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He who vegetates
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[X] Zhengui would be awakening soon. You doubt that he will be able to control his size fully right away. Arrange to bring him to an open area near town after his awakening, for a family visit.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Sure, but the big argument was we were exploring, so do the explore social to get bonuses. So you can't disentangle them in the way you're suggesting - it was effectively part of a plan.
Also the prior Zeqing / family vote arguably was similar in nature
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[X] Zhengui would be awakening soon. Arrange for transportation, so that you can take your family out to see his awakening. Your arts will be more than enough to ensure their safety for a short trip.
This is what childhood friends are for!
Worth elaborating for those not as familiar with the Faux-China of Xianxia and Wuxia.
-Your teacher is considered the same as your parent socially speaking. This is usually limited to an apprenticeship or other forms of extended personal mentoring.
-Your teacher's disciples are considered your siblings. They are not considered siblings to your blood siblings, nor of any relation to your blood parents.
-Your teacher's blood children don't actually relate to you at all. However, in many cases their blood children are ALSO their disciples, so that falls under the above case.
-Your disciples would consider your teacher to be their grandparent, and your fellow disciples to be aunts and uncles.
Basically instead of kinship passed by blood connection, its a bond held together by the Arts you share.
Well, treating a spirit beast as a more powerful version of the base animal gives you a rough approximation.
Doesn't work at all with spirits, which appear human enough to pull out human responses, but aren't human at all in their reactions.
Makes things deadly.
Sort of ghost.
She's the living ghost of a neverborn child, from before the dawn of the empire
Well, her species is famously possessive. Easier to work on it now than later though. Once she hits the later Green stages I don't think she's going to change much.
lil turtle becoming hueg turtle
Gui: "Five more minutes"
Does Hanyi even HAVE a title yet? Also do spirits get Title Cards?
Mothering is universal enough I suppose.
Six: "This conversation is getting awkward. REROLLS AWAY!"
LQ: "Look theres no point decorating if I'm going to be moving to a new place every other month"
Six: "And the dress?"
LQ: "It has the best stats"
Six is a pro. She got the little sisters to agree on something by simple bad copping.
...while giving Biyu headpats.
Qingge...wants to help but is getting the sense that even the Cultivators don't really know what to do about Ling Qi's Ling Qi-ness.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
Is that supposed to be threat or thread?
Hi pot, meet kettle. Those poor sods who were in Ling Qi's preliminary fight still have nightmares, I bet.
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- Earth
now now, Ling Qi does not disregard those weaker than her. She does not notice them.
Hanyi
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- California
Do we have a plan for Ling Qi's future build? Right now she seems like a fairly balanced and versatile character with strong options for attacking, debuffing, and defending. With the current mechanics, a balanced character might actually be optimal due to the continuously increasing costs of advancing attribute levels. A versatile character also gives us more options, which SV is well suited to take advantage of. I'm not sure if this is what people here want to aim for though.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I am aiming for a Bard build. Someone that can run away when alone, buff allies when in a group and is social and sneaky enough to get what she wants without fighting.
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- United States of America
I have a couple of thoughts regarding Ling Qi's future build. I really like the idea of setting up zone controls where we trap people in areas that we manipulate to be heavily in our favor and then whittle them down while they can't do anything. To do this, I would prefer focusing on AoE techniques (like FVM and PLR), defensive techniques, and support techniques to allow our allies to make the most out of the situations we create. Additionally, advancing our stealth should be valuable by forcing the opponent to focus on the more obvious threats such as Zhengui and Hanyi which leaves us free to support and debuff.
I have been an advocate of getting a summoning art to really crank up the allies we can assist with support arts, but with the combination of Zhengui and Hanyi I don't think we will need summons and that summons will water down other areas of our focus. Additionally, we have plenty of potential multi-attacker effects already (Zhengui x2, Hanyi, us, FVM, domain weapon, and PLR) that adding more to the multi-attacker effects will not be as beneficial as setting up our current effects. And while I acknowledge the possibility of having to switch FVM out for another art, I would rather that art be a direct successor or filling substantially the same role.
Defensively, I see us focusing on dodge primarily, and I would like us to start moving into the areas of regeneration and healing. TRF has served us well, but Ling Qi has noted that it's themes of crazy armor and tanking the shots does not fit with well with her mindset of movement. However, dodging and regeneration work well together because the small amounts of damage that actually land can be recovered from and it doesn't conflict with the mindset of movement. Stealth also works for this as it takes longer for the opponent to find us which gives us more time to regenerate any damage they did.
Moving on to social aspects of Ling Qi's job, I see us as more of an asset in diplomatic ventures than for spy and thieving. Ideally, we will be able to use stealth so that only the people we are talking to know that we are in the area and we can use our music ability to properly and effectively communicate themes and ideas and goals succinctly. And while I see us more of a diplomatic tool, our stealth will still be valuable in uncovering information that people are trying to hide and then using that information for leverage in our own negotiations and diplomatic ventures.
So I see us as a music/stealth character who uses their music to set up zones upon which they can dominate the battlefield while remaining hidden and letting our wonderful spirit beasts get all of the attention while also using said music and stealth to more effectively convince are diplomatic ties to back certain agendas that Cai Renxiang has.
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I like this plan but I'm not sure if it would be the most effective. I think Ling Qi would like a dodging and regeneration focused defense more than our current style of defense. However, is focusing solely on dodging for defense really more effective than mixing dodging and TRF-style defense, even if both end up slightly weaker? Also, would we really still be as effective as a combatant if we focused primarily on debuffs instead of mixing debuffs and direct attacks (CtE, Domain Weapon increasing penetration, etc.)? Narrowing our skillset down might make intuitive sense from a min-maxing perspective, but I'm not sure if it actually make sense with the current mechanics.
I agree that stealth is theoretically very useful regardless, and we should look into training stealth arts when we can.
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Honestly it's hard to come up with any changes that are drastically different from the current build due to how the arts are drip fed but we really could use more single target offensive skills.
As for the social aspect the continual push of SV towards morality is unsurprising, but with even Cai pushing Qi towards being a diplomancer/entertainment against the character's own traits is nearly unpalatable. Really hoping for a push back from our little thief towards being more of a spook/wraith.
As for the social aspect the continual push of SV towards morality is unsurprising, but with even Cai pushing Qi towards being a diplomancer/entertainment against the character's own traits is nearly unpalatable. Really hoping for a push back from our little thief towards being more of a spook/wraith.
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- Alaska
She already has great area skills and room to grow there, but she's eventually going to get caught alone with the princess , or a Khan or something , and then we're going to be wishing for better face breaking skills.
[X] Zhengui would be awakening soon. Arrange for transportation, so that you can take your family out to see his awakening. Your arts will be more than enough to ensure their safety for a short trip.
Dawww, her first family vacation.
[X] Zhengui would be awakening soon. Arrange for transportation, so that you can take your family out to see his awakening. Your arts will be more than enough to ensure their safety for a short trip.
Dawww, her first family vacation.
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HR and CtE are pretty good face breaking skills. Spiritual Hit and Spiritual Penetration (for FSS at least) are also among our strongest attributes.
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- Cali
Hrmm, can our Call to Ending use Hanyi's Hoarfrost Caress instead of our Hoarfrost Refrain to get damage out faster? It's clear that the arts have the same root after all, but are they named differently specifically so that we can't do this?
Right, yes, I had thoughts about this.
Our theoretical use of stealth is not something we can get for free. The question then becomes "what does stealth allow us to replace?". The answer, I would argue, is a) it can be a form of offensive buff and b) it can serve as defense.
More specifically, it can replace physical defense, and even more specifically, dodge.
The basic point here is that with our fields (which are necessary to the whole playstyle) we still need good spiritual defense in order to handle people counterattacking into them as well as assholes like us. In terms of physical damage, well, if we're in stealth then the main threat is AoE and high-perception high-accuracy sniper builds. Armor then should be our next priority. Dodge then becomes our lowest priority defensive investment.
This is not to say that we should ignore dodge. Obviously we need it to reach a certain minimum level. Merely that if we're trying to use stealth like that then we shouldn't really be going for more than SCS + a passable level of dodge. Other areas are more important to invest in.
... that being said, there is a degree of thematic incongruity in going high stealth + armor rather than dodge...
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Our primary goals right now are to get as strong as possible for the tournament and to maximize our ranking by the end of our time in the sect. Picking up stealth without carefully weighing choices for our build is a bad idea if we don't want to end up like Gan Guangli or worse.
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No?
We have to sacrifice *something* for stealth. The more we integrate stealth into our build then the more we can get from our investment into it, and the more our sacrifice is paid back. To say nothing of creating a more coherent build that makes full use of all of our tools.
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Can't we still rely on dodging instead of armor even with stealth? We would just be relying on not getting hit instead of mitigating damage if our stealth fails and we're attacked.
Are you saying that the few attacks that can reach us even while we're in stealth can be more easily defended against with armor rather than dodging?
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Yes and no. It depends on what kinds of attacks are most likely to be a problem for us through stealth. For example, wide area AoE's that are hard to dodge but have work penetration are an obvious way to address us being hard to target, and would be best countered by armor.
That being said, the counterargument is potentially that our fields (FVM and PLR) thematically should work better with dodge than armor.
Spiritual does need to be a higher priority for us though.