No, its about our vision and not losing track of what we want to achieve in the course of our journey.
If the Imperial Court truly is rotten to the core and we fight to uphold it over the ones who follow us...we have laid the seeds of our own doom.
To Establish Peace - A Romance of the Three Kingdoms Quest
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If the Imperial Court truly is rotten to the core and we fight to uphold it over the ones who follow us...we have laid the seeds of our own doom.
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That is beside the point and misses completely what I mean. In both cases it is never Fang that has any issues with our plans or ambitions. It is always Yu Zhong. Zhang Liao stays loyal to us while we fight Lu Bu, but Yu Zhong is not at our side. Here Fang and others stood with us, but Yu Zhong once more abandons our cause.
That's because Zhu Fang is personally loyal. He'd stick with us even if we became bandit king and became a slaver, even if he'd be disappointed in us.
Zhang Liao is loyal because of his personal ideals enforcing his loyalty once given. He would stick with us as long as we hold true to honor.
Yu Zhong is loyal to a cause, he works with Liang Shu because at present, what the Cause wants is parallel to what Liang Shu wants. Should Liang Shu turn against reform of the country to protect existing power structures, then he will turn against Liang Shu.
There's no strength of social link which could prevent that. At best, Yu Zhong would formally resign his positions out of personal respect for Liang Shu.
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I have to agree with Veekie since we did lose rapport with Yu Zhong in the overdue chat interlude for Shu disagreeing with him about the state of the Han so to me it seems Yu Zhong is more loyal to a cause then a person
How will strategising work?
Will we simply vote for Yu Zhong's, Jia Xu's, or [someone]'s strategy?
Or will it be more freeform, with Liang Shu able to propose his own strategy?
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Once more you don't get it. This is what I am stating. That Yu Zhong's loyalty is questionable...and you talk about his cause or anything else. Well, that actually does not refute what I'm stating or has strong relevance to it. You actually refute that notion and then make a case for why it is actually that way.
First I would actually dispute that this time it was mostly the cause which led to Yu Zhong's defection. In the last instance with shackling ourselves to Yuan Shao, such an argument can be made but this instance, Shu was independent. Just not as successful or as willing to listen to Yu Zhong's advice as he would have liked. These things have nothing to do with ideological differences.
Highly doubtful, that Yu Zhong would disregard bounds of filial duty, familial bonds or an oath of brotherhood. The notion that he is the ruthless bastard willing to abandon everything as long as it helps his cause is based on conjecture and frankly not well-founded in his character. Yes, he wishes for change. Yes, he thinks man of skill have to step up and change the corrupt system. But he has also shown a willingness to work inside the system. To build friendships and honor duties and obligations.
Finally, this whole argument proves the sentiment I expressed, that Yu Zhong is someone we need to carefully manage.
The point I was making is that there's nothing *to* manage here. Either we are in congruence with his reformist agenda and we have his allegiance, we're neutral and to be used, or we're opposed to his reforms and we must be dealt with.
His social link would improve as long as we're doing reformist things, he's not someone we could bring in line with gifts.
His social link would improve as long as we're doing reformist things, he's not someone we could bring in line with gifts.
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Don't forgot about what the QM said about how Liang Shu acted in the path to this:
Just us having done diplo with the Ma and tribes in the NW would have changed things a lot. Not to mention depending on how we handle Lu Bu, Ding Yuan and Dhong Zhuo there is so much that can change.
Just us having done diplo with the Ma and tribes in the NW would have changed things a lot. Not to mention depending on how we handle Lu Bu, Ding Yuan and Dhong Zhuo there is so much that can change.
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Completely disagree. It makes Yu Zhong into a single-minded fool focused on one thing. Furthermore, the "path of reform" itself is extremely undefined and broad. We have already seen that presents from a mechanical standpoint provide increases bonds rank to all retainers. He is also willing to change his mind and has shown this in the time this quest has run.
It should be obvious that there will be differences depending on his bond with Shu. This bond has shown increase through presents(sword!!) and through entrusting him important duties.
Our increase with him have not come from some ominous course of reform, but actually from other things. Therefore, there is hardly any basis for that line of argument. Is it important to him? Yes, of course. That much is obvious to everyone. But is it the sole deciding factor for his loyalty? I am highly doubtful about such an assessment!
There will be surely decisions that can make or break our relationship with some characters, like turning against her father for Lingqi. The same will hold true for many other characters. But with a strong bond the instances of such decisions or instances can be reduced. A brother in everything but blood can allow himself completely different things in regard to a friend than someone that is at most an acquaintance. For Yu Zhong, it seems like he will have more of such instances than others and therefore needs more managing. The Best case is getting him as oath brother and married to our cousin. Such bonds he would only break in extreme circumstances.
Final Battle for Xinshen II - Promotion and Planning
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Within the very same meeting chambers where you had discreetly conversed with Zhang Xiu the evening prior, a council of war has been mustered. As well as your own officers, aides of the Prefect and captains of the garrison and local militias are also gathered, with maps of Xinshen city and the surrounding county placed on a table in the centre of the room. As you enter with your most trusted advisers and lieutenants at your side, hushed conversations and murmurings stop, at acknowledgement of your arrival. Various men give you bows of respect and smiles. Kang Ju, Prefect of Duguo, is stood with one of his sons and a number of his own captains, and he gives a broad smile of thanks and gratitude as you walk by. You notice he and his son give an extended bow to Zhang Liao, in recognition of the young warrior having saved their lives less than a month ago. In return, in his typical fashion, Zhang Liao responds with a stoic, silent salute. You make your way past various officials and clerks of the Administration, more than a few of them new to their posts, thanks to Yu Zhong's efforts in weeding out corruption and replacing the old and incompetent staff with talented and loyal men. As you approach the table, you catch the gaze of Huan Jue, captain of the Imperial Army under the command of Lu Zhi. He has a break in a conversation he was having with a sergeant to give you a quick nod, then give another to Zhu Fang, who offers a boisterous wave in return.
You take your positions in the room, and await the arrival of the Prefect, you cannot help but notice that Ge Dejun and his gentry followers are trying to avoid your gaze. His faction seems to be rather uneasy and on edge. Those related to him and closest to the Ge are standing with him, but you can see divisions among the others. Some of the other aristocrats and nobles have split off into their own smaller groups. Every now and then, you see older gentlemen glance over to Ge Dejun, shake their heads at him with disgust whilst he is not looking, and whisper among themselves with clicking tongues. Others look incredibly nervous and concerned, whilst some of the younger nobles slowly begin to shuffle around the table to take a position closer to your own followers.
Holding back your own rage at the Ge, your own feelings of being betrayed by that despicable family, your own deep seated insecurities and mistrust in working alongside such a group, you remain calm and neutral, your expression giving nothing away. After a short, yet uncomfortable silence, you notice Ge Dejun give you a flicker of a glance from across the table, before shuffling his feet and hastily looking away, clearly holding his own tongue.
"It is good to see you again, Master Ge." You call out to him loudly and clearly, offering a polite bow. "I am looking forward to finally have this opportunity to fight alongside the dear gentry of Xinshen under a united banner."
No real response is given. He mumbles something inaudible under his breath, and turns his head away with a sour look in his eyes. You smile handsomely, immensely enjoying watching him squirm. You notice a few of the other gentlemen show disdain in the Ge scion's lack of response, clearly perceiving his silence as rudeness and disrespect. Seeing him act in such a way at just a few friendly words, you cannot help but feel a little smug and satisfied.
Before any tensions can begin to boil over, Prefect Zhang Xiu enters the chambers himself, dressed in full armour. On his right side, he is accompanied by the dark robed Jia Xu. On his left, he is flanked by a tall and doughty seeming warrior, who you have seen in passing and have heard is a champion from the far west called Hu Che'er. Upon Zhang Xiu's arrival, all in the room, including yourself, turn to address and salute him. He raises a hand, and with a swift flick of his cape, he makes his way to the map table.
"As you are all undoubtedly aware, the criminal coalition that has swept through the region is encroaching on Xinshen from the north with swiftness and brutality. By the day's end, the first waves of bandits will have penetrated deep into the county." He says, with a straightforward sense of seriousness. "From what we have gathered, our enemy is rather loosely aligned and allied out of convenience. Their leaders likely have their own ambitions, their own goals, their own ideas. In contrast, I like to think all of us gathered in this room are unified under a singular, strong purpose and cause." The prefect looks up from the table to cast his gaze to Ge Dejun, then yourself. Then, he looks straight ahead, with his arms behind his back. "With that in mind, before we make plans for repelling this threat, I have an announcement that I would like to make."
There is a pause, as you see him beckon over an aide and hand something over to the man.
"As many of you are aware, the local government offices are currently in the process of restructuring, and several ranks and positions are empty or held on an interim basis." Zhang Xiu continues. "Whilst a full reorganising of the rank structure and restaffing of the county bureaus will have to wait for a more opportune time, given our current desperate situation...and the unusual nature of our defensive forces, the appointing of a certain officer cannot wait. The position of County Commandant has remained empty for some time, and it will not do at all for us to enter the upcoming battles without a man with the authority to take command of our military affairs and lead the armies against the brigands." You see him briefly look to Ge Dejun, who has a rather expectant look on his face. Still looking at Ge Dejun, Zhang Xiu continues. "For all you have done so far in combatting the rebel threat, for subduing criminals and attempting to restore peace, for your military expertise, for your local knowledge, for all your hard work in bringing together the people of Xinshen as one, as well as for your excellent character and conduct, and with some recommendations I have received from persons of influence and wisdom, there is only one candidate for this rank. I am appointing you as County Commandant."
Slowly, he turns away from Ge Dejun... and fixes his gaze upon you.
"Liang Shu. Take the seal of office."
To your surprise, and some murmurings from the others, the aide makes his way over to you, and with a bow, holds a small wooden tally in his hands before you, expectedly.
You act instinctively. Making a salute, you address Zhang Xiu. "I...I cannot accept, sir! Someone as youthful and unlearned as I cannot be appointed office! I am not worthy at all for such a role." You plea, "You must be mistaken, Prefect Zhang. There must be others in this room far more capable than I."
Some of the clerks and officers urge you to take the tally. Zhang Xiu folds his arms as he looks to you, saluting. "I must insist, Master Liang. There really is no one else who has done more for the sake of Xinshen's defences. I am quite certain everyone in this room will agree."
All at once, speaking over each other, many voices rise up to insist and urge you to take the rank, some recounting your deeds and declaring you to be the best candidate for the rank.
"I am merely a humble boy wishing to restore the tranquillity of my home." You say, quietly, again refusing to take the tally of rank. "It would not be my place to accept such a promotion, as kind as the offer is. I fully accept my position as a subordinate, I should be used as a tool or weapon to aid our collective victory, not given a position of authority when there are so many better men than I in this room."
This time, the pleas get louder. Even members of Ge Dejun faction seem to be joining in.
"You are the greatest man I know, Shu! You deserve this recognition, and much more besides!" Zhu Fang announces proudly. "Even if another were to take that seal, it would still be your commands I would follow, and no one else's!"
"This is a great honour, Liang Shu." Xu Jian says to you. "Neither of our fathers were able to achieve a rank equivalent to Commandant at such a young age. I am quite certain the late lord Liang will be proud indeed if you accepted the tally."
"What are you waiting for?" Lu Lingqi grumbles at you. "You worked so hard to get fame and recognition and now you're just turning it down? Have you gone daft, Shu?"
As more beg you to take the promotion, you take a quick scan around the room. Most are repeating their urges for you to accept the rank, or are retelling some of your deeds and actions. Of those silent, three in particular stand out to you. Jia Xu, stood as usual behind Zhang Xiu, has his hands in his sleeves, looking although he is simply spectating and enjoying the show. Ge Dejun looks manic and fuming, gnashing his teeth, his cheeks slowly getting pinker and pinker, his eyes widening every time a member of the gentry calls your praises. The third is Yu Zhong, stood close to you. He simply gives you a pleased smile, apparently knowing your intent, and giving you a simple nod of acknowledgement.
You allow this game to continue a short while longer. At last, you bow, and slowly lay hands on the small wooden seal of rank.
"Very well. Whilst I do not think I am capable to perform the duties of such a rank of office, should the Prefect and all else insist so loudly, I have little choice but to meekly bend to your will and accept." You say, as humbly as possible. "I accept this rank, and with it, I will do all I can to protect Xinshen."
Zhang Xiu smiles. "Good. Commandant Liang Shu is now second only to my own word when it comes to military affairs. Let all recognise his authority, and understand the consequences of what it means to disobey his orders."
Claps and cheers erupt. You overhear a couple of older gentlemen stood near you whisper to each other, praising your humility and humbleness.
"Now, let us proceed with the council of war. We have work to do, everyone." The Prefect says, placing his hands on the map table.
As you take a position next to Zhang Xiu, you watch as Jia Xu starts placing wooden blocks on the map of Xinshen. He places three blocks painted blue in the walled city, as well as a fourth, smaller block. He then stacks several red blocks off the northern edge of the map.
"According to our latest and most up to date scouting reports," The advisor says as he starts moving the blocks, "Three bands of outlaws are heading towards our position. By all accounts, this is the first wave of invasion, with what can be considered their main host following behind. He places one red block to the north west of the city, another slightly to the north east, and the third further east of the second. "Whilst they are moving separately, I advise that we take this opportunity to strike at them simultaneously before they can group as one. If we divide our own efforts into three and sally out, we should have little difficulty in dealing a blow to their vanguard."
Zhang Xiu continues. "As previously mentioned, their coalition is a disparate collection of units. Looting and pillaging are their primary agendas. Once individual chieftains think that this effort is no longer profitable, they are sure to abandon their cause and scurry away to the mountain caves they crawled forth from. It is our belief that the flimsy cohesion of their alliance is their biggest weakness. We should deny them any opportunity to rally together or find common cause. With each skirmish they lose, the morale of their collective forces will start to drop, and give way to infighting and distrust that we can take advantage of."
You nod. "We need not crush or decimate the bandits here. Their convictions are weak, we need only deny them victory, and importantly, deny them any opportunity to plunder. Without victory, they will get weary and lose faith with each other, and their chiefs will return to bickering and personal grudges and disputes. Without plunder, their very reason for fighting will be denied them. Their greed will turn to desperation, and many will want to return home to consolidate all the treasures they have already stolen, or they will begin to covet the accumulated wealth of their fellows. On the contrary, our own soldiers are battling for a very real cause. They will be standing as one to defend their homes, families and livelihoods. They will keep fighting even if bled dry by blades and arrows, in order to protect their children, to shield the tombs of their families from being despoiled, and to prevent their wives, sisters and daughters from being kidnapped by rogues."
"Yeah! The commonfolk are fired up, too." Zhu Fang adds, "I would bet even old folks and kids will take up tools and weapons to fight if threatened."
"I will divide our manpower into thirds to deal with these vanguards." Zhang Xiu says. "Given the circumstances, I will split our army into the city garrison and militia, lead by myself. Commandant Liang shall of course command the Azure Lances, who have proven so successful in fighting these ruffians lately. The third force will be the gentry army. These three forces will march out into three directions, and deal a blow to each of those bandit units. Captain Huan, I would have your elite Imperial regiments remain in the city as a reserve, able to maintain order and aid any front should it be required."
"As you wish." The army captain gives a simple nod.
You see a man near Ge Dejun, who you vaguely recall is named Cuan Le, raise a hand. "Hold. May I ask why we are abandoning our high, strong walls and the safety of our camps to sally out? Why are we abandoning an advantage so readily?"
Before you can speak, Yu Zhong answers for you. "Because, Master Cuan, if we are to simply ignore these three brigand forces, they will have their way with Xinshen. We will be safe behind our walls, certainly, but in exchange we will be sacrificing the people of the county. Not just the commoners either...if I recall, does the Cuan family not hold an estate around here? Please, feel free to remain here and hide if you truly wish, but be sure to share a thought for your elderly father and your young sisters and nieces whilst you tremble behind the city walls."
Cuan Le bites his lip and takes a step back.
Yu Zhong taps the map with a thin, pale finger. "Rest assured, preparations have been made to counter a siege, and should it come to that, our foe should find Xinshen city quite impenetrable. However, I would advise we use our fortifications as a last resort, if we cannot win on the field. Besides, with the stratagems planned to repel a siege, I personally would rather wait to a better moment to unleash them. I would rather not use our best bait on these minnows whilst their are better catches still upstream, so to speak."
"In addition to what Master Yu says," Jia Xu adds, "It really is best to take advantage of the piecemeal nature of our enemy whilst we have this opportunity. We can win three victories in one day, and deny them a chance to combine their efforts against us. Holding a defence at this time will simply be handing momentum and initiative over to the bandits."
"May I ask what we know of these three enemy units?" Zhang Liao enquires.
Jia Xu pokes the northwestern block. "Apparently, this force is lead by a man named Ku Jiu. It is reportedly the most mobile of the three divisions, with larger numbers of cavalry and light skirmishers. They also seem to have recruited some Xiongnu into their ranks, bolstering their mounted contingent even further."
You eye the map. If they take the most likely route from their currently suspected position, they will be moving through mostly hilly terrain, if their target is the city. Interestingly, you notice that if that is the case, their most direct path will eventually take them to Soaring Hawk Ridge, if they are allowed to penetrate that far south into the county.
Jia Xu moves his finger to the centrally positioned block. "This is the largest force of the three. They seem to have a balanced composition, and from what I have heard, they are the most experienced of the three, having won the most battles and fame so far. They are lead by a chieftain named Huang Long."
Kang Ju lets out a stammer, his face paling. "T-that is the man who defeated the Prefects of two other counties, and routed much of my militia! His men carry banners of a yellow dragon, and are ferocious fighters indeed!"
You look on the map. This force is poised to strike at the very heartlands of Xinshen, the rolling plains and lush fields that grant the county much of its fertility. Directly before them are also the estates of many of the gentry and noble houses of the region, including the grand estate of Ge Lang.
Finally, Jia Xu points to the third, easterly block. "This force is around the same size of Ku Jiu's, but has mostly infantry, it seems. Interestingly, a portion of this force attempted to raid Xinshen only days ago, but were soundly crushed by Commandant Liang himself. Ever since, their morale has been shocked, and our scouts report that daily, their numbers are thinning due to desertion and mutiny. I would surmise that this third force is the weakest. It is lead by someone named Wang Dang, but it seems he is having disagreements and disputes already with the other chieftains in his unit."
"Ha, I wonder if Buxing is still there?" Lu Lingqi asks with a snort of a chuckle. "No, wait, he's probably among those who's taken their chance to flee and disperse."
You notice on the map they have already crossed the bridge where you soundly won a skirmish days earlier, and are the closest to the city. They are nearly on the main road, with a few villages in their path. Still, you have already bloodied the nose of this unit, and you cannot imagine they will have much more of a will to fight if they lose again.
"Beyond these three forces," Jia Xu explains, "The main body of the bandit host is still yet to arrive. These seem to be split into two further camps, one lead by "Poison" Yu Du, the larger commanded by Chu Yan "The Flying Swallow." Should we dally too long in dealing with these three, they will soon be joined by huge numbers of reinforcements."
Just as you are about to speak, someone slams their hands hard onto the table, causing a few clerks and aides to jump or let out startled gasps. Turning, you see Ge Dejun with clenched fists and a red face.
"Enough, enough of this! We have wasted enough time, what more needs to be said?" He barks out loudly. "I will take the noble gentry force and ride forth to win a glorious victory. With one decisive action, I will scatter the enemy with a single charge! That gathering there? Lead by Huang whatever you said his name was? He is daring to threaten the very flowers of Xinshen! The nobility of our county have homes in their path, and I shall not risk threatening such prestigious families whilst we dally around talking! Why, those dastards could even deign to strike at my esteemed grandfather! Enough of this prattle. I will take my army that my clan recruited, and do my duty by slaying this Huang! The Prefect and the...the...the commandant can mop up the rest of these weaklings, I am sure."
There are some murmurings and doubts. You overhear Huo You, one of Ge Dejun's older officers, try and dissuade him.
"My lord Ge, you already heard what they said. This Huang leads the largest host, and has won many battles. Our own forces are...well..they are not as large as the rest..."
Another of Ge Dejun's faction, a young man called Zu Chan, shake his head at this. "Coward! So much for the loyalty of the Huo! Dejun, I may not be of noble blood like the rest of you, but unlike the others, I have full faith and belief in you! With my glaive, I volunteer to be the very tip of your charge!"
Xu Jian speaks up at this point. "This is no time to concern yourselves with personal glory, sirs. We have a unified heart in this endeavour, please remember our true enemies are outside of this room."
"No one asked you, lapdog of the Liang!" One of Ge Dejun's lackies, a rather chubby fellow named Si En, spits back.
"How dare you speak to the son of Xu Tong that way?! Such rudeness!" An elderly clerk reprimands him.
"Yeah, take that back, you fat bastard!" Zhu Fang roars. "What were all you doing whilst the rest of us sweated and bled for this county? Why were you even allowed into these chambers?"
"Watch your tongue, you oaf!" Zu Chan steps forwards, "If you're not careful, my men might end up feasting on pig before the battle!"
"Hey! Only we're allowed to insult Zhu Fang around here!" Lu Lingqi snaps at him. "Here's our oaf, you do not have the right!"
As the whole chamber begin arguing amongst themselves, Zhang Xiu stands up straight, before tempers can flare too much.
"Silence! Everyone, settle down at once. Lord Ge, please calm yourself. We are in accord, we need not spend all day debating strategies here. We have our objective and our targets." He says, in a clear yet firm voice, eventually calming the bickering and squabbling down, at least for now. Tensions still seem high, however. "Commandant Liang, the final decision is yours. Divide our forces as you see fit, and we shall deploy at once."
Firstly, do you agree with the strategy to divide Xinshen's forces into three, to dispatch the disparate bandit forces at once? You could certainly devise another, but you worry if you spend too long planning and talking, tensions in the room might meet boiling point.
[] [Strategy] Use the existing strategy to split into three and attack the enemy simultaneously
[] [Strategy] I have another plan! Write in.
You wonder about Ge Dejun, and how short his temper is... and also ponder your intentions in how to one day deal with the Ge. For now, how should you address him?
[] [Ge Dejun] Try and soothe him and placate him as best as you can. Show him as much respect as possible.
[] [Ge Dejun] Use this chance to insult and belittle him.
[] [Ge Dejun] Encourage him to charge the enemy and win glory, try and fire him up.
[] [Ge Dejun] Show concern about the size and strength of his own forces, and advise extreme caution.
[] [Ge Dejun] Speak to him in a neutral, courteous matter.
The westernmost bandit force, lead by Ku Jiu, is apparently the most mobile, with the largest concentration of cavalry that has been bolstered by Xiongnu mercenaries. They are moving fast from the north, and will soon be passing through light hills and ridges. Which force should intercept them?
[] [Ku Jiu] You and the Azure Lances can handle this.
[] [Ku Jiu] Prefect Zhang and the garrison are capable of dealing with this.
[] Ku Jiu] This is a job for Ge Dejun and the gentry.
The central force is the largest and strongest, battle hardened with previous victories. Huang Long's army is cutting towards Xinshen's heartlands, including the estates of much of the gentry. How will you hold them off?
[] [Huang Long] Use your strongest to fight their strongest. You will deal with this yourself.
[] [Huang Long] You have faith in Zhang Xiu's capabilities here.
[] [Huang Long] Ge Dejun wants glory, and to defend his family. Time for him to step up.
The eastern enemy is an army already battered by your own Azure Lances in a skirmish. Wang Dang is holding the rest together, but you do not think they will prove to be much of a threat. If you can guarantee a quick victory against them, you predict they will easily collapse and scatter.
[] [Wang Dang] You have dealt with them before, time to crush them for good.
[] [Wang Dang] Zhang Xiu's forces should have no problem here.
[] [Wang Dang] The gentry force is the weakest, but you think they should be able to defeat an already beaten foe.
You do have some concerns about the strength of the gentry forces, and also its leadership. Perhaps you could command it to be bolstered in some way?
[] [Gentry] The gentry army is fine, no need to interfere.
[] [Gentry] Ge Dejun is an untrustworthy snake and a liability. Order him to remain behind, give command of the gentry army to Zhang Liao, with Xu Jian and Ce Xiang to aid him and a portion of the Azure Lances to strengthen their ranks.
[] [Gentry] Have Xu Jian and Ce Xiang lead a portion of the Azure Lances to reinforce the gentry.
[] [Gentry] Request Zhang Xiu send some men from the garrison to bolster the gentry army.
You do also have a surplus of officers yourself, perhaps you could spare some to aid Zhang Xiu?
[] [Zhang Xiu] The Prefect is a capable man with capable men around him. He does not need help.
[] [Zhang Xiu] Send Mu Shun and Gongsun Ye to serve under Zhang Xiu directly for this battle.
[] [Zhang Xiu] Send Mu Shun and Gongsun Ye, with a portion of your Azure Lances to act as reinforcement.
Please vote in Plan Format. There is an 8 hour moratorium for this vote.
You take your positions in the room, and await the arrival of the Prefect, you cannot help but notice that Ge Dejun and his gentry followers are trying to avoid your gaze. His faction seems to be rather uneasy and on edge. Those related to him and closest to the Ge are standing with him, but you can see divisions among the others. Some of the other aristocrats and nobles have split off into their own smaller groups. Every now and then, you see older gentlemen glance over to Ge Dejun, shake their heads at him with disgust whilst he is not looking, and whisper among themselves with clicking tongues. Others look incredibly nervous and concerned, whilst some of the younger nobles slowly begin to shuffle around the table to take a position closer to your own followers.
Holding back your own rage at the Ge, your own feelings of being betrayed by that despicable family, your own deep seated insecurities and mistrust in working alongside such a group, you remain calm and neutral, your expression giving nothing away. After a short, yet uncomfortable silence, you notice Ge Dejun give you a flicker of a glance from across the table, before shuffling his feet and hastily looking away, clearly holding his own tongue.
"It is good to see you again, Master Ge." You call out to him loudly and clearly, offering a polite bow. "I am looking forward to finally have this opportunity to fight alongside the dear gentry of Xinshen under a united banner."
No real response is given. He mumbles something inaudible under his breath, and turns his head away with a sour look in his eyes. You smile handsomely, immensely enjoying watching him squirm. You notice a few of the other gentlemen show disdain in the Ge scion's lack of response, clearly perceiving his silence as rudeness and disrespect. Seeing him act in such a way at just a few friendly words, you cannot help but feel a little smug and satisfied.
Before any tensions can begin to boil over, Prefect Zhang Xiu enters the chambers himself, dressed in full armour. On his right side, he is accompanied by the dark robed Jia Xu. On his left, he is flanked by a tall and doughty seeming warrior, who you have seen in passing and have heard is a champion from the far west called Hu Che'er. Upon Zhang Xiu's arrival, all in the room, including yourself, turn to address and salute him. He raises a hand, and with a swift flick of his cape, he makes his way to the map table.
"As you are all undoubtedly aware, the criminal coalition that has swept through the region is encroaching on Xinshen from the north with swiftness and brutality. By the day's end, the first waves of bandits will have penetrated deep into the county." He says, with a straightforward sense of seriousness. "From what we have gathered, our enemy is rather loosely aligned and allied out of convenience. Their leaders likely have their own ambitions, their own goals, their own ideas. In contrast, I like to think all of us gathered in this room are unified under a singular, strong purpose and cause." The prefect looks up from the table to cast his gaze to Ge Dejun, then yourself. Then, he looks straight ahead, with his arms behind his back. "With that in mind, before we make plans for repelling this threat, I have an announcement that I would like to make."
There is a pause, as you see him beckon over an aide and hand something over to the man.
"As many of you are aware, the local government offices are currently in the process of restructuring, and several ranks and positions are empty or held on an interim basis." Zhang Xiu continues. "Whilst a full reorganising of the rank structure and restaffing of the county bureaus will have to wait for a more opportune time, given our current desperate situation...and the unusual nature of our defensive forces, the appointing of a certain officer cannot wait. The position of County Commandant has remained empty for some time, and it will not do at all for us to enter the upcoming battles without a man with the authority to take command of our military affairs and lead the armies against the brigands." You see him briefly look to Ge Dejun, who has a rather expectant look on his face. Still looking at Ge Dejun, Zhang Xiu continues. "For all you have done so far in combatting the rebel threat, for subduing criminals and attempting to restore peace, for your military expertise, for your local knowledge, for all your hard work in bringing together the people of Xinshen as one, as well as for your excellent character and conduct, and with some recommendations I have received from persons of influence and wisdom, there is only one candidate for this rank. I am appointing you as County Commandant."
Slowly, he turns away from Ge Dejun... and fixes his gaze upon you.
"Liang Shu. Take the seal of office."
To your surprise, and some murmurings from the others, the aide makes his way over to you, and with a bow, holds a small wooden tally in his hands before you, expectedly.
You act instinctively. Making a salute, you address Zhang Xiu. "I...I cannot accept, sir! Someone as youthful and unlearned as I cannot be appointed office! I am not worthy at all for such a role." You plea, "You must be mistaken, Prefect Zhang. There must be others in this room far more capable than I."
Some of the clerks and officers urge you to take the tally. Zhang Xiu folds his arms as he looks to you, saluting. "I must insist, Master Liang. There really is no one else who has done more for the sake of Xinshen's defences. I am quite certain everyone in this room will agree."
All at once, speaking over each other, many voices rise up to insist and urge you to take the rank, some recounting your deeds and declaring you to be the best candidate for the rank.
"I am merely a humble boy wishing to restore the tranquillity of my home." You say, quietly, again refusing to take the tally of rank. "It would not be my place to accept such a promotion, as kind as the offer is. I fully accept my position as a subordinate, I should be used as a tool or weapon to aid our collective victory, not given a position of authority when there are so many better men than I in this room."
This time, the pleas get louder. Even members of Ge Dejun faction seem to be joining in.
"You are the greatest man I know, Shu! You deserve this recognition, and much more besides!" Zhu Fang announces proudly. "Even if another were to take that seal, it would still be your commands I would follow, and no one else's!"
"This is a great honour, Liang Shu." Xu Jian says to you. "Neither of our fathers were able to achieve a rank equivalent to Commandant at such a young age. I am quite certain the late lord Liang will be proud indeed if you accepted the tally."
"What are you waiting for?" Lu Lingqi grumbles at you. "You worked so hard to get fame and recognition and now you're just turning it down? Have you gone daft, Shu?"
As more beg you to take the promotion, you take a quick scan around the room. Most are repeating their urges for you to accept the rank, or are retelling some of your deeds and actions. Of those silent, three in particular stand out to you. Jia Xu, stood as usual behind Zhang Xiu, has his hands in his sleeves, looking although he is simply spectating and enjoying the show. Ge Dejun looks manic and fuming, gnashing his teeth, his cheeks slowly getting pinker and pinker, his eyes widening every time a member of the gentry calls your praises. The third is Yu Zhong, stood close to you. He simply gives you a pleased smile, apparently knowing your intent, and giving you a simple nod of acknowledgement.
You allow this game to continue a short while longer. At last, you bow, and slowly lay hands on the small wooden seal of rank.
"Very well. Whilst I do not think I am capable to perform the duties of such a rank of office, should the Prefect and all else insist so loudly, I have little choice but to meekly bend to your will and accept." You say, as humbly as possible. "I accept this rank, and with it, I will do all I can to protect Xinshen."
Zhang Xiu smiles. "Good. Commandant Liang Shu is now second only to my own word when it comes to military affairs. Let all recognise his authority, and understand the consequences of what it means to disobey his orders."
Claps and cheers erupt. You overhear a couple of older gentlemen stood near you whisper to each other, praising your humility and humbleness.
"Now, let us proceed with the council of war. We have work to do, everyone." The Prefect says, placing his hands on the map table.
As you take a position next to Zhang Xiu, you watch as Jia Xu starts placing wooden blocks on the map of Xinshen. He places three blocks painted blue in the walled city, as well as a fourth, smaller block. He then stacks several red blocks off the northern edge of the map.
"According to our latest and most up to date scouting reports," The advisor says as he starts moving the blocks, "Three bands of outlaws are heading towards our position. By all accounts, this is the first wave of invasion, with what can be considered their main host following behind. He places one red block to the north west of the city, another slightly to the north east, and the third further east of the second. "Whilst they are moving separately, I advise that we take this opportunity to strike at them simultaneously before they can group as one. If we divide our own efforts into three and sally out, we should have little difficulty in dealing a blow to their vanguard."
Zhang Xiu continues. "As previously mentioned, their coalition is a disparate collection of units. Looting and pillaging are their primary agendas. Once individual chieftains think that this effort is no longer profitable, they are sure to abandon their cause and scurry away to the mountain caves they crawled forth from. It is our belief that the flimsy cohesion of their alliance is their biggest weakness. We should deny them any opportunity to rally together or find common cause. With each skirmish they lose, the morale of their collective forces will start to drop, and give way to infighting and distrust that we can take advantage of."
You nod. "We need not crush or decimate the bandits here. Their convictions are weak, we need only deny them victory, and importantly, deny them any opportunity to plunder. Without victory, they will get weary and lose faith with each other, and their chiefs will return to bickering and personal grudges and disputes. Without plunder, their very reason for fighting will be denied them. Their greed will turn to desperation, and many will want to return home to consolidate all the treasures they have already stolen, or they will begin to covet the accumulated wealth of their fellows. On the contrary, our own soldiers are battling for a very real cause. They will be standing as one to defend their homes, families and livelihoods. They will keep fighting even if bled dry by blades and arrows, in order to protect their children, to shield the tombs of their families from being despoiled, and to prevent their wives, sisters and daughters from being kidnapped by rogues."
"Yeah! The commonfolk are fired up, too." Zhu Fang adds, "I would bet even old folks and kids will take up tools and weapons to fight if threatened."
"I will divide our manpower into thirds to deal with these vanguards." Zhang Xiu says. "Given the circumstances, I will split our army into the city garrison and militia, lead by myself. Commandant Liang shall of course command the Azure Lances, who have proven so successful in fighting these ruffians lately. The third force will be the gentry army. These three forces will march out into three directions, and deal a blow to each of those bandit units. Captain Huan, I would have your elite Imperial regiments remain in the city as a reserve, able to maintain order and aid any front should it be required."
"As you wish." The army captain gives a simple nod.
You see a man near Ge Dejun, who you vaguely recall is named Cuan Le, raise a hand. "Hold. May I ask why we are abandoning our high, strong walls and the safety of our camps to sally out? Why are we abandoning an advantage so readily?"
Before you can speak, Yu Zhong answers for you. "Because, Master Cuan, if we are to simply ignore these three brigand forces, they will have their way with Xinshen. We will be safe behind our walls, certainly, but in exchange we will be sacrificing the people of the county. Not just the commoners either...if I recall, does the Cuan family not hold an estate around here? Please, feel free to remain here and hide if you truly wish, but be sure to share a thought for your elderly father and your young sisters and nieces whilst you tremble behind the city walls."
Cuan Le bites his lip and takes a step back.
Yu Zhong taps the map with a thin, pale finger. "Rest assured, preparations have been made to counter a siege, and should it come to that, our foe should find Xinshen city quite impenetrable. However, I would advise we use our fortifications as a last resort, if we cannot win on the field. Besides, with the stratagems planned to repel a siege, I personally would rather wait to a better moment to unleash them. I would rather not use our best bait on these minnows whilst their are better catches still upstream, so to speak."
"In addition to what Master Yu says," Jia Xu adds, "It really is best to take advantage of the piecemeal nature of our enemy whilst we have this opportunity. We can win three victories in one day, and deny them a chance to combine their efforts against us. Holding a defence at this time will simply be handing momentum and initiative over to the bandits."
"May I ask what we know of these three enemy units?" Zhang Liao enquires.
Jia Xu pokes the northwestern block. "Apparently, this force is lead by a man named Ku Jiu. It is reportedly the most mobile of the three divisions, with larger numbers of cavalry and light skirmishers. They also seem to have recruited some Xiongnu into their ranks, bolstering their mounted contingent even further."
You eye the map. If they take the most likely route from their currently suspected position, they will be moving through mostly hilly terrain, if their target is the city. Interestingly, you notice that if that is the case, their most direct path will eventually take them to Soaring Hawk Ridge, if they are allowed to penetrate that far south into the county.
Jia Xu moves his finger to the centrally positioned block. "This is the largest force of the three. They seem to have a balanced composition, and from what I have heard, they are the most experienced of the three, having won the most battles and fame so far. They are lead by a chieftain named Huang Long."
Kang Ju lets out a stammer, his face paling. "T-that is the man who defeated the Prefects of two other counties, and routed much of my militia! His men carry banners of a yellow dragon, and are ferocious fighters indeed!"
You look on the map. This force is poised to strike at the very heartlands of Xinshen, the rolling plains and lush fields that grant the county much of its fertility. Directly before them are also the estates of many of the gentry and noble houses of the region, including the grand estate of Ge Lang.
Finally, Jia Xu points to the third, easterly block. "This force is around the same size of Ku Jiu's, but has mostly infantry, it seems. Interestingly, a portion of this force attempted to raid Xinshen only days ago, but were soundly crushed by Commandant Liang himself. Ever since, their morale has been shocked, and our scouts report that daily, their numbers are thinning due to desertion and mutiny. I would surmise that this third force is the weakest. It is lead by someone named Wang Dang, but it seems he is having disagreements and disputes already with the other chieftains in his unit."
"Ha, I wonder if Buxing is still there?" Lu Lingqi asks with a snort of a chuckle. "No, wait, he's probably among those who's taken their chance to flee and disperse."
You notice on the map they have already crossed the bridge where you soundly won a skirmish days earlier, and are the closest to the city. They are nearly on the main road, with a few villages in their path. Still, you have already bloodied the nose of this unit, and you cannot imagine they will have much more of a will to fight if they lose again.
"Beyond these three forces," Jia Xu explains, "The main body of the bandit host is still yet to arrive. These seem to be split into two further camps, one lead by "Poison" Yu Du, the larger commanded by Chu Yan "The Flying Swallow." Should we dally too long in dealing with these three, they will soon be joined by huge numbers of reinforcements."
Just as you are about to speak, someone slams their hands hard onto the table, causing a few clerks and aides to jump or let out startled gasps. Turning, you see Ge Dejun with clenched fists and a red face.
"Enough, enough of this! We have wasted enough time, what more needs to be said?" He barks out loudly. "I will take the noble gentry force and ride forth to win a glorious victory. With one decisive action, I will scatter the enemy with a single charge! That gathering there? Lead by Huang whatever you said his name was? He is daring to threaten the very flowers of Xinshen! The nobility of our county have homes in their path, and I shall not risk threatening such prestigious families whilst we dally around talking! Why, those dastards could even deign to strike at my esteemed grandfather! Enough of this prattle. I will take my army that my clan recruited, and do my duty by slaying this Huang! The Prefect and the...the...the commandant can mop up the rest of these weaklings, I am sure."
There are some murmurings and doubts. You overhear Huo You, one of Ge Dejun's older officers, try and dissuade him.
"My lord Ge, you already heard what they said. This Huang leads the largest host, and has won many battles. Our own forces are...well..they are not as large as the rest..."
Another of Ge Dejun's faction, a young man called Zu Chan, shake his head at this. "Coward! So much for the loyalty of the Huo! Dejun, I may not be of noble blood like the rest of you, but unlike the others, I have full faith and belief in you! With my glaive, I volunteer to be the very tip of your charge!"
Xu Jian speaks up at this point. "This is no time to concern yourselves with personal glory, sirs. We have a unified heart in this endeavour, please remember our true enemies are outside of this room."
"No one asked you, lapdog of the Liang!" One of Ge Dejun's lackies, a rather chubby fellow named Si En, spits back.
"How dare you speak to the son of Xu Tong that way?! Such rudeness!" An elderly clerk reprimands him.
"Yeah, take that back, you fat bastard!" Zhu Fang roars. "What were all you doing whilst the rest of us sweated and bled for this county? Why were you even allowed into these chambers?"
"Watch your tongue, you oaf!" Zu Chan steps forwards, "If you're not careful, my men might end up feasting on pig before the battle!"
"Hey! Only we're allowed to insult Zhu Fang around here!" Lu Lingqi snaps at him. "Here's our oaf, you do not have the right!"
As the whole chamber begin arguing amongst themselves, Zhang Xiu stands up straight, before tempers can flare too much.
"Silence! Everyone, settle down at once. Lord Ge, please calm yourself. We are in accord, we need not spend all day debating strategies here. We have our objective and our targets." He says, in a clear yet firm voice, eventually calming the bickering and squabbling down, at least for now. Tensions still seem high, however. "Commandant Liang, the final decision is yours. Divide our forces as you see fit, and we shall deploy at once."
Firstly, do you agree with the strategy to divide Xinshen's forces into three, to dispatch the disparate bandit forces at once? You could certainly devise another, but you worry if you spend too long planning and talking, tensions in the room might meet boiling point.
[] [Strategy] Use the existing strategy to split into three and attack the enemy simultaneously
[] [Strategy] I have another plan! Write in.
You wonder about Ge Dejun, and how short his temper is... and also ponder your intentions in how to one day deal with the Ge. For now, how should you address him?
[] [Ge Dejun] Try and soothe him and placate him as best as you can. Show him as much respect as possible.
[] [Ge Dejun] Use this chance to insult and belittle him.
[] [Ge Dejun] Encourage him to charge the enemy and win glory, try and fire him up.
[] [Ge Dejun] Show concern about the size and strength of his own forces, and advise extreme caution.
[] [Ge Dejun] Speak to him in a neutral, courteous matter.
The westernmost bandit force, lead by Ku Jiu, is apparently the most mobile, with the largest concentration of cavalry that has been bolstered by Xiongnu mercenaries. They are moving fast from the north, and will soon be passing through light hills and ridges. Which force should intercept them?
[] [Ku Jiu] You and the Azure Lances can handle this.
[] [Ku Jiu] Prefect Zhang and the garrison are capable of dealing with this.
[] Ku Jiu] This is a job for Ge Dejun and the gentry.
The central force is the largest and strongest, battle hardened with previous victories. Huang Long's army is cutting towards Xinshen's heartlands, including the estates of much of the gentry. How will you hold them off?
[] [Huang Long] Use your strongest to fight their strongest. You will deal with this yourself.
[] [Huang Long] You have faith in Zhang Xiu's capabilities here.
[] [Huang Long] Ge Dejun wants glory, and to defend his family. Time for him to step up.
The eastern enemy is an army already battered by your own Azure Lances in a skirmish. Wang Dang is holding the rest together, but you do not think they will prove to be much of a threat. If you can guarantee a quick victory against them, you predict they will easily collapse and scatter.
[] [Wang Dang] You have dealt with them before, time to crush them for good.
[] [Wang Dang] Zhang Xiu's forces should have no problem here.
[] [Wang Dang] The gentry force is the weakest, but you think they should be able to defeat an already beaten foe.
You do have some concerns about the strength of the gentry forces, and also its leadership. Perhaps you could command it to be bolstered in some way?
[] [Gentry] The gentry army is fine, no need to interfere.
[] [Gentry] Ge Dejun is an untrustworthy snake and a liability. Order him to remain behind, give command of the gentry army to Zhang Liao, with Xu Jian and Ce Xiang to aid him and a portion of the Azure Lances to strengthen their ranks.
[] [Gentry] Have Xu Jian and Ce Xiang lead a portion of the Azure Lances to reinforce the gentry.
[] [Gentry] Request Zhang Xiu send some men from the garrison to bolster the gentry army.
You do also have a surplus of officers yourself, perhaps you could spare some to aid Zhang Xiu?
[] [Zhang Xiu] The Prefect is a capable man with capable men around him. He does not need help.
[] [Zhang Xiu] Send Mu Shun and Gongsun Ye to serve under Zhang Xiu directly for this battle.
[] [Zhang Xiu] Send Mu Shun and Gongsun Ye, with a portion of your Azure Lances to act as reinforcement.
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ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
I say we take the center force let the prefect take Ku Jiu and let the gentry sweep the already weakened force. And while speaking to Ge let's be polite and courteous we are the better man here. I'm also down for lending some officers to the prefect since we have so many I know he would at least accept them Ge wouldn't if we were to offer them.
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- Location
- Germany
Do we have more information about the dwindling force? Are they at the moment resting? Withdrawing or marching further towards Xinshen Town?
- Location
- UK
According to the newest scouting reports, all three seem to be moving in the direction of the city
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The Gentry are gonna get slapped if they take on the largest army, and any Azure Lances we give them will most likely be sacrificed because the Ge's are petty right now. Wouldnt the Gentry have the most Cavalry? That might make them best to deal with the cavalry force?
- Location
- barking
The gentry forces had during the last turn (before we broke them)
And the Garrison had before a possible last minute recruitment run
1st Ge Levy
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears
2nd Ge Levy
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears
Huo Levy
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords
1st Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Trained
- Spears
2nd Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Green
- Spears
3rd Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Green
- Spears
Xinshen Huntsmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Bows, Axes
Refugee Volunteer Archers
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Bows
Ge Household Riders
Troop Count - 150
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Armour, Steeds
Huo Mounted Guards
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Spears, Shields, Steeds
Xinshen Youths
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Swords, Steeds
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears
2nd Ge Levy
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears
Huo Levy
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords
1st Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Trained
- Spears
2nd Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Green
- Spears
3rd Gentry Levy
Troop Count - 150
Training - Green
- Spears
Xinshen Huntsmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Bows, Axes
Refugee Volunteer Archers
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Bows
Ge Household Riders
Troop Count - 150
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Armour, Steeds
Huo Mounted Guards
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Spears, Shields, Steeds
Xinshen Youths
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Swords, Steeds
And the Garrison had before a possible last minute recruitment run
Prefect's Mounted Guard
Troop Count - 50
Training - Veterans
- Swords, Armour, Steeds
Zhang's Wuwei Companions
Troop Count - 150
Training - Skillled
- Spears, Swords, Armour, Steeds
Hu's Qiang Mercenaries
Troop Count - 50
Training - Skilled
- Axes, Shields
City Guards
Troop Count - 80
Training - Regulars
- Halberds, Swords, Shields, Armour
Volunteer Watchmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Crossbows, Bludgeons, Armour
Town Watch
Troop Count - 150
Training - Adept
- Bludgeons, Armour
1st Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Shields, Armour
2nd Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Shields, Armour
3rd Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears, Shields, Armour
4th Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Spears, Shields, Armour
1st Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Halberds, Armour
2nd Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Halberds, Armour
3rd Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Halberds, Armour
1st Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields, Armour
2nd Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords, Shields, Armour
3rd Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords, Shields, Armour
1st Crossbow Militia
Troop Count -100
Training - Adept
-Crossbows, Swords
2nd Crossbow Militia
Troop Count -100
Training - Adept
-Crossbows, Swords
3rd Crossbow Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
-Crossbows, Swords
1st Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Bows, Swords
2nd Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows., Swords
3rd Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows, Swords
4th Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows., Swords
1st Mounted Militia
Troop Count - 50
Training - Adept
- Spears, Steeds
2nd Mounted Militia
Troop Count - 50
Training - Adept
- Spears, Steeds
Refugee Volunteers
Troop Count - 300
Training - Adept
- Spears, Shields
Kang Family Guard
Troop Count - 40
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Swords, Armour, Steeds
Duguo Militia
Troop Count - 120
Training - Adept
- Spears, Armour
Mercenary Axemen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Axes, Shields
Mercenary Crossbowmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Crossbows
Mercenary Riders
Troop Count - 50
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields, Steeds
Mercenary Bowmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Bows
Mercenary Swordsmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields
Various mass of untrained, unequipped commoners and levies
Troop Count - 50
Training - Veterans
- Swords, Armour, Steeds
Zhang's Wuwei Companions
Troop Count - 150
Training - Skillled
- Spears, Swords, Armour, Steeds
Hu's Qiang Mercenaries
Troop Count - 50
Training - Skilled
- Axes, Shields
City Guards
Troop Count - 80
Training - Regulars
- Halberds, Swords, Shields, Armour
Volunteer Watchmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Crossbows, Bludgeons, Armour
Town Watch
Troop Count - 150
Training - Adept
- Bludgeons, Armour
1st Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Shields, Armour
2nd Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Shields, Armour
3rd Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Adept
- Spears, Shields, Armour
4th Xinshen Levies
Troop Count - 200
Training - Trained
- Spears, Shields, Armour
1st Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Halberds, Armour
2nd Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Halberds, Armour
3rd Halberd Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Halberds, Armour
1st Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields, Armour
2nd Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords, Shields, Armour
3rd Sword Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Swords, Shields, Armour
1st Crossbow Militia
Troop Count -100
Training - Adept
-Crossbows, Swords
2nd Crossbow Militia
Troop Count -100
Training - Adept
-Crossbows, Swords
3rd Crossbow Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
-Crossbows, Swords
1st Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Adept
- Bows, Swords
2nd Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows., Swords
3rd Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows, Swords
4th Archer Militia
Troop Count - 100
Training - Trained
- Bows., Swords
1st Mounted Militia
Troop Count - 50
Training - Adept
- Spears, Steeds
2nd Mounted Militia
Troop Count - 50
Training - Adept
- Spears, Steeds
Refugee Volunteers
Troop Count - 300
Training - Adept
- Spears, Shields
Kang Family Guard
Troop Count - 40
Training - Regulars
- Spears, Swords, Armour, Steeds
Duguo Militia
Troop Count - 120
Training - Adept
- Spears, Armour
Mercenary Axemen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Axes, Shields
Mercenary Crossbowmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Crossbows
Mercenary Riders
Troop Count - 50
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields, Steeds
Mercenary Bowmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Bows
Mercenary Swordsmen
Troop Count - 100
Training - Regulars
- Swords, Shields
Various mass of untrained, unequipped commoners and levies
- Location
- Germany
Okay. Them being infantry means they should be the slowest of the three. I'm not sure if it is a feasible move, but I am somehow interested in achieving a local superiority in as many places as possible. Therefore, just throwing it out how bad would it be to discard one side and focus on the other two first and then turn to them. Either by following the doctrine of central position from Napoleon or by throwing two forces at one bandit force.
BTW @Gaz Were there any significant changes from the last turn for the other two armies? Or can I take them being nearly the same?
BTW @Gaz Were there any significant changes from the last turn for the other two armies? Or can I take them being nearly the same?
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Current Idea:
Detach a portion of skirmishers to attack Wang's army. Some night attacks and ambushes to his scouts will probably freeze the already terrified army, in fear of another ambush.
This would allow us to unify two forces to crush Huang's army, Liang and Zhang together. And then we could pull a defeat in detail on Wang or Ku as needed.
Ge Dejun can lead his army to defeat against the somewhat weaker forces of Ku. He might actually cause enough damage to stop the man.
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Essentially use Wang's recent defeat and low motivation to bluff him, so we can double team his stronger buddy and then come and run him down, while the Ge fight a cavalry heavy force under a poor commander, luckily they have the Imperial Army in reserve, and have hundreds of archers and cavalry, so they might actually do some damage before they lose.
Detach a portion of skirmishers to attack Wang's army. Some night attacks and ambushes to his scouts will probably freeze the already terrified army, in fear of another ambush.
This would allow us to unify two forces to crush Huang's army, Liang and Zhang together. And then we could pull a defeat in detail on Wang or Ku as needed.
Ge Dejun can lead his army to defeat against the somewhat weaker forces of Ku. He might actually cause enough damage to stop the man.
Edit:
Essentially use Wang's recent defeat and low motivation to bluff him, so we can double team his stronger buddy and then come and run him down, while the Ge fight a cavalry heavy force under a poor commander, luckily they have the Imperial Army in reserve, and have hundreds of archers and cavalry, so they might actually do some damage before they lose.
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Not many changes, just a few incremental improvements across the board.
Expect any bandit force you ignore to take anything not nailed down along their way
Okay...I say we take on their best, Ge Dejun can handle the rabble and the Prefect can deal with the Cavalry.
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Just found what inspired the idea for the Wnag bluff. Essentially an Empty Fort Strategy. Deceive Wang into slowing down or stopping for fear of a non existent ambush, then defeat Huang and then Wang in detail alongside Prefect Zhang.
Edit: Specific Battle that inspired me was the Battle of Han River. We just need a few hundred Cavalry and Skirmishers led by the locals and maybe a hero unit or two.
Edit 2: Cao Xing and Zhang Liao would probably be best for this kind of strategy, local knowledge and sheer talent and aggression.
Edit: Specific Battle that inspired me was the Battle of Han River. We just need a few hundred Cavalry and Skirmishers led by the locals and maybe a hero unit or two.
Edit 2: Cao Xing and Zhang Liao would probably be best for this kind of strategy, local knowledge and sheer talent and aggression.
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With the current plan:
West: if we're not in the center we should be here, otherwise either Zhang Xiu or the gentry with garrison support
Center: either we go personally to deal with the greatest threat or we eat a military loss to get rid of the politically inconvenient gentry by allowing our honored ally Ge Dejun to lead his troops
East: unsupported gentry or a weakened garrison
We could also try to let the gentry take the center, finish the east quickly and move to rescue them but that's pretty risky.
West: if we're not in the center we should be here, otherwise either Zhang Xiu or the gentry with garrison support
Center: either we go personally to deal with the greatest threat or we eat a military loss to get rid of the politically inconvenient gentry by allowing our honored ally Ge Dejun to lead his troops
East: unsupported gentry or a weakened garrison
We could also try to let the gentry take the center, finish the east quickly and move to rescue them but that's pretty risky.
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@Gaz, would you mind posting the current force compositions of the armies? I can't remember what everyone has besides the Azure Lances having a lot of cavalry.
Preliminary Thoughts:
Considering the cav-heavy enemies are going through a hilly area, I think we should leave this to someone other than the Azure Lances, since I think the hills would screw with our cav's ability to maneuver (their's too, which makes me question why they thought this was a good route to take). Zhang Xiu would be my first pick here.
With regards to Huang Long, I think this depends on whether we want to prioritize eliminating him or striking at the Ge. Their estate is right in his path, and Ge Dejun will probably get himself killed if we let him try to stop Huang Long. However, I'm kind of leaning more towards handling this ourselves, because I don't think harming the Ge now is worth both letting the largest of these enemy forces remain in play and almost certainly losing most of the Gentry Army.
With both of those decided, that leaves the Gentry Army to mop up the third force. Not much to say here, just have to hope that Ge Dejun isn't so incompetent that he'll manage to lose when the odds have been stacked as far in his favor as possible given the circumstances.
Preliminary Thoughts:
Considering the cav-heavy enemies are going through a hilly area, I think we should leave this to someone other than the Azure Lances, since I think the hills would screw with our cav's ability to maneuver (their's too, which makes me question why they thought this was a good route to take). Zhang Xiu would be my first pick here.
With regards to Huang Long, I think this depends on whether we want to prioritize eliminating him or striking at the Ge. Their estate is right in his path, and Ge Dejun will probably get himself killed if we let him try to stop Huang Long. However, I'm kind of leaning more towards handling this ourselves, because I don't think harming the Ge now is worth both letting the largest of these enemy forces remain in play and almost certainly losing most of the Gentry Army.
With both of those decided, that leaves the Gentry Army to mop up the third force. Not much to say here, just have to hope that Ge Dejun isn't so incompetent that he'll manage to lose when the odds have been stacked as far in his favor as possible given the circumstances.
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Or we pull an Empty Fort Strategy on Wang to delay him and team up with Zhang Xiu to crush the bandit centre and defeat the East in detail.