Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
Turn 24 (1617 Andyidh Dyadorn)
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Turn 24 (1617 Andyidh Dyadorn)
The Revanchists howl. You understand the feeling, signing this treaty feels like losing. Yet you must. You cannot sustain a war on so many fronts. So you sign it. The "reparations" are sent over, and the tariffs adjusted. The workload on the bureaucrats is reduced to a manageable level.
Total Dice: 7 Influence, 2 Authority
Committed: 5 Influence, 0 Authority
Available Dice: 2 Influence, 2 Authority
Martial:
War Mission: Send the army to fight enemies. Can only be taken once per turn for any given enemy. (95%. 1 Year. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on the result.)
-Write in Targets, one per influence
[] City Levy: Gather up some of the excess population in the cities and throw them at an enemy. Can only be taken once per turn for any given enemy. (90%. 1 Year. Expensive. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on the result.)
-Write in Targets, one per influence
[] Activate The Mass Levy!: Arm and mobilize up to a million soldiers. The earth quakes at your approach. None can stand against the might of The People. (85%. 1 year. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on result. Unsustainably expensive)
-Write in Targets, may choose as many as you like
Unavailable while the Mass Levy is active
[] Shift Deployment: The Mass Levy is large and unwieldy. Changing circumstances require a shift in deployment patterns. (80%, 1 year, Deployment shifted, malus to war rolls if failed)
[] Construct Warships, Redshore: With unified control of the Yllython shattered, there are going to be pirates and rebels in the sea closest to the core. The people need to build warships to suppress pirates and fight enemies. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, New Blackmouth: The shipyards of New Blackmouth are once more ready and operational. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Trelli: You once more have Trelli. Its dockyards and shipyards are robust and capable. With those facilities you can build even more warships. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Salt Sea: You now share a sea with the Black Sheep. They will surely send foes by sea as well as land if they wish to achieve their ambition of displacing you. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Harmurri Gulf: Do you really need warships on the Monsoon Sea? The trade there is quite civilized with much less piracy than on the Saffron Sea. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)
Diplomacy:
[] Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-Write in who to seek loan from, requires at least 5/10 opinion, may be taken more than once
[] Diplomatic Contact, Highlanders: What have the Highlanders gotten up to in these last thousand years? Do you even care so long as they stay in their hills? (???% 1 Year. Possible -Influence)
[] Diplomatic Contact, Pulska: Who are the Pules and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
[] Sell Weapons: It turns out an easy way to make a lot of money quickly is to sell weapons to countries who are at, or planing to go to, war. (Variable Success, 1 year, Profitable, may be taken multiple times with different targets who must be either a major power or the minors of a region)
-write in target
[] Negotiate Trade Deal: In the cutthroat world of commerce it is said that for one to benefit another must lose. Even so, it might be worthwhile to formalize trade deals with various powers. (85%. 1 Year. +.1 Income and -1 Opinion if Prestige > Target or -.1 Income and +1 Opinion if Prestige < Target, may pay 1 prestige to give a favorable deal to a less prestigious state, may be taken multiple times with different targets, possible opinion effects on third parties)
-Write in target
--Khem on Cooldown until 1618
Seek Western Wall's Surrender Insufficient victories
[] Seek Black Sheep's Surrender: You have been winning the war, see if the Black Sheep are willing to give more acceptable terms for their surrender. (Narrative%, 1 year)
[] Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels: Establish formal diplomatic ties with the rebels in the Thunder Plateau. If you can absorb them diplomatically back into the kingdom, it would greatly speed the reunification timeline. (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
Admin:
[] Demobilize: The Mass Levy has been active long enough. Demobilize them and give the veterans the training they need to reintegrate into civilian society. (60%, 2 years, .5 per year)
[] Math Reform: The Kus have made advances in the notation of mathematics beyond the wildest dreams of the people. Not to mention the substance of math. "Zero"… it will change everything once people get a handle on it. If you were to institute reforms that changed the Melkut Ymaryn to the superior Kus system of math, then there would be immense savings simply from more precise ability to keep track of things. Of course, until the bureaucracy got a hang of the new numbers, it would be pure chaos. (43%. 5 Years. Extremely Expensive, -1 Authority immediately, +1 Income)
[] Survey Hathytta Province: Hathytta has long been the center of your mining industries. Many enterprising citizens will even try to survey and find valuable resources on their own initiative. Still, the land is rich and another survey can do no harm. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
-On cool-down until turn 31
[] Survey Txolla Province: Txolla has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use on the floodplains. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Tinshore Province: Tinshore has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Core: The Core has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Stallion Province: Stallion Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Memory of Spirits Province: Memory of Spirits has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Greenshore Province: Greenshore Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Develop Wagon Ways, Stonepen: Stonepen was always the smallest of your great cities, as it did not have an easily navigable waterway to help feed it. With wagonways, such as you have in mines and in the great cities of Redshore and Trelli, it would be possible to roughly quadruple the ammount of goods shipped to and from Stonepen. (55%. 4 years. Very Expensive, +.1 Income, +15% on Wagonways Megaprojects)
[] Support Province: Give one of the provinces considerable sums of money to assist in their current infrastructural projects. (85%, 1 Year, Expensive, +Province Loyalty)
-Write in which province
Train Thunder Plateau Administrators, Elective: Long ago, in the oldest laws, nobles were elected and gentry appointed by the nobles. Even now, the legitimization ceremonies of the nobility involve leaders of the places they administer giving consent to their authority. The families with the greatest aptitude naturally rose to the top and their ability recognized to the point where the elections eventually became a formality that was done away with by the Dragon King. With the former nobility of Thunder Plateau… erased it may be wise to implement the system of the Ancients, at least until the best families have revealed themselves. (70%, Length of Thunder Plateau Campaign+2 years, possible -1 Influence, ability to reestablish administrative control of Thunder Plateau. Mutually exclusive with Appointive) In Progress
Intrigue:
[] Establish Spy Network: Establish a spy network in one of the places you have diplomatic contact with. (33%. 3 Years. Fails entirely if it fails once. Unlocks options. May be taken multiple times, but only with different targets.)
-Write in Target
[] Determine Internal Factions: Receive a dossier on the relevant internal factions of a polity you have diplomatic relations with. This will allow you to support or oppose their internal factions to be more favorable to your interests.
-[] Write in a polity you have diplomatic relations with, may be taken more then once with different targets for each time the action is taken.
[] Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall: The right man in the right place can make all the difference in the world. Ensure that the men in the right place are your men. (??%, ? Years, ???)
[] Assassinate Faction Leaders: Assassinate the leaders of political factions that have been identified in foreign polities.
[] Fund Faction: Fund a faction in a foreign polity that has been identified.
Mysticism:
[] Spreading the Warding, Abyss: The land of Abyss seems to be a robust and centralized state. It can be trusted with the knowledge of the Sacred Warding. Fighting the starpox is always desirable. (50%. 5 Years. +1 Abyss Opinion, possible +1 Abyss Opinion. Starpox fought.)
Spreading the Warding, Amber Road: Amber Road lost their herds when the Great Khan rolled through. However, the institutions they have been building are robust. It would be quite simple to restore the warding to them. (75%. 4 years. +Amber Road Opinion. Starpox fought)
[] Spreading the Warding, Pamplona: Pamplona has established a robust enough bureaucracy that they can be trusted with the Sacred Warding. Give it to them to continue Bynwyn's work. (50%. 4 years. +Pamplona Opinion. Starpox fought.)
[] Calendar Reform: The calendar adopted from the Khemetri in the wake of the Godfist has the disadvantage that the year shifts, losing a day every four years. It had been planned that once a full rotation had been completed, there would be a reform that adds an extra day every four years. However, the Collapse serves as an important enough event that a new calendar that begins at the end of the collapse would be warranted and allow the reform to occur thousands of years ahead of schedule. (60%, 3 years, +1 Influence, better calendar)
FREE ACTIONS:
[] Rent out Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be rented out for a five year term. (Profitable).
[] Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.
[] Shift Banner Companies between fronts: Banner Companies may be shifted between active fronts and reserves as a free action while the Mass Levy is active.
[] Uncommit: Influence from Black Sheep Sleeper Cells.
MEGAPROJECTS:
Greenhouses: The Kings of old built a number of grand greenhouses to tend exotic plants from far away, so that they could be studied and for their own enjoyment. Most of these greenhouses were smashed by the Great Khan. Restore them. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)
Signal Towers: One of the issues that always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. It would be possible to set up signal relay towers along the way, which would greatly speed up messaging between the Plateau and the Core. It would take a lot of precision glasswork for the spyglasses, however. (Authority + 75%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)
Wagonways, Thunder Plateau: One of the issues that has always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. The transportation of goods especially suffered from this. However, it is possible to remedy this. There are rails used in the mines to ease transportation, and such things are also used in the Great Docks of Redshore. It would be possible to make rails of iron to vastly improve the carrying capacity of the horse wagons. However, this would require truly vast amounts of iron. (Authority + 50%, 25 years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, Expensive)
Reform THE LAW: It has been a very long time since the last time the Law was compiled and streamlined. There has been much accumulation of loopholes, drifts, and patching as the times changed. The current law is confusing and difficult and in many ways outdated. It should be simplified, updated for the current age, and recodified. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, +1 Authority on completion)
Personal Action (Choose One):
[] Work Overtime (+1 temp Influence, +Stress)
[] Relax with Family (-Stress)
[] Catch up on the latest plays and theological debates (-Stress)
[] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
-[] Write in Action
Voting is by plan.
Two Hour Moratorium.
[X] Accept this humiliation [-1 Treasury, -.1 Income, -1 Influence, -3 Prestige]
The Revanchists howl. You understand the feeling, signing this treaty feels like losing. Yet you must. You cannot sustain a war on so many fronts. So you sign it. The "reparations" are sent over, and the tariffs adjusted. The workload on the bureaucrats is reduced to a manageable level.
Total Dice: 7 Influence, 2 Authority
Committed: 5 Influence, 0 Authority
Available Dice: 2 Influence, 2 Authority
Martial:
-Write in Targets, one per influence
[] City Levy: Gather up some of the excess population in the cities and throw them at an enemy. Can only be taken once per turn for any given enemy. (90%. 1 Year. Expensive. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on the result.)
-Write in Targets, one per influence
[] Activate The Mass Levy!: Arm and mobilize up to a million soldiers. The earth quakes at your approach. None can stand against the might of The People. (85%. 1 year. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on result. Unsustainably expensive)
-Write in Targets, may choose as many as you like
Unavailable while the Mass Levy is active
[] Shift Deployment: The Mass Levy is large and unwieldy. Changing circumstances require a shift in deployment patterns. (80%, 1 year, Deployment shifted, malus to war rolls if failed)
[] Construct Warships, Redshore: With unified control of the Yllython shattered, there are going to be pirates and rebels in the sea closest to the core. The people need to build warships to suppress pirates and fight enemies. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, New Blackmouth: The shipyards of New Blackmouth are once more ready and operational. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Trelli: You once more have Trelli. Its dockyards and shipyards are robust and capable. With those facilities you can build even more warships. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Salt Sea: You now share a sea with the Black Sheep. They will surely send foes by sea as well as land if they wish to achieve their ambition of displacing you. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Construct Warships, Harmurri Gulf: Do you really need warships on the Monsoon Sea? The trade there is quite civilized with much less piracy than on the Saffron Sea. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
[] Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)
Diplomacy:
[] Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-Write in who to seek loan from, requires at least 5/10 opinion, may be taken more than once
[] Diplomatic Contact, Highlanders: What have the Highlanders gotten up to in these last thousand years? Do you even care so long as they stay in their hills? (???% 1 Year. Possible -Influence)
[] Diplomatic Contact, Pulska: Who are the Pules and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
[] Sell Weapons: It turns out an easy way to make a lot of money quickly is to sell weapons to countries who are at, or planing to go to, war. (Variable Success, 1 year, Profitable, may be taken multiple times with different targets who must be either a major power or the minors of a region)
-write in target
[] Negotiate Trade Deal: In the cutthroat world of commerce it is said that for one to benefit another must lose. Even so, it might be worthwhile to formalize trade deals with various powers. (85%. 1 Year. +.1 Income and -1 Opinion if Prestige > Target or -.1 Income and +1 Opinion if Prestige < Target, may pay 1 prestige to give a favorable deal to a less prestigious state, may be taken multiple times with different targets, possible opinion effects on third parties)
-Write in target
--Khem on Cooldown until 1618
[] Seek Black Sheep's Surrender: You have been winning the war, see if the Black Sheep are willing to give more acceptable terms for their surrender. (Narrative%, 1 year)
[] Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels: Establish formal diplomatic ties with the rebels in the Thunder Plateau. If you can absorb them diplomatically back into the kingdom, it would greatly speed the reunification timeline. (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
Admin:
[] Demobilize: The Mass Levy has been active long enough. Demobilize them and give the veterans the training they need to reintegrate into civilian society. (60%, 2 years, .5 per year)
[] Math Reform: The Kus have made advances in the notation of mathematics beyond the wildest dreams of the people. Not to mention the substance of math. "Zero"… it will change everything once people get a handle on it. If you were to institute reforms that changed the Melkut Ymaryn to the superior Kus system of math, then there would be immense savings simply from more precise ability to keep track of things. Of course, until the bureaucracy got a hang of the new numbers, it would be pure chaos. (43%. 5 Years. Extremely Expensive, -1 Authority immediately, +1 Income)
[] Survey Hathytta Province: Hathytta has long been the center of your mining industries. Many enterprising citizens will even try to survey and find valuable resources on their own initiative. Still, the land is rich and another survey can do no harm. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
-On cool-down until turn 31
[] Survey Txolla Province: Txolla has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use on the floodplains. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Tinshore Province: Tinshore has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Core: The Core has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Stallion Province: Stallion Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Memory of Spirits Province: Memory of Spirits has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Survey Greenshore Province: Greenshore Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
[] Develop Wagon Ways, Stonepen: Stonepen was always the smallest of your great cities, as it did not have an easily navigable waterway to help feed it. With wagonways, such as you have in mines and in the great cities of Redshore and Trelli, it would be possible to roughly quadruple the ammount of goods shipped to and from Stonepen. (55%. 4 years. Very Expensive, +.1 Income, +15% on Wagonways Megaprojects)
[] Support Province: Give one of the provinces considerable sums of money to assist in their current infrastructural projects. (85%, 1 Year, Expensive, +Province Loyalty)
-Write in which province
Intrigue:
[] Establish Spy Network: Establish a spy network in one of the places you have diplomatic contact with. (33%. 3 Years. Fails entirely if it fails once. Unlocks options. May be taken multiple times, but only with different targets.)
-Write in Target
[] Determine Internal Factions: Receive a dossier on the relevant internal factions of a polity you have diplomatic relations with. This will allow you to support or oppose their internal factions to be more favorable to your interests.
-[] Write in a polity you have diplomatic relations with, may be taken more then once with different targets for each time the action is taken.
[] Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall: The right man in the right place can make all the difference in the world. Ensure that the men in the right place are your men. (??%, ? Years, ???)
[] Assassinate Faction Leaders: Assassinate the leaders of political factions that have been identified in foreign polities.
[] Fund Faction: Fund a faction in a foreign polity that has been identified.
Mysticism:
[] Spreading the Warding, Abyss: The land of Abyss seems to be a robust and centralized state. It can be trusted with the knowledge of the Sacred Warding. Fighting the starpox is always desirable. (50%. 5 Years. +1 Abyss Opinion, possible +1 Abyss Opinion. Starpox fought.)
[] Spreading the Warding, Pamplona: Pamplona has established a robust enough bureaucracy that they can be trusted with the Sacred Warding. Give it to them to continue Bynwyn's work. (50%. 4 years. +Pamplona Opinion. Starpox fought.)
[] Calendar Reform: The calendar adopted from the Khemetri in the wake of the Godfist has the disadvantage that the year shifts, losing a day every four years. It had been planned that once a full rotation had been completed, there would be a reform that adds an extra day every four years. However, the Collapse serves as an important enough event that a new calendar that begins at the end of the collapse would be warranted and allow the reform to occur thousands of years ahead of schedule. (60%, 3 years, +1 Influence, better calendar)
FREE ACTIONS:
[] Rent out Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be rented out for a five year term. (Profitable).
[] Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.
[] Shift Banner Companies between fronts: Banner Companies may be shifted between active fronts and reserves as a free action while the Mass Levy is active.
[] Uncommit: Influence from Black Sheep Sleeper Cells.
MEGAPROJECTS:
Greenhouses: The Kings of old built a number of grand greenhouses to tend exotic plants from far away, so that they could be studied and for their own enjoyment. Most of these greenhouses were smashed by the Great Khan. Restore them. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)
Signal Towers: One of the issues that always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. It would be possible to set up signal relay towers along the way, which would greatly speed up messaging between the Plateau and the Core. It would take a lot of precision glasswork for the spyglasses, however. (Authority + 75%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)
Wagonways, Thunder Plateau: One of the issues that has always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. The transportation of goods especially suffered from this. However, it is possible to remedy this. There are rails used in the mines to ease transportation, and such things are also used in the Great Docks of Redshore. It would be possible to make rails of iron to vastly improve the carrying capacity of the horse wagons. However, this would require truly vast amounts of iron. (Authority + 50%, 25 years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, Expensive)
Reform THE LAW: It has been a very long time since the last time the Law was compiled and streamlined. There has been much accumulation of loopholes, drifts, and patching as the times changed. The current law is confusing and difficult and in many ways outdated. It should be simplified, updated for the current age, and recodified. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, +1 Authority on completion)
Personal Action (Choose One):
[] Work Overtime (+1 temp Influence, +Stress)
[] Relax with Family (-Stress)
[] Catch up on the latest plays and theological debates (-Stress)
[] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
-[] Write in Action
Voting is by plan.
Two Hour Moratorium.
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[] Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels: Establish formal diplomatic ties with the rebels in the Thunder Plateau. If you can absorb them diplomatically back into the kingdom, it would greatly speed the reunification timeline. (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
I think we should spend authority on this one.
[] Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall: The right man in the right place can make all the difference in the world. Ensure that the men in the right place are your men. (??%, ? Years, ???)
Another thing I feel we really need.
I think we should spend authority on this one.
[] Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall: The right man in the right place can make all the difference in the world. Ensure that the men in the right place are your men. (??%, ? Years, ???)
Another thing I feel we really need.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Didn't we already do this, a few turns ago? I wonder why this is still an option
Also, is there an infopost anywhere on what all the religions are and a basic overview of what they stand for? It's been a while since PoC and I didn't really pay attention to religion much there anyway.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Loans no longer cost Influence.
I want to stick an Authority upon doing this.
The questions is whether or not we want to try and make peace with the Black Sheep this turn. Given how low our prestige is relative to Khem right now (currently seven lower), I am willing to wait for now so long as we do prestige-reducing actions this turn. We also want to take an action that improves our Treasury since we will be losing 1 Treasury this turn to the Mass Levy with nothing to counter it.
I also want to try and focus on actions that take one turn so we have more Authority/Influence to work with next turn.
Agree about the authority on the rebels.
I am very much against the peace talks, though - the Black Sheep are still essentially intact currently. Making peace now would lead to a bureaucratic nightmare at best.
I think the action failed - we were basically run out of the court for being "heathens" was my impression.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Authority just means The Full Might of the Royals, right? There's no chance our king is going to head into an active warzone, right? (Similarly, we probably shouldn't put personal attention on it). I am worried, vaguely, that so openly meeting with rebels will make other countries think we'd sponsor rebels in their territory (probably true) and thus like us less.
Not if we haven't made contact with the rebels yet. We should know how to make a peace deal to help the rebels first, so we don't accidentally blunder into helping the BS beat them.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Only if you put personal attention on it.
We are not funding rebels in someone else's land. We are funding rebels in our own lands that are currently in rebelion. It's a double negative.
My prefered turn looks like 2 loans and authority spent contacting the BS rebels. A major industrial center helping would solve a number of supply issues and I am willing to pay significantly to see that happen.
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Sleeper cells, Black Sheep has been a continuing action, so Sleeper Cells, Western Wall might continue using up Authority dice if we use them. My thought is to use 1 Influence dice, not only because we don't have that many left, but because we don't want to steamroll Western Wall too quickly (it's difficult to gauge such things) in order to win both provinces at the same time.
@Aranfan: should there be an option to Repay Loan (though we wouldn't use it anytime soon)?
Also, I think we should have an extra available Authority dice, from Incite Unrest, Black Sheep completing the previous turn (unless it's a continuing action).
@Fouredged Sword There are two concerns, post-war, assuming we capitulate to the Khem:
@Aranfan: should there be an option to Repay Loan (though we wouldn't use it anytime soon)?
Also, I think we should have an extra available Authority dice, from Incite Unrest, Black Sheep completing the previous turn (unless it's a continuing action).
@Fouredged Sword There are two concerns, post-war, assuming we capitulate to the Khem:
- We still need to make the roll for the Revaunchists to be satisfied with just retaking land and not prestige. (Thankfully, we have net 3 revaunchist weakenengs and probably one more from letting not!Ukraine go.)
- Eventually, we'll catch up to Khem again. What then?
We'll need to build boats so that, the next time they come for us, our navy will be a match for theirs'. Boats are expensive, so this will delay the megaprojects.
Absolutely agreed with all this.
On the other hand having sleeper cells in WW would also be very useful.
In my opinion:
contacting rebels with authority,
establishing sleeper cells in WW with influence and
taking a loan with influence
should be the actions to take.
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I am of the opinion that we don't have influence to commit to a longterm action. I would rather increase our timelimit (+treasury, - prestiege) or work on TP (contact rebels). Short actions allow us to remain flexible.
When TP resolves WW will fall swiftly under the weight of a million man army. The plan was always to hold WW while TP is brought to heel and I see no reason to split our focus just yet.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Corrected, thank you.
We just don't have the influence or authority to spend on creating sleeper cells within the WW. I am afraid that creating a spy network was in the short term action, a mistake.
However, in the long term, it should proves useful indeed.
E: Well, with an extra authority, we might do. But I want to save the authority for a Khem action. Or use the authority to acquire some more loans.
However, in the long term, it should proves useful indeed.
E: Well, with an extra authority, we might do. But I want to save the authority for a Khem action. Or use the authority to acquire some more loans.
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A second authority opens up options though. A second authority on WW sleeper cells is something I can get behind.
The other option is the use it to pull some troops back to deal with the Highlanders. 70k off TP should solve that front and let us have a reserve again.
The other option is the use it to pull some troops back to deal with the Highlanders. 70k off TP should solve that front and let us have a reserve again.
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I would rather not lock up an Authority for that long. Don't forget that we still got an Influence locked up in the Black Sheep Sleeper Cells and the only reason that isn't two is due to the QM making a mistake and then deciding to being lenient on us when the mistake got realised.
Preliminary Plan:
Plan Stay the Intriguing Course
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Influence: Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall (??%, ? Years, ???)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: Berba (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
Two loans to give us a Treasury buffer and net lower our Prestige by 1 next turn.
We should take our first loans (where possible) from the countries with lower opinion, as those are the ones less likely to give us the benefit of a doubt when we need to come back for more. This will also give Berba (already an enemy of the Khem) an extra incentive to intervene if they fear the Khem will make us default.
I'm spreading the loans across two continents to make them seem less frequent to the locals. Next few targets are probably: Abyss, Ruma, Magyar, Vynta (not in that exact order)
Whether we should bother with sleeper cells is debatable; Western Wall citizens are far less unhappy with their current situation than the Black Sheep, and it ties up our Influence dice indefinitely. If not, a third loan from Abyss could be possible, or Funding friendly Black Sheep factions, or something else.
Redistributing the Levy is indeed possible, and should be done by next turn at the latest, to prevent possible looting. (I'm largely neutral on whether it should be done this turn.)
Plan Stay the Intriguing Course
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Influence: Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall (??%, ? Years, ???)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: Berba (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
Two loans to give us a Treasury buffer and net lower our Prestige by 1 next turn.
We should take our first loans (where possible) from the countries with lower opinion, as those are the ones less likely to give us the benefit of a doubt when we need to come back for more. This will also give Berba (already an enemy of the Khem) an extra incentive to intervene if they fear the Khem will make us default.
I'm spreading the loans across two continents to make them seem less frequent to the locals. Next few targets are probably: Abyss, Ruma, Magyar, Vynta (not in that exact order)
Whether we should bother with sleeper cells is debatable; Western Wall citizens are far less unhappy with their current situation than the Black Sheep, and it ties up our Influence dice indefinitely. If not, a third loan from Abyss could be possible, or Funding friendly Black Sheep factions, or something else.
The sleeper cells would likely tie up the Authority dice indefinitely, so we should just use an Influence dice if we want to do that.
Redistributing the Levy is indeed possible, and should be done by next turn at the latest, to prevent possible looting. (I'm largely neutral on whether it should be done this turn.)
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I think we should just borrow ALL the money.
We no longer have a bureaucracy problem. So the problem of looting is largely solved.
Plan Close a second front
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Authority: Shift Deployment: The Mass Levy is large and unwieldy. Changing circumstances require a shift in deployment patterns. (80%, 1 year, Deployment shifted, malus to war rolls if failed)
--take 70k troops from the Thunder Plateau and send them to deal with the Highlanders decisively.
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Berba (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Authority: Shift Deployment: The Mass Levy is large and unwieldy. Changing circumstances require a shift in deployment patterns. (80%, 1 year, Deployment shifted, malus to war rolls if failed)
--take 70k troops from the Thunder Plateau and send them to deal with the Highlanders decisively.
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Berba (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
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ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We have the extra 30k from Hellas, should we not just use those, instead of weakening the already slow front? Or do you want those as reserves?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[] Plan Oshha
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels: Establish formal diplomatic ties with the rebels in the Thunder Plateau. If you can absorb them diplomatically back into the kingdom, it would greatly speed the reunification timeline. (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
--[] Vynta
-[] Influence: Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall (??%, ? Years, ???)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
--[] Abyss
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
Here is my plan. Authority on making contact with the Black Sheep anti-rebels while an Influence goes to the Western Wall Sleeper Cells since I don't want to lock up an Authority in that action. An Authority goes to taking out a loan with Vynta since they like us slightly more than normal and their merchant background means that they should be rich. The final Influence goes to getting out another loan, this time with Abyss since they appear to be well-off and wealthy. Finally, the personal action is stress reducing.
This should help with both of the big fronts whilst also getting us some Treasury and reducing our Prestige. Money is needed to help pay off for the Mass Levy while we need lower prestige since we should hopefully start winning again.
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels: Establish formal diplomatic ties with the rebels in the Thunder Plateau. If you can absorb them diplomatically back into the kingdom, it would greatly speed the reunification timeline. (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
--[] Vynta
-[] Influence: Create Sleeper Cells, Western Wall (??%, ? Years, ???)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
--[] Abyss
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
Here is my plan. Authority on making contact with the Black Sheep anti-rebels while an Influence goes to the Western Wall Sleeper Cells since I don't want to lock up an Authority in that action. An Authority goes to taking out a loan with Vynta since they like us slightly more than normal and their merchant background means that they should be rich. The final Influence goes to getting out another loan, this time with Abyss since they appear to be well-off and wealthy. Finally, the personal action is stress reducing.
This should help with both of the big fronts whilst also getting us some Treasury and reducing our Prestige. Money is needed to help pay off for the Mass Levy while we need lower prestige since we should hopefully start winning again.
Plan Borrow All the Money
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Magyars (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: Abyss (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
You only need 60K men to triple the the force needed to deal with the highlanders.
-[] Authority: Establish Contact, Black Sheep Rebels (Narrative%. 1 Year. !)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Magyars (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Authority: Seek Loan: Abyss (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Influence: Seek Loan: Ealam (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)
You only need 60K men to triple the the force needed to deal with the highlanders.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Oh right, I need to update the deployment. They would automatically return to the reserves.
I strongly disagree with taking a loan from the powers with higher opinion of us first, as they're the ones more likely to give us the benefit of the doubt later. We should take our first loans from the powers with lower opinion, of which Berba is a prime target (with the second consideration that they already hate the Khem, and we're giving them an extra incentive to intervene if they fear our default).
Other than the choice of allocation, I would probably vote for something like that.
I don't really like this allocation, though. Copy+pasting my previous response to tenchifew:
Should be making a reallocation that we're okay with going back to the reserves when done (so that we need not waste an additional move). 60k + 70k are probably too many reserves.
Initial thoughts: 60k from Black Sheep (leaving them with 610k) and 15k from reserves (15k remaining), 40k to Western Wall (we'd have 310k + Banner companies, versus their 300k), 35k to Highlanders (total 65k). Reserve would end up with 80k after the Highlanders retreat.
Reasoning: we've already won major victories in the Black Sheep; now we need to catch up in Western Wall so that our progress on both fronts is about the same (we want to win at the same time, to avoid distractions during the resulting Khemetri confrontation).
Supply issue for Western Wall should also be better, including food available for purchase.
I have doubts that Stymyr can afford it, given they're still recovering from the war.
But I would be okay with a 3-loan plan in general.
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