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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)

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Themarineguy said:
...I am actually curious. Us forming city levy only eats funds to form. So that us either they need to bring up replacement levy's far too often, or/and their wealth level is low enough that the levy upkeep costs does not fall under abstraction... 🤔
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Well, we do know that the other Ymaryn Successor states are weak enough that they would operate under a more conventional CK2 system rather than a 'you are a superpower system' like the Core.
Aranfan — 12/12/2020
ngl, if you hadn't picked the core I probably would have used a ck2 system
but you picked the core so I used Imrix's "you are a superpower" system
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So it stands to reason that they have to pay upkeep for their military while we are rich enough that only the biggest expenditures are significant enough for us to track. Such as recruiting and equipping a City Levy or paying the upkeep for the Mass Levy.
 
I worry about spending treasury without serious need.
Themarineguy said:
...I am actually curious. Us forming city levy only eats funds to form. So that us either they need to bring up replacement levy's far too often, or/and their wealth level is low enough that the levy upkeep costs does not fall under abstraction... 🤔
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A city levi is 100k men. They had to raise 3,and then keep those numbers despite losses. Up to this point we have sent numbers in sorta fire and forget with no reinforcement stream.
 
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...I am honestly not sure just how big a deal 1 wealth is for the other nations. Which is also hilariously fitting considering just how out of touch we are with the world.:lol::rofl:
 
[X] If they aren't attacking there is no point spending lives to dig them out. (Peahens strengthened)
 
Aranfan said:
This is intentional. The income change will occur once administrative control is reestablished.
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Ah, cool! That increases our buffer by a bit. Thanks for the clarification.

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This increases our sure timeline until 1623 as our latest demobilization year, due partially to the probable -1.7 income shock in 1625 (along with needing a 0.5 Treasury buffer for demobilization).

Updated Treasury projections:

1619: 3.3 (-1 Treasury for Support Thunder Plateau, -1 for Mass Levy)
1620: 3.6 (+0.3 income, net 0 for Mass Levy)
1621: 2.6 (-1 for Mass Levy)
1622: 2.6
1623: 1.6
1624: 1.6
1625: 0.2 even without Mass Levy (-1.7 income shock, +0.3 income); -0.8 with Mass Levy

By contrast, if demobilizing in 1623 (and assuming in the worse case that the -1 Mass Levy and -0.5 demobilization are both active that year):

1623: 1.1
1624: 1.6
1625: 0.2

That being said, this is a conservative projection. We're likely to get income from Western Wall (though may have to support it too, so it might cancel out). In the worst case, we can scrounge up money from somewhere as long as we have forewarning.
 
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noncannon said:
Edit: this is largely invalidated by below. We have a buffer until 1623, I think.

Aiding Thunder Plateau brings us down to 4.3 Treasury, and the -1.4 income tick (assuming we haven't taken Western Wall by 1620) brings us down to 2.9 Treasury, which means we must demobilize in 1621 at latest, with a 0.9 Treasury buffer:

Projected Treasury
1619: 3.3 (-1 Treasury for Support Thunder Plateau, -1 for Mass Levy)
1620: 1.9 (-1.4 income, net 0 for Mass Levy)
1621: 0.9 (-1 for Mass Levy)

(Demobilization needs 1 Treasury, of which at least a 0.5 Treasury buffer is needed; and more demobilization follow-ups may be needed.)

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@Aranfan: front-page income is still at +0.3 (unless this is intentional)
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Does demobilization automatically save us money?
 
[] Demobilize: The Mass Levy has been active long enough. Demobilize them and give the veterans the training they need to reintegrate into civilian society. (60%, 2 years, .5 per year)

So does it costs us only 1 treasury to demobilize everybody?
 
it's cheaper than I thought. Unfortunately it means that we can't demobilize part of our troops while we're still at war.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
So long as we hit the 60% every time, so luck or authority.
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Damn, I didn't even consider that. So we'll need to save up an Authority dice for demobilization, or else demobilization costs an estimated 1 * (1/60%) = 1.66 Treasury (and would be an unpredictable cost besides; do not want).

This probably rules out using the remaining Authority dice on Sacred Warding.

Though, two Influence dice on demobilization may work.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
I estimate for most of them it represents 10 years worth of income or so based on how hard income is to come by.
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...In other words, a negaquest is probably liking at our insane trade deals and loans wondering why the hell we seem to treat unimaginable wealth like water...:lol::rofl:
"They routinely give trade deals of HOW MUCH!?!?!?"
Well, at least that explains the relationship impacts of our trade actions, because the sheer amount of money is worth a lot more than what we think...
Aranfan said:
[] Submit (20 Prestige transferred to KMT, -.2 Treasury, -4 Influence, -1 Authority, Revaunchists gravely weakened, personal action unavailable next turn)
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And this may NOT have been a token tribute. Just we are so darn rich and oblivious of that we assume it was a token tribute!:lol::rofl:
 
Themarineguy said:
And this may NOT have been a token tribute. Just we are so darn rich and oblivious of that we assume it was a token tribute!:lol::rofl:
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Hellas was demanding 1 Treasury, and we ourselves could have demanded 1 Treasury from Hellas for reparations, so I imagine this isn't too unusual (if a bit punishing) and that 0.2 Treasury is a token (though the Khem might see it more like we see 1 Treasury, for all we know).

Unless our diplomats really did drop the ball, and "that's more money than even exists in Hellas!"

Ymaryn: "Well, you caught us. What are your demands?"
Hellas: "Our demands? Our demands, to those who spit on the glory of the Hellenic League? We will give you peace for the price of... one hundred BILLLLLION DOLLARS"
Ymaryn: "Ok. Now go away."
 
It was a token tribute because Namar had a damn good idea we were that rich, and that we had the cash on hand because the loans were public enough to reduce our prestige.

Western Wall meanwhile not only has to pay for 3 city levies worth of soldiers, it has to take those people out of a smaller population and economy than ours, it's suffered the economic damage of having the war happen on its territory and it's grown steadily more economically isolated over the last 20 years as we've taken control of the Ylthon Mor. We'd run out of cash too if our only opportunities for trade or finance were with Novgorod minors.
 
0.2 Treasury is probably a relatively token tribute. For us, it is very little, but the fact it is still significant enough for us to register means that it would still be a meaningful amount for any non-superpower nation. So for us, it is token tribute, but it wouldn't be a token amount for anyone else apart from the Hung.
 
[X] If they aren't attacking there is no point spending lives to dig them out. (Peahens strengthened)
 
noncannon said:
Unless our diplomats really did drop the ball, and "that's more money than even exists in Hellas!"
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I mean, not to that crazy an extent. But Hellas was definitely demanding what was to them an outrageous sum.

The Melkut Ymaryn is rich beyond measure. They have been draining specie from the rest of afro-eurasia for almost 2000 years, and haven't been losing it in stupid wars. Only the Hung really operate on the same level, although Kus as a whole makes enough stuff that their balance of trade with the Ymaryn is pretty even.
 
noncannon said:
Hellas was demanding 1 Treasury, and we ourselves could have demanded 1 Treasury from Hellas for reparations, so I imagine this isn't too unusual (if a bit punishing) and that 0.2 Treasury is a token (though the Khem might see it more like we see 1 Treasury, for all we know).

Unless our diplomats really did drop the ball, and "that's more money than even exists in Hellas!"

Ymaryn: "Well, you caught us. What are your demands?"
Hellas: "Our demands? Our demands, to those who spit on the glory of the Hellenic League? We will give you peace for the price of... one hundred BILLLLLION DOLLARS"
Ymaryn: "Ok. Now go away."
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I have to say that I don't really care for having our 1 treasury back except to think the Hellas are a constant thorn on our neck. If they stop having ambitions about taking Trelli or getting into scuffles with us, that's fine with me.

Not sure if we can turn them into a friendly power with our relationship being low as it is.
 
Themarineguy said:
...In other words, a negaquest is probably liking at our insane trade deals and loans wondering why the hell we seem to treat unimaginable wealth like water...:lol::rofl:
"They routinely give trade deals of HOW MUCH!?!?!?"
Well, at least that explains the relationship impacts of our trade actions, because the sheer amount of money is worth a lot more than what we think...

And this may NOT have been a token tribute. Just we are so darn rich and oblivious of that we assume it was a token tribute!:lol::rofl:
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And we are going around selling 1 treasury worth of bombards every so often... Maybe that's alot more bombards than we think?

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Oshha said:
0.2 Treasury is probably a relatively token tribute. For us, it is very little, but the fact it is still significant enough for us to register means that it would still be a meaningful amount for any non-superpower nation. So for us, it is token tribute, but it wouldn't be a token amount for anyone else apart from the Hung.
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Though if we somehow get mugged by a complete minnow and they demand 0.2 treasury because they cannot conceive of anyone having so much treasure they measure it in whole numbers, that's not a token tribute, just an underpriced one.
 
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