We literally did not have a choice back then and it caused a lot of problems.
Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
We literally did not have a choice back then and it caused a lot of problems.
Also, accepting this offer should very SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the chance that we fail to unify by the deadline, which means that we won't enter a death spiral from that.
I am not sold 100% on the offered terms, but this is another important point in favor of taking them.
I am not sold 100% on the offered terms, but this is another important point in favor of taking them.
- Location
- Huezil
The deadline was for the casus belli, as we are declaring war, the casus belli will renovate itself, and will only disappear if we lose the war, or if we win it.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Eh, it just institutes a different death spiral by turning the possibility of a future civil into the certainty that there will be a future civil war and multiple of them. And putting that to one side, we are prepared and ready to fight this war while our civilisation is not set up to accommodate or deal with the changes that accepting this deal will introduce.
This choice is very much a choice of avoiding short term harm now in exchange for guaranteeing worse harm in the long term.
No, it was for taking the land hence why we had to declare war so early before it so we could leave ourselves enough time to successful take Thunder Plateau in time.
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We have a second deadline as the parts of the Black Sheep that consider themselves Ymaryn stop doing so, rendering the land unadministrateable rather than being merely expensive and hard to administrate.
But unless the war goes badly we should hit that deadline as well.
This is a good point, but how confident are we that we can actually take the Thunder Plateau within the deadline?
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Rather high at least for me. We got a veteran Martial Hero who has already beaten the Black Sheep twice when the enemy doesn't one, a absolutely massive army that the sheer size of it is giving us Prestige and military forces in reserve to either fend off unexpected attacks or to commit to the frontlines if things start to go badly. The only concern is our lack of warships and we have done our best with that.
In any case, @Aranfan how confident is Dafydd in our chances of winning?
Fairly. This was the plan from the beginning. The Western Wall sticking theirs in has complicated things, but not unduly so. We can raise far more men than we can actually deploy into the BS lands, so we have the excess required to hold the Western Wall for a while.
Other useful actions we could posibly take in the next turn.
We should talk to the Kuss about renting their navies. The Black Sheep don't seem to have much of a navy, and supplies are our biggest bottlenecks. The Kuss powers likely have navies that they can rent to us fairly risk free and they do rather like us.
It's also within the realm of possibility that they are willing to joint war dec the Black Sheep and attack from the other side. They are a mutual enemy and we DO present a great opportunity for them to trade a belligerent expansionist neighbor for a friendly trade empire without any designs on their lands.
We can afford to fight a two front war. The Black Sheep almost certainly can't.
We should talk to the Kuss about renting their navies. The Black Sheep don't seem to have much of a navy, and supplies are our biggest bottlenecks. The Kuss powers likely have navies that they can rent to us fairly risk free and they do rather like us.
It's also within the realm of possibility that they are willing to joint war dec the Black Sheep and attack from the other side. They are a mutual enemy and we DO present a great opportunity for them to trade a belligerent expansionist neighbor for a friendly trade empire without any designs on their lands.
We can afford to fight a two front war. The Black Sheep almost certainly can't.
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- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Reject (War)
[X] Reject (War)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
They were Martial Geniuses while Dafydd is 'only' a Martial Hero.
always_confused
Perpetually unwanted
- Location
- SEA
[X] Reject (War)
Actually I have a counter proposal
Suggested vote possibility - Continue negotiation.
If the Black Sheep can be pulled into negotiation for a year we can use the mass levi to crush the Western Wall forces decisively while we stall the Black Sheep with talking. They REALLY don't want to go to war with us and we can talk terms for a year or so without unduly delaying our invasion. We flip the numbers around and send 700K troops at the Western Wall while 300K troops hold the line on the Black Sheep.
We are only going to get more navy and have a chance to pull the Kuss into the war as allies in the next year.
Suggested vote possibility - Continue negotiation.
If the Black Sheep can be pulled into negotiation for a year we can use the mass levi to crush the Western Wall forces decisively while we stall the Black Sheep with talking. They REALLY don't want to go to war with us and we can talk terms for a year or so without unduly delaying our invasion. We flip the numbers around and send 700K troops at the Western Wall while 300K troops hold the line on the Black Sheep.
We are only going to get more navy and have a chance to pull the Kuss into the war as allies in the next year.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
It's a matter of when, not if.
Either of the two would have been a match for the Great Khan. Dafydd would get clowned on unless he managed to crit like Reshemharti did.
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The problem is that if we don't accept peace now, we want to get to war as soon as possible so negotiating is worst than either peace or war unless it produces peace.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
What we don't have is feudal rights. The king hand out the land to administrators but can also take it back, and they don't make the law in their land, just apply it, which means we have a much more coherent administration.
A good comparison is the Byzantine Empire before it entered its death spiral I think. Minus the awful court intrigue and succession nightmare.
Reality? Feudalism was both miserable and really inefficient.
Yeah but that's not a death spiral. We can live with the plateau not being core anymore.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Thanks to revanchism, we cannot so it is a death spiral.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Try it and find out.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah, we cannot afford it while the Mass Levy is ongoing. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind sticking an Authority on it if we had enough spare coin.
I do want to do at least one of them when the war is over, unless our finances are totally wrecked. They are, I suspect, the two megaprojects that make the stepps profitable to administer again.
I wonder if we can get a synergy between the actions by doing both at once. The signal towers make building the rail easier. The rail makes building the towers easier.