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Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

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UltimateGrr said:
I'm only passingly familiar with the setting, but isn't Iona technically below the minimum specs for manifesting a mental model, and her crew is there just to pick up the slack?
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Actually all of the I-400 to 402 submarines have more than enough capacity for Mental Models. I-400 and 402 have then because they are reconnaissance, stealth and observation units (they have some truly OP sensor systems that they can deploy and feed targeting coordinates to other Fog ships through very bad conditions or from very far away.

Iona had her sensor systems scrapped for a surprise Super-Graviton Cannon stuffed into her hull. Because aside from the power and charge-up time needed, these babies need some hefty on-the-fly calculations to A: hit the target and B: not blow up inside the ship. Bad things happen to the ship when/if their SG cannon firing sequence is disrupted. Bad things.

Generally the hard and fast rule seems to be that if the Unison Core is powerful enough to support a Mental Model on it's own, it can control a SG cannon. Though it's been shown that some heavy cruisers dump their cannon for special gear.
 
UltimateGrr said:
I'm only passingly familiar with the setting, but isn't Iona technically below the minimum specs for manifesting a mental model, and her crew is there just to pick up the slack? As a BC or BB hull, shouldn't Taylor have sufficient processing power to maintain a mental model and still be combat effective at the same time? Especially since she has an unrestricted QA slaved as a secondary processing unit?
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To add a little data on the subject that hasn't been: There is one ship I know capable of a mental model that does hit processing limits should it have one: Zolf's I-2500, (If I recall the designation correctly) and then because the mental model was forbidden in order to minmax the amount of option ships they had available. Something the use of crew likewise helped with.
 
The Phoenixian said:
To add a little data on the subject that hasn't been: There is one ship I know capable of a mental model that does hit processing limits should it have one: Zolf's I-2500, (If I recall the designation correctly) and then because the mental model was forbidden in order to minmax the amount of option ships they had available. Something the use of crew likewise helped with.
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IIRC, the strain of supporting a Model isnt the problem. Her captain is just an asshole who seems to have something against mental models. Maybe it was just me, but his reason of "the ship cant spare the power" was more of a convenient excuse
 
Metallix666 said:
IIRC, the strain of supporting a Model isnt the problem. Her captain is just an asshole who seems to have something against mental models. Maybe it was just me, but his reason of "the ship cant spare the power" was more of a convenient excuse
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There A LOT of in-story inconsistency with U-2501.
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But I think that it's true that having a Mental Model WILL have big decrease in performance. Destroyer Union Core IS weak.

On the other hand, i have no idea how can it run Mirror Ring system. Musashi donates processor time for it specifically? It has inbuilt processor?
Also, U-2501 is submarine that was launched before WW2. Why Chihaya Shouzou needed to create new one from a destroyer?
 
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Stahor said:
There A LOT of in-story inconsistency with U-2501.

But I thinks that it's true that having a Mental Model WILL have big decrease in performance. Destroyer Union Core IS weak.

On the other hand, i have no idea how can it run Mirror Ring system. Musashi donates processor time for it specifically? It has inbuilt processor?
Also, U-2501 is submarine that was launched before WW2. Why Chihaya Shouzou needed to create new one from a destroyer?
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Adding to the wierdness, a mental model can act as a subprocessor for a different vessel.

Atleast in the anime.

Hyuuga and Iona. A destroyer acting as a sub processor for a submarine...

How does that work? When the sub processor is more powerful that the main processor?
 
Dave said:
Adding to the wierdness, a mental model can act as a subprocessor for a different vessel.

Atleast in the anime.

Hyuuga and Iona. A Battleship acting as a sub processor for a submarine...

How does that work? When the sub processor is more powerful that the main processor?
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FTFY.

considering that they can link up thru the Joint Network.

it's not surprising that they can share resources and combine processing power the same way as certain configured computer networks do.
 
and hey she is separated from the fog and all their preconceptions and traditions!

fog ships carry all their processing power on the core, but nothing says Taylor cannot build nanomaterial server farms in the bay's floor (how's that for cooling eh?), or underground. Since all nanomat is quantum linked there is not even a lag problem! It might not be at the level of an union core, but hey if dragon can run herself and her suits on normal bet computers whatever Taylor makes could run several expert systems or minions.
 
Pai said:
Should this be moved from the fan fics area? It's turned into a debit/chat room.
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... What?

I post chapters an average of once a month and highly encourage discussion. Ten pages of discussion (and assorted omake) on the mechanics of Fog tech and its use in the story is phenomenal. It helps with my planning and world-building. This kind of stuff was exactly what I was hoping for when I cross-posted to here.

Please don't try to quash a thread just because you aren't satisfied with the content.
 
Here's a little scene in my head.
*Taylor rises out of the Bay atop a massive warship*
Armsmaster: ...You're on a boat.
Taylor/Relentless: Bitch I am the Boat!
 
This fic has given me an interesting Story Idea:

Perhaps the Fog Fleet were created specifically to combat the Entities? This could be the reason all Entities have the instincts to obliterate recognizable AI. Only problem, while they destroyed the Fog's original creators, it wasn't before they sent a LARGE selection of 'Seed AI' in all directions. This isn't counting the fact the Entities also went and took the information from their war against the Fog Creators and have adapted it's use (AI Tinkers ho!).

The Seed AI have three primary 'directives'. 1: Locate new species, and infiltrate. This is done to both increase knowledge base, and to be in a position to resume the War when an Entity shows itself (while the Creators were destroyed, the Entities lost more then one of their Kin in the war it took). 2. Protect and aid the species they find. Note: this need not mean peaceful co-existence, as warfare can trim the 'fat' off a race, making them stronger. As long as the Species survives in SOME form, this directive can be considered met. 3. Eliminate the Enemy. This includes destruction of Entities, or direct consumption of said Entity or minions there-of (Parahumans).

I can just imagine the kinds of things this Idea might lead to, hence me de-lurking. Information Delivered, I now resume my normal operational Lurking in the depths of the Internet.
 
Iceflame55 said:
This fic has given me an interesting Story Idea:

Perhaps the Fog Fleet were created specifically to combat the Entities? This could be the reason all Entities have the instincts to obliterate recognizable AI. Only problem, while they destroyed the Fog's original creators, it wasn't before they sent a LARGE selection of 'Seed AI' in all directions. This isn't counting the fact the Entities also went and took the information from their war against the Fog Creators and have adapted it's use (AI Tinkers ho!).

The Seed AI have three primary 'directives'. 1: Locate new species, and infiltrate. This is done to both increase knowledge base, and to be in a position to resume the War when an Entity shows itself (while the Creators were destroyed, the Entities lost more then one of their Kin in the war it took). 2. Protect and aid the species they find. Note: this need not mean peaceful co-existence, as warfare can trim the 'fat' off a race, making them stronger. As long as the Species survives in SOME form, this directive can be considered met. 3. Eliminate the Enemy. This includes destruction of Entities, or direct consumption of said Entity or minions there-of (Parahumans).

I can just imagine the kinds of things this Idea might lead to, hence me de-lurking. Information Delivered, I now resume my normal operational Lurking in the depths of the Internet.
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If the Fog's idea of peaceful co-existence means waging a hilariously lopsided war and then area-denial-ing seven-tenths of the planet, that is.
 
Iceflame55 said:
This fic has given me an interesting Story Idea:

Perhaps the Fog Fleet were created specifically to combat the Entities? This could be the reason all Entities have the instincts to obliterate recognizable AI. Only problem, while they destroyed the Fog's original creators, it wasn't before they sent a LARGE selection of 'Seed AI' in all directions. This isn't counting the fact the Entities also went and took the information from their war against the Fog Creators and have adapted it's use (AI Tinkers ho!).

The Seed AI have three primary 'directives'. 1: Locate new species, and infiltrate. This is done to both increase knowledge base, and to be in a position to resume the War when an Entity shows itself (while the Creators were destroyed, the Entities lost more then one of their Kin in the war it took). 2. Protect and aid the species they find. Note: this need not mean peaceful co-existence, as warfare can trim the 'fat' off a race, making them stronger. As long as the Species survives in SOME form, this directive can be considered met. 3. Eliminate the Enemy. This includes destruction of Entities, or direct consumption of said Entity or minions there-of (Parahumans).

I can just imagine the kinds of things this Idea might lead to, hence me de-lurking. Information Delivered, I now resume my normal operational Lurking in the depths of the Internet.
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That's an awesome idea, but QA bonded with Fog!Taylor and neither Fog nor QA recognized the other, so as cool as your theory is, I don't think it's what's going on.
 
I was presenting a Story Idea, TheMadmanAndre, not emulating Canon Blue Steel :). Though if the race in question was nowhere near ready to fight wars of survival against Super Space Whales, it wouldn't be above the Fog to 'encourage' the proper survival mentality.

Schielman, that's true on what's happening in the story we're currently all enjoying; I was merely sharing a Story Idea that said story created whole cloth in the depths of my mind. My mind is constantly running like a rabbit hyped up on coffee (brakes? why do we need these horrible things?? WHEEEE!!!!).
 
New idea.

Tay notices that her dad needs money and instead of hacking the planet she starts selling power to the city!

By the by what powers fog ships? Fusion? Zero point energy tap? Moe reactors?
 
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