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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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Mal-3 said:
Whatever you wanted to? I mean, I love working at anime conventions. It's exhausting, frantic, frustrating unpaid work wrangling guests and attendees and cosplayer drama nonstop for three or four whole days and I dearly love every second of it, knowing that the people I work with are badass pros and we manage to pull off the impossible every frickin' year. If I didn't have to worry about working a straight job to pay for food, rent, insurance and internet that's what I'd be doing with my life: enjoying it. Living only to work is dull misery that I'm surprised anybody's okay with.
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So you'd be fine if noone had to do any work?
I would like that to, but the thing is that these jobs HAVE to be done by SOMEONE, if people don't have to work then it won't be done in least its forced.
Living only to work DOES suck, but saying that its because the Capitalists is delusional, its that way because at least SOME jobs HAVE to be done.
Flectarn said:
Capitalists, for anything remotely substantial aren't usually risking mostly their own money, nor are they personally responsible for the companies debt.
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Your talking about the SUPER minority of capitalists. I know their the most famous, but their not the most numerous.
 
Mal-3 said:
Uh huh. Mate, I'm in this to punch plaid Nazis and slip as many science fiction references as I can into our bouncing baby socialist experiment. I ain't here to be railroaded because you've decided we chose the wrong setup. If I wanted to be shit on from on high because I'm Doing It Wrong, I can get back to posting my fanfic. (Probably should do that anyway, past due on the next chapter. Anyway.) So, you know, fair warning.
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That's exactly their point though - there'll be no "railroading because we chose the wrong setup;" all setups will have problems, but there's no objectively wrong or right choices. I'm getting pretty tired of people reading "Poptart said this option has problems" as "therefore Poptart thinks this option is wrong."
 
Rat King said:
It could be blowout for socialism, but it could also be a blowout for soc-dem.
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tbf it'd probably actually be a communist victory just because the communist block all pretty much also voted for socialism while socdem comes in second and socialism hot on its heels because the centrists picked both socdem and socialist with a bunch of solely socdem voters.
 
Ghostdevil said:
So you'd be fine if noone had to do any work?
I would like that to, but the thing is that these jobs HAVE to be done by SOMEONE, if people don't have to work then it won't be done in least its forced.
Living only to work DOES suck, but saying that its because the Capitalists is delusional, its that way because at least SOME jobs HAVE to be done.
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In a perfect world (which we are not in, sadly), yeah, I would want people to only have to do the work that they wanted to do or was strictly needed.

Of course, in a perfect world, I also think "unskilled" labor would also be better appreciated.
Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 11:54 PM, finished with 550 posts and 108 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 15, 2019 at 11:57 PM, finished with 555 posts and 109 votes.
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Rat King said:
In a perfect world (which we are not in, sadly), yeah, I would want people to only have to do the work that they wanted to do or was strictly needed.

Of course, in a perfect world, I also think "unskilled" labor would also be better appreciated.
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In a perfect world, Communism would obviously work, because nothing is actually required so a economic system is not really Needed.
 
Antix_Shadows said:
So, you think there will be a coalition between the socialists and the communists?
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More like multiple people feeling totally comfortable with a range of ideologies, and socialism hitting the middle of most people's range; like, the communist occasionally shades socialist while the socdem also occasionally shades socialist, so it looks like most people prefer socialism when it's like the majority's second choice.
 
Flectarn said:
No, I'm talking about anyone who organizes a business as anything other than a sole proprietership
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You do realize that the one taking the investment would still be taking a risk? They can't just lose that money and shrug their shoulders.
Also you realize that includes a two man operation right?
 
[X][IDEALS] Social Democrat
[X][CRUSH] None
[X][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need
[X][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
[X][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.[/QUOTE]
 
[X][IDEALS] Social Democrat: Centered around the idea that it is the state's responsibility to ensure a bare-minimum standard of living, the Social Democrats add to the New Capitalist agenda with a push for a government guarantee of adequate housing, food, and water to all citizens -- itself a fairly titanic task. It remains rooted in the fundamental ideal of private enterprise. The Social Democrats have some interest in the potential of democratized workplaces and are willing to support them in an experimental measure.
[X][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.
[X][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need
[x][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
[x][REVIEW] The new Constitution should be put to review and possible revision every thirty years.
 
You know, in the midst of all this vigorous debate it's nice to appreciate that "[CRUSH]: None" is running away with it. We may disagree on a great deal, but we stand united in the belief that the other guys deserve the freedom to make the dumb case for their fool ideology.
 
Ghostdevil said:
You do realize that the one taking the investment would still be taking a risk? They can't just lose that money and shrug their shoulders.
Also you realize that includes a two man operation right?
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They literally cannot be held personally legally responsible for that lost money.
Adhoc vote count started by Flectarn on Mar 15, 2019 at 11:59 PM, finished with 557 posts and 109 votes.
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