intelligence out so best to do it as far in advance of the next open war as we can. Plus Styrmyr is sending pirates to raid us and the Black Sheep are still sending raiding parties - it may be below the abstraction layer in terms of mechanical effects but narratively intelligence lets us counter them more effectively which would be very welcome. Ambushing pirates might even help our shipping capacity.
[X] Plan Intriguing Maximilian
-[X] Authority: Sell Bombards, Khem: The Khemetri seem to really like buying bombards from you. See if they want some more. (70%. 1 year. Profitable)
--[X] Rebel Alliance
-[X] Influence: Honour of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Ealam: Who are the Ealam and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Infiltration, Black Sheep: You can't imagine the People of the Thunder Plateau are happy to be under nomad bootheel. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
This is the same as Plan Oshha but infiltrating the Black Sheep instead of founding a new Banner Company, I think now, when Maximilian's allegiances are most fragile due to his defeat, would be the best time to slip in and set some fires. It's even plausible that the requirements here are lower than they would be at other times.
This also reduces the shock to our finances. We need 2 Treasury worth of military buildup, at the end of the war, in order to appease our Revaunchists (this could be up to 3 Treasury if it's close to a tax year). This plan leaves us with 2.6 Treasury next year (rather than 1 Treasury if it's invested in the Banner Company), enough to spend 1 Treasury on a City Levy, if it becomes necessary, and still comfortably make up the difference.
There are other tempting variations of the plan: working overtime to diplomance Ruma so that we can sell bombards to both factions. But, with the new revelations that Tinshore liberation might naturally drag on longer than expected, we can just do it in our ordinary turns. (Though, the fact that our Dragon General thinks he can 50/50 beat their City Levy is not a good sign there.)
By all rights, I should put more emphasis on a diplomatic solution (Authority and/or personal attention on Honour of Elites). Tinshore are the ones most likely to accept one, due to the Starpox. Unfortunately, the Revaunchist pressures actually make it so that a long, dragged out war is best for our finances. It's not necessarily a bad idea regardless (especially if it works), but I don't think it's worth it.
-[X] Authority: Sell Bombards, Khem: The Khemetri seem to really like buying bombards from you. See if they want some more. (70%. 1 year. Profitable)
--[X] Rebel Alliance
-[X] Influence: Honour of Elites, Tinshore: Demand the rebels surrender and swear fealty once again to their rightful lord! (Narrative%. 1 year, +Influence, Casus Belli if failed)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Ealam: Who are the Ealam and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Infiltration, Black Sheep: You can't imagine the People of the Thunder Plateau are happy to be under nomad bootheel. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
This is the same as Plan Oshha but infiltrating the Black Sheep instead of founding a new Banner Company, I think now, when Maximilian's allegiances are most fragile due to his defeat, would be the best time to slip in and set some fires. It's even plausible that the requirements here are lower than they would be at other times.
This also reduces the shock to our finances. We need 2 Treasury worth of military buildup, at the end of the war, in order to appease our Revaunchists (this could be up to 3 Treasury if it's close to a tax year). This plan leaves us with 2.6 Treasury next year (rather than 1 Treasury if it's invested in the Banner Company), enough to spend 1 Treasury on a City Levy, if it becomes necessary, and still comfortably make up the difference.
There are other tempting variations of the plan: working overtime to diplomance Ruma so that we can sell bombards to both factions. But, with the new revelations that Tinshore liberation might naturally drag on longer than expected, we can just do it in our ordinary turns. (Though, the fact that our Dragon General thinks he can 50/50 beat their City Levy is not a good sign there.)
By all rights, I should put more emphasis on a diplomatic solution (Authority and/or personal attention on Honour of Elites). Tinshore are the ones most likely to accept one, due to the Starpox. Unfortunately, the Revaunchist pressures actually make it so that a long, dragged out war is best for our finances. It's not necessarily a bad idea regardless (especially if it works), but I don't think it's worth it.
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It's essentially what we did to take Trelli, but with less combat and longer time.
And they ARE essentially sitting and not doing anything. I would be happy to fork over some treasury to enable us to simply have the navy we need to support our war on Tinshore.
Even if we had to go to the Khem first son's faction and give him free bombards and treasury I think they may just take the deal. He needs guns and treasury and his navy is sitting out the war.
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Spending more Treasury to make the war shorter (which would further strain our Treasury) is a bad idea. Having a slower-burn, longer war is already best for our finances.
One alternative would be to go all-in on a Khemetri faction and, assuming they win near-immediately, they might then ally us/provide their ships out of gratitude. It would cost multiple actions, however, and we don't know if they actually would win that quickly.
One alternative would be to go all-in on a Khemetri faction and, assuming they win near-immediately, they might then ally us/provide their ships out of gratitude. It would cost multiple actions, however, and we don't know if they actually would win that quickly.
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You mean the Khem civil war right? We want our wars over quickly.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
While I mostly agree, it would be preferable to losing the war and even if we don't take it, I am curious about whether or not the option is viable.
Banner companies are cheaper then levies. If they could win wars on our own, I would prefer to use them.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
They are talking about hiring the Khem navy for naval support, not founding a Banner Company.
No we don't. It's a little counter-intuitive.
(TLDR: The Revaunchists are satisfied during a war without our having to spend 2 Treasury on military buildup, and our actions during that same war can go into raising more Treasury. Also, the guilds give us +1 Treasury every two turns, which increases our stockpile the longer it goes.
A long (but victorious) war where we don't have to spend much is the most efficient way to satisfy our Revaunchists. The Revaunchists are the issue.)
It also seems like our general is of the opinion that our army and our banner company would lose to the Tinshore levi unless they got REALLY lucky. Unless we can field 3-4 banner companies banner companies are not going to be a replacement for levi.
Levi actions are apparently much stronger actions than a lords army action.
Every year we are in war is a year that Tinshore could raise their levi and knock us over unless we raise ours and we can't raise ours due to a lack of navy.
I don't trust them not to hit the "Win war" button even if it hurts them deeply on the economy side.
I do not want to see what our Revanchists do if the king loses a war for our clay.
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Actually, he said there was a 50/50 chance of "contesting" them (on second glance, I'm not sure if that means winning). But it does say something about the sorry state of their levy.
I guess that is a concern...
Since
But I'm not sure if our characters are on the same page about prolonging the war as we are.
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So why is everyone interesting in backing the Khem rebels rather than... uh, whatever the other faction is?