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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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DeAnno said:
People making the argument that the 1 AP will be spent on bad arts anyways are being idiotic. It's not like we seek out bad arts to train, we get arts because we think they will be good and sometimes for one reason or another they don't work out.

The comparison that actually makes sense is SP. 16 AP of lost job actions is 16*15.5 = 248 SP. That's lost pills and lost tutoring that could be spent on accomplishing Shenua's insane goal and providing for our family in the future. 16 lost AP is not some rounding error to throw away, it's a huge amount that could easily be the difference between winning and losing. We're basically gambling 248 SP on a mystery box here, from a perspective of trying to survive what by all appearances is a very difficult challenge and not be replaced.
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To me it's about priority.

I think that a major motivation for Ling Qi working for CRX is because she wanted to be able to create and establish a solid clan as soon as possible. As such, lowering, probably significantly, the odds of succeeding at a test Shenhua gives us is acceptable given that spending time with our household and our family is the reason for even wanting that test. Not putting the cart before the horse and all that.

Obviously, it depends on what you want Ling Qi's reasoning for her desires to be, and it also depends on how you want her to approach said duties. I, however, am OK with failing Shenhua's test if it means a more healthy (or what I consider healthy) foundation for our clan.
 
DeAnno said:
I don't understand how you think we'll even have much of a clan if we fail Shenua's test. At best we'll be yesterday's discarded news like Gan Guangli.
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Well, Shenhua did leave a chance for GG to redeem himself (however small), but even if we assume we won't have such a chance.... We'd still be Green 5/6 at 17.

Even in the worst scenarios, CRX would still very much want us to be around to help her, we'd just not benefit a tenth as much from benefits from her. Which, hey, I am fine with.
 
[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
 
Arkeus said:
Even in the worst scenarios, CRX would still very much want us to be around to help her, we'd just not benefit a tenth as much from benefits from her. Which, hey, I am fine with.
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So you're fine with possibly totally sabotaging our future to spend a little more time with Mom and Biyu for a year or so? Good to know.
 
[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
 
[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
 
Neshuakadal said:
This seems pretty extreme to me. Will spending more time with our family make things harder? Yes. But I don't think it even has a chance to totally sabotage us.
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I don't think DeAnno is talking about the decision of Arkeus but the reasoning behind it. For me, choosing the family option is fine, not everybody has the same opinions, but beliving that we can afford to fail Cai Rexiang and Cai Shenshua is asking for problems. Shenshua isn't understanding or nice or anything like that: if we fail her, it means we're not good enough for the investment, that Rexiang has poor judgment, that she's not fit to be a leader and it will have heavy consequences for Ling Qi and Rexiang.
 
I think people are seeing the "1 AP" and thinking this is some insignificant nothing. This is actually roughly seven times as important as your average plan vote with 3 AP different, as it's a reassignment of 22 AP. It has a massive effect on basically everything, and even worse, it directly hurts how much we can benefit from pills in the future because it eats an extra action each turn.

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LotusPocus said:
I don't think DeAnno is talking about the decision of Arkeus but the reasoning behind it. For me, choosing the family option is fine, not everybody has the same opinions, but beliving that we can afford to fail Cai Rexiang and Cai Shenshua is asking for problems. Shenshua isn't understanding or nice or anything like that: if we fail her, it means we're not good enough for the investment, that Rexiang has poor judgment, that she's not fit to be a leader and it will have heavy consequences for Ling Qi and Rexiang.
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I believe, or I want to, Ling Qi to work for CRX because it helps her in her goals of creating a clan and household. The actual ideology is something Ling Qi can come to appreciate, but it isn't I think her first reason for this choice currently. As such, working to make our household better and spending time with it takes priority over succeeding on Shenhua's tasks, as Shenhua's tasks are mainly needed to help our household anyway.

That is not to say there isn't a balancing act- if I felt that this would mean absolutely no chance to reach Shenhua's goals I would change my vote. Likewise, if I felt it had no chance of actually helping Zhengui/Sixiang/Hanyi, or Qingge, or helping Ling Qi's characterisation, I would also change my vote.

As is, though, I think it is worth the significant risk.
 
Arkeus said:
That is not to say there isn't a balancing act- if I felt that this would mean absolutely no chance to reach Shenhua's goals I would change my vote. Likewise, if I felt it had no chance of actually helping Zhengui/Sixiang/Hanyi, or Qingge, or helping Ling Qi's characterisation, I would also change my vote.
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You are just way more optimistic than me. For me, the goal Shenhua set before Ling Qi is at the bare edge of what's possible and very hard to reach for us, no matter the circumstances. Diverting 5% of our effort (1 AP/turn) to something not related to reaching such a ludicrous goal sounds to me as if it would make reaching it impossible. If 100% are 'barely enough, maybe reaching it with a finger's wide to spare', then 95% are just not enough.

Maybe I am too pessimistic about it; I don't know.
 
To be honest, I don't feel that our ability to meet our goals is something that'll be decided with 20 AP spent grinding archive arts or doing busywork. Which is what we'd be taking this out of.

Much more of that will be reached based on elements beyond our control, so yeah, I see this as a reasonable investment, equal to a sect job every month. That it gives us no immediate return doesn't mean a stronger and more coherent household never will.

Plus, who knows? Maybe this will get the comb payoff.
 
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I think we'd have a much easier time reconnecting then we would salvaging any political or way failure(not that I think this will effect our way even if it were a start to trend).
 
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DeAnno said:
So you're fine with possibly totally sabotaging our future to spend a little more time with Mom and Biyu for a year or so? Good to know.
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More times with Zhengui and hanyi too. They are part of our familly too.

We joined CRX for our familly.

yrsillar said:
"Your daughter offers me strength and a solid foundation from which to grow, for both myself and my family," she said, being careful to speak evenly without going too fast or too slow. "And I think I would like to live in and up to the sort of order she wishes to create."
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If being with CRX means not priotirising our familly, it's going against the very reason we joined her. So yes, I am perfectly fine with sabotaging our future with CRX for our familly, because our future with CRX was chosen for the explicit reason of helping our familly.
 
20 AP are several levels in Arts.
That's like fighting Ji Rong at the tournament with several of our highest Art levels missing. Ji Rong would have face rolled Ling Qi in that case.

It's an investment that might pay off in the future, but it should sink our chances of meeting Shenhua's endgoal. Which in turn would lower the prospects of our family's standing. Which is a perfectly fine trade off to make, I just don't buy theories like "Oh, we can totally spend time on family and still meet our ambitious goals. There is no trade off involved at all."
 
veekie said:
-Xuan Shi - We've passed over his link twice now, because of various more urgent concerns. I don't think any of us would contest that our family concerns are going to be prioritized over him.
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Blleaergh WHAT, hold up, Xuan Shi's actually decently high up my list. He's ducal investment, of course he's important. The only reason he isn't at top is because CRX, GG, Spirits stuff

also lots of arguments in discord. So in behalf of them, let me put forward my argument once again

EternalObserver said:
I should also mention that had we chosen to go with Xiao Fen first, a similar option might appear where we may or may not decide to spend more AP on our junior sister.

THIS tells me that while status quo states that we still interact with those characters, we can spend more time with them with 1 AP cost. In other words should condition allows it, we can spend AP with our friends as well.

And right now, CRX is said to be straining herself at the moment. In future turns, the same may apply to CRX and our other friends. This rings alarms as while we obviously want to help our friends, we can only do it so much as it would in turn sacrifice our cultivation time.

This is the kind of choice that I would totally do for CRX and GG (Yes, GG even though he is Outer Sect, I want him to succeed) even at the cost of cultivating. And this is not decision to be taken lightly.

Hence why I really need to know the complete benefits of choosing to spend more time with family.

Until then, this is my choice

[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
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Please consider how much AP will be spending for this.
 
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