It was a joke about us not managing to raise a demispirit well enough for them to be spare arms, and thus not needing any other real cap.
EDIT: The setup does seem to make it easier to pop out a demispirit and then make a monster after so we get everything before the avatar rank hit. I think a demispirit is considerably less fun without sleep to skip its boring years, but i guess having one floating around wouldnt be the worst thing. I just hope we dont try to have a bunch the way we did as Harzivan trying to roll the dice for super legend. I don't think it is impossible for it to be worth it to have a straight up spirit child with Saiga either, depending on how he behaves when he returns. It seems like a good way to cement things.
I didn't change anything there. That was AN's own rule. Only the direct monster children of a parent spirit acted as fear-seekers, unless their passed-on traits were specifically designed for them to benefit from Fear (somewhat like Breathtaker).
[X] Have it forever ornament your shoal! (Gaerig permanently gains Moonbeam while she controls the Teeth of the Sea Holy Place; Moonbeam grants a Minor Legend roll whenever rolling a Major Astrology success or better.), disallows decomposing the Sphere for silver units, Major Legend roll
Alright, no new votes rolling in, and the ornament choice is overwhelmingly leading. I can shrink the vote period for this to lock it now. Everybody likes quick updates, at least.
[] Have it forever ornament your shoal! (Gaerig permanently gains Moonbeam while she controls the Teeth of the Sea Holy Place; Moonbeam grants a Minor Legend roll whenever rolling a Major Astrology success or better.), disallows decomposing the Sphere for silver units, Major Legend roll
Saiga Hunts
Survival rolled 10 vs 15
Saiga cannot find you in the sea despite being in Influence range (embarrassing); approaches your Holy Place instead!
With a final effort, you drive the sphere onto the highest crag on your shoal, grinding the stone and breaking it in a way you have seen nothing do before. When it has settled, you feel something click into place. It would take a grand effort, greater than the efforts you took to dislodge it from it's original home at least, to remove it now, despite it's seeming instability. The people point and shout by the shore, and some come out to pay homage to you and the sphere directly.
You suddenly whip the sea into a mad frenzy, going into tantrums and fury that the mortals would dare draw near the sphere, which is yours and yours alone! Even those upon the shore are badly battered or dead, and those who dared ride their boats out to see it are best not mentioning. You feel guilt, even through the pleasure feeding yourself gives, because when the heat of jealousy fades you know that you wish the people to see the sphere. You shouldn't have lost control.
You apologize by taking for yourself another beautiful pair of mortals to attend to you when the tides are low, so that they may see and bask in the sphere's reflected light first among your mortals.. You spend much time in introspection rather than ordering your attendants about, worried about your loss of control, your emotional response that ran counter to your actual desire.
You go to make yourself feel better by taking and drowning some more of Saiga's people, since intentional mayhem always makes you happy. You are beginning to think that Saiga doesn't even care when you sense him near the edge of your village shrine, coming ever closer! As the last time you had been caught by surprise, you swiftly swim back to your domain, outpacing him as he paddles along in his boat.
Race to the Holy Place!
Navigation + Avatar rolled 11 vs 8
Saiga arrives nearly the same time you do, no free Trickery
Saiga comes bearing a gift
Trade + Quality vs Awe + Shrine rolled 16 vs 16
Appreciated and... acceptable (no Lovestruck rounds)
(are you kidding me with this crit nonsense?)
Show Dominance - First Round
Perform + Awe rolled 8 vs 9
Minor success
Negotiation - Second Round
Trade + Priors rolled 10 vs 12
Minor success
You arrive latched beneath Saiga's canoe, dissolving and reforming near the sphere as you cross the boundary of the Holy Place. You are prepared for a fight, and when Saiga stops his canoe as he sees you, reaching into the hollow to pull something out, you very nearly react by whipping him and his boat into the rocks. Still, your curiosity gets the better of you and you wait as he reveals a large tusk, carved into the likeness of you as you lay upon a rock. It is simple, and cannot compare to the sphere, but Saiga's work is good, catching your eye. Gently, he lowers it to the water and lets it sink into the shoal where you will be able to look at it more later. For a short moment the two of you are locked in the silent battle of your last meeting, before he breaks it suddenly to speak, his voice richer than the wordless noises he made during your last meeting would have you expect.
"Gaerig, please turn away your wrath from my village, in exchange for this gift made in your image and beauty!" he exclaims. "I promise such offerings for all time, Gaerig! Please, pledge yourself to me as I would to you!"
Well. This was unexpected.
[Trade encounters have shorter dominance showings and are explicitly give-and-take encounters. The presenter (aggressor) in a trade offers a set of things they would like, and the holder (defender) attempts to negotiate a number of things they would like in return for the presenter's demands, having the ability to deny certain conditions based on the competing parties relative bargaining positions and personalities.]
[Plan creation will unlocked TWO HOURS after this has been posted: Before then, you may freely make player proxy votes if you feel you will not have the time/access to vote in the next ~24 hours. Planners and voters, know that if you take advantage of the trust of people who voted for you (on the premise that you would produce or vote for a certain type of plan for them), this experiment will be ended immediately.]
[] Acquiesce to Saiga's first condition (not voting for this is implicit refusal of the condition, can be difficult and will likely upset Saiga).
[] Acquiesce to Saiga's second condition (binds Gaerig and Saiga together in marriage, much easier to refuse).
[] Give something else instead of either condition (can upset Saiga regardless of what is offered if it doesn't include easing up on his fishers).
[] Demand more in exchange for granted requests.
-[] What kind of things?
I will resist cracking commitment jokes. I will resist cracking commitment jokes. I will resist cracking commitment jokes...
[] Acquiesce to Saiga's first condition (not voting for this is implicit refusal of the condition, can be difficult and will likely upset Saiga).
[] Acquiesce to Saiga's second condition (binds Gaerig and Saiga together in marriage, much easier to refuse).
So what exactly are the effects of the two conditions? Especially the first, would we be bound such that we outright can't lure/whip waves/anything else his people? If so, how long would that last and how could we undo it? A trade of our own? Trickery? Or would we have to have a hostile confrontation with Saiga?
It's a trade encounter and you're a little ahead as it stands. You can debate on what else you want to ask of him, in addition to whether or not you want to accept his base offers.
So what exactly are the effects of the two conditions? Especially the first, would we be bound such that we outright can't lure/whip waves/anything else his people? If so, how long would that last and how could we undo it? A trade of our own? Trickery? Or would we have to have a hostile confrontation with Saiga?
He's trading a trinket for your appeasement. It's a temporary preventative measure. He'd have to do multiple aggressive dominance encounters and force it as a concession to make it more lasting. And all told, you're still a mischief spirit; your word isn't worth much (though it might anger people if you repeatedly break your word).
Look, guy, we've met twice by now. It might be a bit early for the marriage proposals. Also, I don't ship it, so the second proposal gets a definite no for me!
I am also kinda opposed to the first one, although we could loophole our way out of it with monsters or perhaps by making such large-scale movements that his village is only collateral damage.
You apologize by taking for yourself another beautiful pair of mortals to attend to you when the tides are low, so that they may see and bask in the sphere's reflected light first among your mortals.. You spend much time in introspection rather than ordering your attendants about, worried about your loss of control, your emotional response that ran counter to your actual desire.
You go to make yourself feel better by taking and drowning some more of Saiga's people, since intentional mayhem always makes you happy. You are beginning to think that Saiga doesn't even care when you sense him near the edge of your village shrine, coming ever closer! As the last time you had been caught by surprise, you swiftly swim back to your domain, outpacing him as he paddles along in his boat.
It's a binding commitment, but it really doesn't stop either of you from sleeping around freely. View it in the political sense of a marriage, it ties you to the other spirit and each of you have obligations to protect each other and share your abilities.
If either of you are a member of a pantheon, you are also now a member of your partner's pantheon.
It wouldn't immediately grant you DE or cap, no, but it would widen your influence radius greatly, and positively impact population modifier (more people under your influence).
It's a trade encounter and you're a little ahead as it stands. You can debate on what else you want to ask of him, in addition to whether or not you want to accept his base offers.
He's trading a trinket for your appeasement. It's a temporary preventative measure. He'd have to do multiple aggressive dominance encounters and force it as a concession to make it more lasting. And all told, you're still a mischief spirit; your word isn't worth much (though it might anger people if you repeatedly break your word).
Oh cool; especially with that accidental destruction to our own people this turn I'd like us to take a couple turns to bless and explore to help/let pop mod replenish anyway how long is temporary anyway? Like how long until we don't have to use trickery or take a hit with Saiga to be destructive with his people again?
Look, guy, we've met twice by now. It might be a bit early for the marriage proposals. Also, I don't ship it, so the second proposal gets a definite no for me!
We've reached the point where being allowed to serve us is a blessing, yay! Now we just need to make everyone else realise that.
I agree about the second proposal, but I'll poi t out that we've just reached the point that Gaerig thinks that serving us is a blessing, not that our people do
I know we fear commitment with a passion, but I'm inclined to say yes to both.
We've reached the point we were probably going to lay off Saiga's people for a turn or two anyway, and I think I've stated how Saiga and Gaerig are well suited for a sort of give-and-take relationship where Saiga is the protector of the people and Gaerig represents the hostile natural world.
We could definitely do worse for husbando than an apparently reasonable innovation-spirit guy. I would say that we make the acceptance conditional on his explaining what the deal is with the Crone however.
Oh cool; especially with that accidental destruction to our own people this turn I'd like us to take a couple turns to bless and explore to help/let pop mod replenish anyway how long is temporary anyway? Like how long until we don't have to use trickery or take a hit with Saiga to be destructive with his people again?
I agree about the second proposal, but I'll poi t out that we've just reached the point that Gaerig thinks that serving us is a blessing, not that our people do
Depends on how much you accept without taking anything back. You could manage to seem magnanimous negotiating a single year, or, with other demands made, you might seem like a skinflint for anything less than three or four.
Look, guy, we've met twice by now. It might be a bit early for the marriage proposals. Also, I don't ship it, so the second proposal gets a definite no for me!
I am also kinda opposed to the first one, although we could loophole our way out of it with monsters or perhaps by making such large-scale movements that his village is only collateral damage.
Can we offer a set period of time to not disturb Saiga's villagers, but word it just ambiguously enough that no one is perfectly sure when it ends? Then, as the "now Gaerig's wrath shall return" possible dates file path, people's growing dread will mount and mount... And of course, when we finally screw with them, we do it from a direction they have no way of expecting, probably by building up other elemental traits at home.
Depends on how much you accept without taking anything back. You could manage to seem magnanimous negotiating a single year, or, with other demands made, you might seem like a skinflint for anything less than three or four.
Would our minor successes be enough to make "accept first deal, we put a shrine in his village and he tells us about the crone" reasonable enough for 2 years of no attacks to seem fair then? I'm really not sure how much successes are worth here... Also, you mentioned something about marriage involving sharing our abilities? Does that mean "tell each other what we can do", "help each other out with abilities", "discounts on each other's abilities", or something else?
Can we offer a set period of time to not disturb Saiga's villagers, but word it just ambiguously enough that no one is perfectly sure when it ends? Then, as the "now Gaerig's wrath shall return" possible dates file path, people's growing dread will mount and mount... And of course, when we finally screw with them, we do it from a direction they have no way of expecting, probably by building up other elemental traits at home.
Still, your curiosity gets the better of you and you wait as he reveals a large tusk, carved into the likeness of you as you lay upon a rock. It is simple, and cannot compare to the sphere, but Saiga's work is good, catching your eye. Gently, he lowers it to the water and lets it sink into the shoal where you will be able to look at it more later.
"Gaerig, please turn away your wrath from my village, in exchange for this gift made in your image and beauty!" he exclaims. "I promise such offerings for all time, Gaerig! Please, pledge yourself to me as I would to you!"
Currently on the table:
Saiga wants:
-Condition One: Stop smashing up his village as long as he offers tribute.
-Condition Two: Marry him.
Saiga gives:
-Tribute for all time.
-His hand in marriage
We have two minor advantages. We can use these to deny or defer Condition Two, OR to add subtext to his Conditions.
Condition One is acceptable, with two consecutive turns of of heavy abuse we can't keep it up any longer anyways. We'd want to start abusing them again at some point however.
Condition Two binds us to his pantheon, if he has one, and vice versa. It means we have a beatstick if someone wants to fuck with us, which is always handy, but of course.
Currently considering like so:
[] Plan Weddings Mean Shared Assets right?
-[] Acquiesce to Saiga's first condition (not voting for this is implicit refusal of the condition, can be difficult and will likely upset Saiga).
-[] Acquiesce to Saiga's second condition (binds Gaerig and Saiga together in marriage, much easier to refuse).
-[] Demand more in exchange for granted requests.
--[] That you would agree to the first so long as his people sacrifice to you whenever they would sacrifice to him.
--[] That he builds you a shrine, equal in grandeur to his own before you would marry him.
How does that look?
Exceeding the minor advantage we have? Within reason?
Hmm, needs work. We need the freedom to abuse his people to some extent, even if the partnership goes permanent, or his followers are simply going to be more successful than ours, period.
*Back the the drawing board*
how long is temporary anyway? Like how long until we don't have to use trickery or take a hit with Saiga to be destructive with his people again?
