Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Preservation. So much had been lost, so much taken. One chop after another, felling the Forest People, a thousand insults, changes to the ways of the ancestors. Insidious things, whispers claiming betterment, superiority, even kindness. Lies all, Lies all! The stone builders, the Heavenly Jailors, the Hill Burners, the False Dreamers, the Slayer of Foundations! None had ever been worthy. Each seeking merely to crack the shell of the last and chosen people, the final stewards of the diviner's legacy. Conquerors and Kin of Beasts!

Thieves and despoilers all, that would taint even the kin, take from them the last vestiges of pride and identity. Still waters deep and cold would bear no more, would drown it all, before surrender. Ten thousand years of history sang in the foundations and the depths, and would not go quiet into the night

Chain Breaker.

Legends shall die. Heroes shall die. History shall die. Songs shall die. Languages shall die. Petty little nations shall end.

The Crucible would devour them all, and let there be only one people, one DAWN, and one future. Tradition wields no swords, raises no shields, marshals no armies, fills no bellies, fulfills no lives. False comfort, aiding none.

Scream then, rage then, if you would not go quiet. The result is the same.

It might be the Liminal affecting things, but not being so far into the metaphor zone as before is very cool. And as sneaky as LQ usually is, she also likes to fly. Now is the time to soar among the roaring fire of our Sovereign passenger, rather than get mixed up in the dangers Shu Yue and Still Waters Deeping must be throwing at each other.

[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.

The Crucible would devour them all, and let there be only one people, one DAWN, and one future. Tradition wields no swords, raises no shields, marshals no armies, fills no bellies, fulfills no lives. False comfort, aiding none.

It's interesting how much backlash there is to this; you can read this as positive.

All people are created equal is how I read 'one people', the idea that there are not better or worse peoples, just one people and we are all the same in the end.

We all face the same future. We all stand under the same sun. Honestly, swap devoured for connect and dawn for spring, and this could be a description of Ling Qi's way.

The breezes would connect them all, and let there be only one people, one spring, and one future. Tradition wields no swords, raises no shields, marshals no armies, fills no bellies, fulfills no lives. False comfort, aiding none.

I think the idea that we are all equal is so internalized that people are missing that SWD's way explicitly rejects it. SWD says the ones who matter are the descendants of the Meng and everyone else can go drown.

It's notable that being culturally 'modern' is usually about not having restrictions on your life about what you are going to do, who you are going to marry, where you are going to live. Which makes "chain-breaker" make a lot more sense. To get to a point where people can choose for themselves, there's a lot of metaphorical chains to be broken.

I think the thing that reassured me most was that there was no reference to a ruler or an empire or anything like that. It does not seem like the heron general's way is to impose governance.

Are we really not taking this into account? This seems important too.

This is interesting because on the surface, fire and steel are exactly opposite from ice and song.

But both the general's way and our way are about endings. In the same way that cold and isolation kill, flame and steel kill. So I think that 'bringing about the end' will resonate a lot stronger than ice and fire will cause dissonance.

It's an interesting difference between the two ways too: ling Qi has everything ending in winter, to clear away the old so the new can be born, but almost passively. Things end. She just encourages them to a bit. Xia Ren has (almost?) everything ending in fire, so that the reforging afterwards can be better. Very active, an attempt to shape the future.
 
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[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that

There is No Safe Choice here, only a choice of risk.

I am willing to take the risk that the one who isn't trying to kill or corrupt or otherwise unduly damage us will be more manageable than doubling down on Ling Qi's nastiest tendencies. You can't reach the top without owning what you've wrought--for good or for ill.

Yes, there is a time for discretion and sneakiness.

But that is not in the Parlour Room Scene when the Culprit is being unmasked and identified by the detectives

This is absolutely the time where you stand out with the authorities at your back and denounce the culprit.

We're not just the Shadow of the Cai, we are Ling Qi, the Emissary of the Emerald Seas. When someone must be brought low, you meet their gaze and openly tell them why they have failed.
 
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The two situations are similar, IMO.

And I also think the argument that soaring high is showing our conviction to be very faulty. The fact that we immediately said yes to this, and are carrying a Sovereign into the Deep Liminal to fight another while we are an itty bitty Green is also proof enough of conviction.
Aren't we in the shallows of the Liminal?
"...It is possible. The hunt is disrupted, the prey has its back up. I may not be able to take their throat and drag them into the deep dream, where the harm would be minimized, though I am certain he is hiding there in the shallows," Shu Yue said carefully. "This was my intent. If it comes to open blows, the sword which rends history will be much better suited to end things decisively."
 
It's interesting how much backlash there is to this; you can read this as positive.

All people are created equal is how I read 'one people', the idea that there are not better or worse peoples, just one people and we are all the same in the end.

We all face the same future. We all stand under the same sun. Honestly, swap devoured for link and dawn for spring, and this could be a description of Ling Qi's way.

I think the idea that we are all equal is so internalized that people are missing that SWD's way explicitly rejects it. SWD says the ones who matter are the descendants of the Meng and everyone else can go drown.

It's notable that being culturally 'modern' is usually about not having restrictions on your life about what you are going to do, who you are going to marry, where you are going to live. Which makes "chain-breaker" make a lot more sense. To get to a point where people can choose for themselves, there's a lot of metaphorical chains to be broken.

I think the thing that reassured me most was that there was no reference to a ruler or an empire or anything like that. It does not seem like the heron general's way is to impose governance.

Um, what?

Legends shall die. Heroes shall die. History shall die. Songs shall die. Languages shall die. Petty little nations shall end.

The Crucible would devour them all,


There's a word for what it means when you extinguish history, songs, languages, and "petty little nations."
 
I am willing to take the risk that the one who isn't trying to kill or corrupt or otherwise unduly damage us will be more manageable than doubling down on Ling Qi's nastiest tendencies. You can't reach the top without owning what you've wrought--for good or for ill.

Yes, there is a time for discretion and sneakiness.
We are being sneaky to protect us and prevent Conceptual Damage, if it works is another story thanks to the dices. But i think we have a better chance thanks to our nature. Besides, the guy will have to focus on 2 things at the same time if he wants to deal with us separately, something he can't afford while fighting the General, so if he dares to attack, he would be at a disadvantage I believe.
 
We are being sneaky to protect us and prevent Conceptual Damage, if it works is another story thanks to the dices. But i think we have a better chance thanks to our nature. Besides, the guy will have to focus on 2 things at the same time if he wants to deal with us separately, something he can't afford while fighting the General, so if he dares to attack, he would be at a disadvantage I believe.

This is a tribulation, dice are not in play. The Consequences are entirely on our Choices.

And there is no safe passage here, only what specific form of risk and damage we're exposing ourself to.
 
There's a word for what it means when you extinguish history, songs, languages, and "petty little nations."

Time? Change?

Nothing lasts. Nations end, languages die, songs are lost, history is forgotten. It just happens eventually to everything. This is just endings, which we too are cultivating.

The things that are important are the people living now rather than maintaining the glories of the people who made them in the past.
 
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.

Xia Ren has to be inspired by Fireflys Operative right? Just without the crocodile tears?

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Proudly proclaiming herself as is her wont, skulking feels wrong in this situation. We are not infiltrating, thats done with, we are finishing what we started with Xia Ren as our proxy.
Yeah, we shouldn't even be here. And this situation is completely different from other conflicts.
 
Time? Change?

Nothing lasts. Nations end, languages die, songs are lost, history is forgotten. It just happens eventually to everything. This is just endings, which we too are cultivating.

The things that are important are the people living now rather than maintaining the glories of the people who made them in the past.

And you think cultures and languages other than the Imperial one that Xia Ren is pushing don't exist and have people who believe in them?

E: Like, this is in many ways textbook "One Nation Nationalism." When someone yells at a minority to "speak English" or stop having foreign religious or cultural practices, it's often because they envision a single way of living and being that's supposedly universal.
 
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[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.

Xia Ren has to be inspired by Fireflys Operative right? Just without the crocodile tears?

But I digress, maybe I read to much into soar but Qi has always been kinda in your face at the finale of a fight.
Proudly proclaiming herself as is her wont, skulking feels wrong in this situation. We are not infiltrating, thats done with, we are finishing what we started with Xia Ren as our proxy.

Both options rely on obscurity. We're literally voting whether we camouflage ourselves as one of the sparks in Xia Ren's flames or in the shadows. Either way, we're one of the many voices driving change here since Power/winter is many voices/influences driving forward change.

No one option is about hiding or not hiding
 
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Both options rely on obscurity. We're literally voting whether we camouflage ourselves as one of the sparks in Xia Ren's flames or in the shadows. Either way, we're one of the many voices driving change here since Power is many voices driving forward change.

No one option is about hiding or not hiding

Hm, maybe, gonna think about it some more, possible that my vote will change
 
Time? Change?

Nothing lasts. Nations end, languages die, songs are lost, history is forgotten. It just happens eventually to everything. This is just endings, which we too are cultivating.

The things that are important are the people living now rather than maintaining the glories of the people who made them in the past.
Glau, I understand what you're getting at, but those things have a very different context when done through active effort and choice instead of a natural function of time. Xia Ren is actively announcing that these things WILL die, that there is purity and purpose in the act of killing those things.

She is describing genocide, of forcing a people to assimilate or die.
 
[X] She would soar, one spark among the conflagration. Today she was a voice of fire and steel, better to embrace that.
 
[X] She would skulk as was her wont, her nature. In the boiling mist and the burning labyrinth, she would be as a shadow, a voice singing unseen.
 
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