Asking for more than your people can give is a good way to get said people to start ignoring your orders and/or looking for alternatives.
Anyway, I'm not 100% convinced, but for now I think I'll go with
[X] Plan: Grow! Grow! Grow!
Time of the Gods: Into the Amber Age
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Anyway, I'm not 100% convinced, but for now I think I'll go with
[X] Plan: Grow! Grow! Grow!
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Good to have you onboard.
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They are attacks on the Crone, except instead of attacking with surplus of water, I want to draw it away. This far north they already know how to deal with heavy Snowstorm, but there is no way to deal with Drought. In the actual plan I have already switched one of them over to Draw Rain away as well. That far inland they depend more on hunting and farming instead of fishing and that would potentially kill their crops as well. Less direct but no less lethal to her people. Silver Moon and Moonlight would help boost that as well to ensure that they starve and dehydrate as well as mess with her Readings. Silver Moon also doesn't have the 40 DE, 2 Ambrosia costs, and high DC threshold.
Thinking about it her Mysticism is still rather low so studying ??? action might not work to well, so removing to add Incite Chaos for appeasement and shift the Sea action to another water action-Drain Well to further dessicate them. Looking at it again, it turns out I have 20 DE to spare so doubling up on Moonshine to further boosts Water actions and Silver Moon effects.
This puts over 100 DE into attacking the Crone while putting the rest of it into growth actions.
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Vehemence comes from damage done, not DE invested. Its a factor of buffing actions(Moon, Nox, Future reading) and target vulnerability.
She can ask Saiga to find us for her for better odds. If we're doing stuff away from the village, sure, but if we're hanging around for blessings, and meeting Saiga, she can.
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That's total waste of time and energy.
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True; DE invested is just a simple shorthand that usually serves to represent damage.
The fact of the matter is, Moonlight actions are only a minor buff AFAIK; off the cuff, I'd estimate that they give maybe a 20% boost to appropriate actions on average. Nox can probably give a 50% boost on top of everything. So together, you've roughly doubled the effect of all your divine moon-esque actions.
Thus, you are getting maybe 60 DE worth of attack using divine abilities, plus maybe 30 DE from lure (note that it is boosted by less the other stuff, since Nox does not apply). All together, you have less than 100 effective DE worth of damage to a target at range while our VE multiplier is at an all-time low.
I'm not confident that that will fill our coffers, especially if we don't do too great in the influence conflict.
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So you suggest dropping one Moonlight and instead adding more Inciting Chaos and Lure in its stead?
Mechanically he can find us...when his luck isn't crap.
And when we meet him.
Accounting for triple Water attacks and that increased Influence made our Water powers significantly cheaper AND more powerful?
Because a flood in winter kills
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
That's total waste of time and energy.
No. The composition of actions is sensible, especially since it boosts the social combat rolls we are likely to do. It just isn't particularly lucrative DE-wise. This is largely a consequence of us simultaneously not having enough boostable divine actions to apply and the low VE multiplier.
It isn't a problem with the plans, just a downside of this sort of warfare in our circumstances.
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That's total waste of time and energy.
Veekies plan is literally just provoking The Crone and starting a fight when we should be fixing all the shit we just broke.
We don't have a proper perform skill so our dominance attempt is gonna suffer for it, and we are attacking the wizard spirit on her home turf.
(Also would just like to remind everyone that if we lose the dominance attempt then we get dominated instead)
It could all go horribly wrong way to easily for me to call that plan anything other than a bad idea.
If we're going to play to pantheon politics game, lets take the time and effort to thoroughly fucking rig it in our favour first, instead of going off half cocked the moment it looks like we aren't completely screwed.
Happy now @Van Ropen? I actually explained why Veekies plan is a total waste of time and energy.
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What's this cheaper you speak of? they are more expensive now.
It made them cheaper? By my reckoning the became almost twice as expensive.
Anyway, to answer the question, our increased influence helps, but the increased distance hurts us, not to mention that the Crone will probably try to oppose us somehow. We haven't seen this situation before so it is hard to judge things exactly, but I think there is a significant chance (>10%) that the combination of distance and opposition makes enough of our attacks wiff that we don't even get up to full DE next turn, much less restore our Ambrosia to cap.
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What about mine? I don't spend the Ambrosia on Blacken and am not spending all of our Sustenance that would cause Gaerig to eat it all up anyway.
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Can I get a link to your plan, perhaps?
Then I can atleast rip it appart with facts instead of mudslinging.
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It is less risky, since it doesn't do blacken.
It is an interesting alternative; at leased based on a cursory check, I don't think it loses out to Veekie's plan, quality-wise.
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Something to note, Blessing for Growth sucks when Demand Appeasement isn't in effect, both in terms of DE returns and actual Growth.
The VE generation of the growth plan is also basically nonexistent.
In other words, both plans run the obvious risk of leaving us at half a tank or less next turn, with little sustenance.
If all goes well with the growth plan... We set up for another growth plan next turn. If it doesn't, we set up for a smaller growth plan next turn.
If all goes well with the attack plan, we set up for a big growth plan next turn - one backed by Demand Appeasement - Attrouska is neutered for a bit longer (best case she's deposed as Pantheon Head), and we figure out how effective Blacken is. If it doesn't go well, we explode for any of several reasons; or we end up bound - not dominated, I don't think a spirit can dominate a Local God even with the rules change, though a Spirit is no longer auto-dominated by said Local God - by the Ice Disk, which doesn't work nearly as well as it used to because we're no longer just Water, we are also the Night; or we lack the DE for anything more than a small growth turn backed by Demand Appeasement.
Pick your poison. I'd prefer to pick up another Moon or two, personally, or Manifest Darkness, and I think veekie's plan is more likely to do so.
The VE generation of the growth plan is also basically nonexistent.
In other words, both plans run the obvious risk of leaving us at half a tank or less next turn, with little sustenance.
If all goes well with the growth plan... We set up for another growth plan next turn. If it doesn't, we set up for a smaller growth plan next turn.
If all goes well with the attack plan, we set up for a big growth plan next turn - one backed by Demand Appeasement - Attrouska is neutered for a bit longer (best case she's deposed as Pantheon Head), and we figure out how effective Blacken is. If it doesn't go well, we explode for any of several reasons; or we end up bound - not dominated, I don't think a spirit can dominate a Local God even with the rules change, though a Spirit is no longer auto-dominated by said Local God - by the Ice Disk, which doesn't work nearly as well as it used to because we're no longer just Water, we are also the Night; or we lack the DE for anything more than a small growth turn backed by Demand Appeasement.
Pick your poison. I'd prefer to pick up another Moon or two, personally, or Manifest Darkness, and I think veekie's plan is more likely to do so.
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Soooooo why didn't you specify where we're draining wells and driving away rain?
that's probably gonna fuck our own people over.
Why are you even going to the imprisoned settlements? do you even have a point for that?
why are you going to saiga? he's made it clear that he doesn't have any more stories to tell.
about the personally incite, anything that might hurt our people right now is a no go, because were on the verge of something bad happening if any more people die.
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Panties, Revolution. Big Drawers. Parachute.
Challenge accepted.
Now, I want to know if something can be added to the plans: A demand for the villagers to make you something nice out of ice.
My thoughts:
1. Iceworking Craft skill is useful where we're at
2. Giant iceberg nearby
3. If we can get a shrine on top of it, we extend our influence a good amount
4. To do 3, we need 1 to happen.
So, they cultivate the skill to carve ice, we get a good spot for a shrine.
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My plan is also an attack one, but without Risking it all on Blacken