Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

You missed where she created shields to step on letting her walk on air/double-jump.

I remember her showing that already when the wards did not get approval to engage a few merchants robbing a store or something.

Letting herself fall from the roof and redirecting the fall through one of her fields directly in front of the merchants, if memory serves.

Pretty sure they saw that and reported it
 
That was NOT Deathwing. It was stated clearly that it was the Aspect of Death.
Aspect of Death
Um. Yes it was. Deathwing is one of the five Dragon Aspects, originally known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder. After being corrupted by the Old Gods, he became Deathwing, with one of his titles being the Aspect of Death.

Not to mention the "Leroy Jenkins" thing was an intentional reference to WoW.

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Um. Yes it was. Deathwing is one of the five Dragon Aspects, originally known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder. After being corrupted by the Old Gods, he became Deathwing, with one of his titles being the Aspect of Death.
I've looked. I can't find a single reference to DeathWing as the "Aspect of Death." The closest I could find was an "Aspect of Azeroth."

Haven't played WoW, so I suppose there could be an in-game reference that for some odd reason never got transferred to any of the WoW wikis, but...

*edit- and not a minute after posting that, I find it listed on http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Deathwing...
 
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So the Deathwing fight is going to get rewritten from the ground up, starting after her first seeing him, describing the city, etc, but including a bit of the Uber and Leet conversation. Hopefully I can do a better job this time and actually have people getting that reaction.
Glad to hear that. I liked the original fight, but it seems I read a very different fight than the one you meant to write.

Flying over the Great Blue Sea?
Yes. At ~10km/s the only thing that would make her not visible is the curvature of the Earth or being outside the atmosphere.

Well I at least thought that was a pretty damn sweet action sequence against the dragon.
I agree. It's just that Taylor's attitude after the fight doesn't match her attitude during the fight.
 
I've looked. I can't find a single reference to DeathWing as the "Aspect of Death." The closest I could find was an "Aspect of Azeroth."

Haven't played WoW, so I suppose there could be an in-game reference that for some odd reason never got transferred to any of the WoW wikis, but...

*edit- and not a minute after posting that, I find it listed on http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Deathwing...

It's pretty much common knowledge amongst anyone that played the game through the 'Cataclysm expansion, but that said yes Deathwing was one of the aspects of Azeroth. Azeroth has six aspects, he was the Aspect of Death like Alexstrasza was the Aspect of Life, Malygos was the Aspect of Magic, and so on and so forth.
 
She's faced two dragons now. Any chance that she analyzed the latest one so that some time in the next Endbringer battle, she can morph her ship into a dragon and have it fight for her? And she has anti-gravity tech, right? How come she hasn't used it to fly yet?
 
It's pretty much common knowledge amongst anyone that played the game through the 'Cataclysm expansion, but that said yes Deathwing was one of the aspects of Azeroth. Azeroth has six aspects, he was the Aspect of Death like Alexstrasza was the Aspect of Life, Malygos was the Aspect of Magic, and so on and so forth.
Five aspects. Only five aspects. Deathwing was Neltharion the Aspect of Earth before he was driven mad and rechristened the Aspect of Death by his victims.
 
The closer I got, the more appropriate my previous comparison of it to an elemental became. There were jagged lines running across it, like stress fractures, that glowed faintly with an inner light. Its scales looked like plates of black, just-cooled volcanic rock, rough and jagged with an eerie light visible at the edges as it moved, and I was once again reminded of Behemoth.


...I mean, it's only the second arc? Buuut, you also just got your first major crossover element in this chapter. It's a little bit massively important, too. And as I have said, this is very much a crossover, even if it's taking a while to get there. Otherwise I would have just labeled it as an alt-power like I did with AFHB. @Twei can back me up on that, as he's seen my notes and outline, but I'd even be willing to say that it's more of a crossover than most Worm crossovers that aren't fusions.

Can confirm, Plans(TM) exist.

Also, the fight wasn't personally my favorite thing ever, but I don't really want to critique it until Ensou's had some time to look it over and tweak it. And I didn't mind it either. Plus, the stuff before it was hella cool. And I actually rather liked the build-up to the fight, with Taylor being all sneaky sneak.

Also, yes, for the record, I can confirm that it was Deathwing. It was always Deathwing. I was involved in deciding that it would be Deathwing as opposed to some other dragon. :V
 
Über and Leet got their show, their mysterious benefactor got his info and Taylor got something new and interesting to play with. All in all not a bad day for any involved party though Relentless might feel like bashing some heads next time she runs into the Intrepid Duo.
But where does a Brute learn sword fighting? Most schools are geared towards people with normal strenght and reflexes.
 
Also true.

I'm fairly sure that human military engineers can "fill" a ship up to a certain safety margin of their displacement. After all, if a ship gets a hole in it and it starts taking water, it will be the difference between the real ship weight and its displacement that will define how much time have the DC parties to close that hole.

That is not how displacement works, especially not in relation to taking on water. The ship displaces an equivalent volume, and therefore mass, of water to the mass it has, at that exact moment. If you take off all the crew, fuel, and ammunition the displacement would decrease equivalent to the mass removed. There is no difference between what a ship weighs/masses and the weight/mass of the water it displaces. You can actually tell how well stocked a ship is by how low it sits in the water, with sitting lower meaning closer to fully loaded.

The reason that ships can take on water is a connected reason, but to do with how density interacts with displacement. Despite being made of metals, fuels, crew, and food stuffs, ships are actually quite a lot less dense than water. This can be observed from how a ship rests in the water. if a ship was denser than water it would be sinking. If it was just as dense as water it would rest with the highest point at the water-line, roughly speaking (shape of the object has an effect, but with simple shapes like a cube this is exactly what happens). But if a ship was less dense than water it would rest with part of its volume above the water-line. This last situation is observably the case with functional ship design.

So the reason that ships can afford (under less than ideal circumstances) to take on water is because doing so is slowly raising their density (by replacing air at 1.24 kg/m^3 with water at 1000 kg/m^3). A ship that takes on enough water to raise its density to greater than that of water will sink. So, you can actually take on far more mass of water than the ship's resting or loaded displacement.

All of which is of secondary, or tertiary, importance to the story, but, much like with the flight generates heat through friction thing, should be corrected or clarified.
 
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But where does a Brute learn sword fighting? Most schools are geared towards people with normal strenght and reflexes.

Ehh, I'd say she's not the first cape to pick up a sword. Though keep in mind just how rediculous fog tech is. This is someone who's literally powered by antimater. As in, she can easily out blaster Purity right now levels of antimater.

The question is if Taylor is going to re-create her skeleton out of this new material. At the least, I'd expect her to add it as a protection to her core, but weight is a concern everywhere else.
 
If she liked the material that U&L's sword is made of, she's going to flip over Endbringer body material...

And drool uncontrollably when she sees Foil in action.
 
That is not how displacement works, especially not in relation to taking on water. The ship displaces an equivalent volume, and therefore mass, of water to the mass it has, at that exact moment. If you take off all the crew, fuel, and ammunition the displacement would decrease equivalent to the mass removed. There is no difference between what a ship weighs/masses and the weight/mass of the water it displaces. You can actually tell how well stocked a ship is by how low it sits in the water, with sitting lower meaning closer to fully loaded.

The reason that ships can take on water is a connected reason, but to do with how density interacts with displacement. Despite being made of metals, fuels, crew, and food stuffs, ships are actually quite a lot less dense than water. This can be observed from how a ship rests in the water. if a ship was denser than water it would be sinking. If it was just as dense as water it would rest with the highest point at the water-line, roughly speaking (shape of the object has an effect, but with simple shapes like a cube this is exactly what happens). But if a ship was less dense than water it would rest with part of its volume above the water-line. This last situation is observably the case with functional ship design.

So the reason that ships can afford (under less than ideal circumstances) to take on water is because doing so is slowly raising their density (by replacing air at 1.24 kg/m^3 with water at 1000 kg/m^3). A ship that takes on enough water to raise its density to greater than that of water will sink. So, you can actually take on far more mass of water than the ship's resting or loaded displacement.

All of which is of secondary, or tertiary, importance to the story, but, much like with the flight generates heat through friction thing, should be corrected or clarified.

The term you're looking for (and what Darth Thanatos is incorrectly referring to as displacement) is "reserve buoyancy". It's how much extra buoyancy the ship has over its full displacement (Though IIRC, it can also be measured over deep load displacement), and represents how much extra weight (usually water) the ship can take on without sinking.
 
Ehh, I'd say she's not the first cape to pick up a sword. Though keep in mind just how rediculous fog tech is. This is someone who's literally powered by antimater. As in, she can easily out blaster Purity right now levels of antimater.

The question is if Taylor is going to re-create her skeleton out of this new material. At the least, I'd expect her to add it as a protection to her core, but weight is a concern everywhere else.
It would fit the reoccurring theme of spending a lot of time making something, only for it to become obsolete soon after.
 
As in, she can easily out blaster Purity right now levels of antimater.
Currently she does not have any Blaster-y bits, and apparently Fog tech is not easely scaleable down.
I think smallest gun she can make is shaped like Oerlikon 20mm, actually being laser (not photon) weapon. And it's far from Purity building-destroing power.

If she liked the material that U&L's sword is made of, she's going to flip over Endbringer body material...
I'm pretty sure that Endbringer body is less super-material, and more of continious Shakereffect, because otherwise it's entire galazy worth om matter should be used, whitch is cleary not the case.
 
because otherwise it's entire galazy worth om matter should be used
This is not true. While there are problems with Wildbow's canon description of Endbringers he never said anything about them having a huge amount of matter/mass just them being so ridiculously touch you'd need to be able to destroy a galaxy to destroy an andbringer by brute force.
 
This is not true. While there are problems with Wildbow's canon description of Endbringers he never said anything about them having a huge amount of matter/mass just them being so ridiculously touch you'd need to be able to destroy a galaxy to destroy an andbringer by brute force.

Yes, he did. In a Vs debate over the DC universe vs Endbringers.

I'm not much for Worm, honestly. I just really like ensou's work. But I've picked up quite a bit about Worm canon from reading her stuff.
 
It's Black Diamond. A diamond aggregate, in other words. It bypasses the issue of diamond being brittle by having no exposed cleavage planes, and having the cleavage planes brace against each other through layering. Also, light doesn't get out of it because of internal refraction, which is why it's black.
Hm... Ok, but what about the Klein Field due to body nanomaterial shortage?
 
It's bland as fuck, and I can totally see that now, actually. She wasn't pushed. I was worried about having Deathwing being too much, which resulted in me downplaying him and... well, yeah. A bit pathetic compared to the real thing. And well, to be fair, she made what Armsmaster was trying to make. A literally mono-molecular blade, with a single unbroken strip of carbyne acting as the edge. And it is completely broken. I might be able to offset that by having Deathwing pulling out Aspect bullshit so that it's only a little bit more effective, like allowing her to leverage up the metal plates on his back without engaging the corruption and spawning any ADDs from that.
I actually kind of liked the way it wound up -- Uber & Leet throwing a WoW raid boss with incredibly specific tactics required to defeat it (the whole back-plates and add-manipulation thing), and Taylor having no idea what those tactics would be.

This reveals character in two ways:

1. U&L are being sort of oblivious to non-gamer knowledge. They're clearly super-fans who forget that most people just don't know how to deal with raid bosses, as we can tell from them not including any clues on how to deal with Deathwing.

2. Taylor tries being smart about it, but when she doesn't stumble across the specific trick U&L expect, she just shrugs and says "fuck it, I'm Relentless of the Fog, I can brute force this". And does. And it's sort of a chore, because she's not in any real danger, and she knows it, and it just takes her a while to properly slaughter a giant dragon.

So. I would be entirely happy with no major rewrite. Maybe a few tweaks to emphasize those points -- some extra U&L dialog along the lines of "ugh, hasn't she even read the strat???", Taylor explicitly noting she's not in actual danger. (Which is often a fanon-theme of U&L -- they play by the rules, so they're not going to kill people in their games.)
 
Yes, he did. In a Vs debate over the DC universe vs Endbringers.

I'm not much for Worm, honestly. I just really like ensou's work. But I've picked up quite a bit about Worm canon from reading her stuff.
And what he says is basically "go see the numbers in this other thread", and then just builds off of that thread. That other thread only has calculations based on aluminum's ultimate tensile strength. Which, I'm going to point out now, is inherently flawed. Tensile strength does not give you the amount of force needed to cut through the layers. Shear strength does, and for aluminum that's 0.6 times the UTS.

The "galaxy" thing came from a throwaway comment of "you'd have to do something like throw a freaking solar system at it in order to do any damage" which then escalated to "it could survive a galaxy getting thrown at it". Which then went to math about figuring out the speed needed to penetrate to Leviathan's core when throwing the equivalent assumed mass of the observable universe with a restricted impact area of 1cm2​ , ending up with a result of about Mach 160 or one one-hundredth of a percent of the speed of light.

All of that has literally nothing to do about how much matter the Endbringers have or are made up of.

So I have no idea why Wildbow jumped from "throwing x amount of matter" to "digging through x amount of matter" in
keep in mind that you're effectively having to dig through a spiral galaxy's equivalent of matter to reach the core in the first place.
while explicitly referencing that very thread unless he either a) didn't understand what was going on or b) skimmed when he was responding to the JLA versus argument and accidentally misinterpreted it.

So it shouldn't be "dig through" it should be "throw", with the added caveat of "at sufficient velocities probably approaching a full percent the speed of light", all calculated based on this UTS thing which I've pointed out is already incorrect for something like Armsmaster's special blade.

I hate things like bad WoG quotes.

I've already said how I interpret the Endbringers' existences both in this thread and over in the Zizster thread, which is effective overlay. The Focalpoint shard over there is a decent (simplified) explanation, with the Endbringers' bodies being composed of matter projected from multiple sources through a single concave lens-like point. So the closer to the core/dimensional lens you are, the denser the matter is, even to the point of being physics-breaking, just like light is less spread out (and thus equivalent areas are bright) the closer you are to a concave lens.

EDIT (adding links and a quote):
From JLA vs Endbringers thread:
Wildbow said:
All three Endbringers are exceptionally tough, to put it mildly. See the latter half of this comment by /u/whispersilk (look for the numbers) for details. As a rule, the only things that are actually going to penetrate the center of their bodies are things that ignore the laws of physics. Endbringers regenerate (and regenerate faster as you get closer to the middle of their bodies) and fight at peak capacity so long as their core remains intact (keep in mind that you're effectively having to dig through a spiral galaxy's equivalent of matter to reach the core in the first place).
From the referenced thread: The calculations and solar-system thing.
 
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Isn't Deathwing and Behemoth kind of comparable enemies in powerlevels and features?
Giant earth/lava based bosses that are very deadly and hard to defeat.
 
Yes, he did. In a Vs debate over the DC universe vs Endbringers.
Cite.

AFAIK he said you'd need to be able to destroy a galaxy of matter to destroy them by brute force, this along with the durability stupidity gets often misinterpreted as Endbringers have a huge amount of matter/mass but that's not what Wildbow said.

Possibly. I haven't read the vs debate in question, but I've seen it credibly cited multiple times.
I haven't. I've seen it claimed multiple times but whenever someone is challanged to actually show the relevant quote it turns out they misread it, or (as seems to be the case here) are reporting second or third hand someone else misinterpreting what Wildbow said.
 
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