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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.

It's gonna suck, but supporting allies is better in this situation.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.

We need arms; we don't necessarily need these arms, specifically, and frankly I don't want to tolerate (let alone reward) such flagrant backstabbing behaviour.
 
PainRack said:
They are the major , one of THE major suppliers of American descended hardware in the market.


If we ban the company, then we need to consider going foreign like European. Which won't be a bad idea since Europe, China and Japan are likely the only other places we can get advanced gear out from.


I quoting Japan not because they our ally or aligned with us, but hey, the Great Game means you sometimes have strange bedfellows. Afterall, it's easier to stab them when they asleep. Ditto Korea
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Don't really see Japan doing it and that it would piss off the West Coast like no tomorrow if we tried to talk to them for that, but either way don't see why need to stay loyal to legacy American hardware if we can get something better or cheaper and can more easily make replacement parts with the industry we have and are will be made in time for the next Victorian war.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.

It will suck but we need to support our allies. Plus can we trust this company if they have already broken a longterm deal? what if they do it again to us.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.

The whole gist of the Source Foreign Arms result was that we have the global arms manufacturers all at our door. We can afford to give FCNY this.
 
Manowl said:
Don't really see Japan doing it and that it would piss off the West Coast like no tomorrow if we tried to talk to them for that, but either way don't see why need to stay loyal to legacy American hardware if we can get something better or cheaper and can more easily make replacement parts with the industry we have and are will be made in time for the next Victorian war.
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If we buying European, we not going to be making replacement parts.

Ditto to cheaper since Europe is also rearming.

The only question is if we can buy new advanced weapons.


To be frank, we not going to be easily make replacement parts for any 90s era or more modern gear. Victoria and Russia ensured that can't happen.

Our industrialisation is currently at the finished planning stage. We don't have the electronics, the chemicals or the advanced metallurgy to make 2020s gear.
Ammunition itself will be a HUGE project. Nitrocellulose for gunpowder will need imports from the American South and we still haven't cleared the Mississippi. And then we have to find cotton fields, which is a ?!?!?!?!?! Rumsfield exploding a tac nuke in Texas destroyed the Confederacy. Given Russian goals, there's probably small entities in the South able to connect to the global markets to sell cotton as raw resources.... But then again, maybe Victoria would have encouraged such cotton plantations under CORN.... We then run into the issue of black slavery and how that runs counter to our principles.


We do have access to salt like potash, scaling up our industries including transportation is currently part of our AP expenditure.
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We have steel, but we need the disapora to get the expert engineers and precision needed for machined shells and barrels. Hell, we haven't spent a single AP on machine tools yet. Our last turn was we laid the framework for industrialisation, let's not count our chickens before it hatch.

We are BADLY under industrialised to fight a war on our own. We NEED to buy foreign. We can import raw mats and convert them into gear but given the expense and difficulties, it might be easier to just buy the gear and focus on buying raw mats to convert into ammunition.

We cobbled an industrial base that gave us 80s era weapons to fight Victoria. This will not be sufficient to fight Russia, or even a prolonged fight against Victoria. We were running out of shells and we ran out navy ragged, using up huge quantities of coal, that we were only able to sustain because we got basing rights and etc in turn 2 n etc to support the Erie campaign.
 
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Oh, new option.

[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.

Allows the FCNY to resume their deliveries, while not completely preventing us from getting a piece.
 
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[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.
 
If they literally have only 5.56 rifles, could we send Hill 77 a Des-Plaines class worth of .30 caliber and .50 caliber machine guns? As a sign of goodwill to NY?
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
Restestsest said:
Going further with this, do we have the manufacturing capability to create new machine guns and heavy machine guns? If we do, we could shift some of our production to supplying the FCNY.
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FOXTROT_09 said:
Could we also send some captured Vick equipment? Maybe some RPGs or small mortars they had? Speaking of which, how much Vick stuff were we able to recover?
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Some of the autocannons, howitzers and SAM launchers would probably also be worthwhile gifts, if we have literally any to spare.
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We have the ability to make MGs, RPGs and howitzers, but some of this is definitely tied in to raw goods imports , be it raw mats or other secondary items used in production. We were making the Des Plane boats.


We bought our Anti Air but can we make them? Well, depends on how much we want to dedicate our industry but that hasn't been delved into yet.


The problem is this isn't what FCNY wants.
PoptartProdigy said:
A clarification: FCNY's plan is not to simply turtle, because Times Square is within artillery range of the border with Victoria. Turtling is not an option. The fortifications are there to slash the opening Victorian assault to ribbons so that FCNY can slam a counterattack a hundred miles deep into Victoria in all directions. They need a full military package. Agreeing to let them veto categories they consider absolutely critical is going to be a significant concession, because while it is conceivable they may think some things are expendable to the plan if it means they don't have to burn bridges with you, they're unlikely to decide that their fast and deep offensive will not require, say, tanks. Bear it in mind.
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So they don't just want defensive units but offensive elements. This means heavy artillery which we also want.

Drones, which we also want.

IFVs, which we desperately need. Technicals are good but they don't protect infantrymen as well as IFVs.

Tanks or armoured cars. Which we also want.

At least this bit can be negotiated. We want to attack into Victoria, that means we want tanks l.

New York can want assault guns as that can do what they want too, although shortages means we probably need assault guns n etc too. But Poptart vetoed this by directly saying NY wants tanks, we need to negotiate with them if we want to convince them otherwise. .


We captured Victorian stores and F16Vs but nobody is going to be insane enough to field BMP 1. We not Victorians.and the F16s are too valuable to give up.
 
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[x] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
- [x] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
[x] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
- [x] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
[x] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
- [x] Allow FCNY to attend the CDE as a buyer so that they can speak to other companies that are there to compete for a full-force procurement contract and will want somebody to buy their things if they can't make the sale with you. This will not be as fast as the arrangement FCNY already had, however, and it will mean that you have competition for contracts instead of being the sole buyer.
- [x] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
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