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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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fictionfan said:
Have to say I don't really like either of these insights as much as I liked the insight for argent mirror as least as far as flavor text goes.
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Tbh, did not like the flavour text of AM so... We dont know if either of us will like the flavour text of the other arts we got lined up either.

It all depends. Like I look at the options and I see LQ in them and that is what's important to me. And the narrative of slotting them in also places them high in value to me.
 
yrsillar said:
Zeqing let out a small hmm in reply, but instead of responding directly, the spirit asked. "Might I ask if you found any insights in your time here Ling Qi?"

Ling Qi blinked at the sudden change of subject, but quickly answered…

[][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
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Imagine how shook this would make Zeqing, given the nature of FSS as an expression of her own self

The sheer narrative juiciness is amazing, and it keys off a lot of other themes some of us having been drawing from Ling Qis own developing narrative.
 
Vanguard_D said:
Tbh, did not like the flavour text of AM so... We dont know if either of us will like the flavour text of the other arts we got lined up either.

It all depends. Like I look at the options and I see LQ in them and that is what's important to me. And the narrative of slotting them in also places them high in value to me.
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Well slotting FSS is likely to get the monkey off Qi Ling's back.
 
One thing that we should keep in mind is that slotting a domain insight is choosing something that defines Ling Qi.

We aren't just choosing lessons that we think are useful or interesting; we are choosing lessons that we want to make fundamental.
 
Zeqing and Hanyi situation is distressing, and not something we are likely to solve without a tribulation. I'm tempted to start writing an omake regarding Zeqing's internal struggle regarding consuming Hanyi before she grows strong enough to leave, but I fear that I wouldn't be able to do it justice just yet. Maybe after more information comes to light should we take the tribulation (I really want to take the tribulation...).

Also, as other's have mentioned before, we now have powerful single target damage and powerful AOE effects and crowd control tools. Which means that you need to be so tall before you can even fight us, and even if you are that tall we can dish out a tremendous amount of damage and handle a tremendous amount of damage with SCS and TRF. You need to deal with us quickly, or our qi regen will start kicking in and giving us incremental advantages over the opponent while the opponent slowly weakens do to our arts. And then BLAM, finishing blow that ignores pretty much all of your defense outside of your dodge.

I just have a feeling that... we'll have to hold back a little against opponents who accept a duel challenge against us. Like HR (used to be HC) just poisons a target until they dispell it or they... die (probably hyperbole, but I'm not too sure). CtE just straight out does incredible damage that ignores armor. And even FVM can be used to deal tremendous damage. I don't want to kill a guy when we are doing our challenges. Must have been what Sun Liling, Meizhen, and Cai felt when they were up against their respective yellows in the tournament.
 

Thor's Twin said:
Zeqing and Hanyi situation is distressing, and not something we are likely to solve without a tribulation. I'm tempted to start writing an omake regarding Zeqing's internal struggle regarding consuming Hanyi before she grows strong enough to leave, but I fear that I wouldn't be able to do it justice just yet. Maybe after more information comes to light should we take the tribulation (I really want to take the tribulation...).
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I wonder what a Yuki-Onna does to blow out some steam...
I'm pretty sure sex is out of the question (and besides this isn't QQ), so ... sudden indiscriminate blizzard comes down from the mountains ?
 
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So, just a quick question.

Is

[][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.

literally



?
Inquiring minds want to know.
 
I do really like all the insights and feel that they could be fundmental to how ling Qi views the world and the people in it.
 
Just so everyone also knows

Green 3: EPC*/AE/HDW/SES for what we will know, CWY/ENM/MNO/IMH/EANP/DLS for what we don't know yet, required to slot at least 1 of those OR an additional 1 of the arts we have on the list next turn (SCS/TRF/CDW)
Green 4: PLR

So planning ahead, it's going to be tricky picking if we want both SCS and TRF or if we want to wait for EPC*/HDW/SES (or even something like MNO or EANP). All of the above seem like they could provide a decent insight, but we will need to level Domain again to open things up properly.

* We don't know if cultivation arts count.



Planning ahead is the real problem with these insight votes. I like the insights for both FVM and FSS, but not enough to make cutting, say, TRF's potential insight from our build a sure thing. It would be pretty rough if we liked something like TRF or HDW when it came around.
 
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Thor's Twin said:
I just have a feeling that... we'll have to hold back a little against opponents who accept a duel challenge against us. Like HR (used to be HC) just poisons a target until they dispell it or they... die (probably hyperbole, but I'm not too sure). CtE just straight out does incredible damage that ignores armor. And even FVM can be used to deal tremendous damage. I don't want to kill a guy when we are doing our challenges. Must have been what Sun Liling, Meizhen, and Cai felt when they were up against their respective yellows in the tournament.
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I think they have medics on site to help.
 
Thor's Twin said:
I just have a feeling that... we'll have to hold back a little against opponents who accept a duel challenge against us. Like HR (used to be HC) just poisons a target until they dispell it or they... die (probably hyperbole, but I'm not too sure). CtE just straight out does incredible damage that ignores armor. And even FVM can be used to deal tremendous damage. I don't want to kill a guy when we are doing our challenges. Must have been what Sun Liling, Meizhen, and Cai felt when they were up against their respective yellows in the tournament.
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Well most of the time if we manage to get all our arts running victory is just a matter of time. No need to show off everything.
 
So my thoughts on the insights:

[][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.

An insight I really like: relationships will change or disappear, people will go or die ( looking at you Ling Qingge), failures will happen ( Sixiang ordeal with the Bloody Moon Dream). Ling Qi will need to find her springs to the winter of life. The cyclical nature reflect Zengui and narratively, having this insight when our relationship with Zeqing and Hanyi will change soon is something I want.

[][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.

I want an FVM insight and I prefer this one. Ling Qi will fight for those she loves and she didn't like her cowardice in front of the King of the forest(? I don't remember the name). This insight could help with this kind of thing.
 
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Ok, so I think it's a good idea to look at these votes in combination, rather than individually. For convenience here I'll group things according to FVM, since it's FVM :p

FVM -> our journey is justified by what we gain from it and can can enjoy with our friends. Especially if they're pretty things. My feeling is that this gets more into the idea of gaining power and shinies from the journey, as well as her burgeoning artistic sensibilities.
  • Beautiful Existentialism! Life is ultimately meaningless and will end, but if you just accept this and stop worrying about it you can create your own meaning. In this case finding it in beautiful achievements and friends.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] The end comes for all things, without exception. In accepting this, you are freed.
  • Through life, in all its trials and endings, we find the seeds of growth and the creation of new and beautiful things. Such things should not be feared, but their opportunities should be embraced, and used to forge new things! A potentially really cool synergy between these two options, with them both focusing on the ideas of creation - though also a philosophy that could be lead in, uh, dangerous directions.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
  • Not slotting FSS is a bit more open ended, since we're just saying "yes, that's a thing, but we don't consider it that important to our philosophy". Are we just not thinking about endings? Are we not wanting to let things go? I would frame this as something like: pursuing power and beauty to enjoy with our friends is great, and thinking about inevitable endings doesn't really add anything to this.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
FVM -> making a home makes it all worthwhile. Focuses more on the ideas of home and happiness in security. Pushes the "we're doing all this to make a nice home" motivations.
  • Existentialism + joy in home. Everything will end and means nothing. However, we personally can find meaning and joy in having a home, friends, and security. Ling Qi just wants a nice simple life!
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] The end comes for all things, without exception. In accepting this, you are freed.
  • This one is kinda awkward tbh. While "beauty plus endings = beginnings" can give you a "beauty of a falling leaf" kinda deal, the home one kinda angles for something a bit more stable? Meizhen died :( Oh well, possibility to make new friends :) Oh our home burned down :( Now we can make a new cool one! :) Seems a bit ehhh... though not philosophically invalid.
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
  • Making a nice home and finding security and joy justifies our trials, and thinking about how it's all going to end doesn't really add anything to this... Pretty sound as a combination tbh.
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
 
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LotusPocus said:
So my thoughts on the insights:

[][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.

An insight I really like: relationships will change or disappear, people will go or die ( looking at you Ling Qingge), failures will happen ( Sixiang ordeal with the Bloody Moon Dream). Ling Qi will need to find her springs to the winter of life. The cyclical nature reflect Zengui and narratively, having this insight when our relationship with Zeqing and Hanyi will change soon is something I want.
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It does fit very well with our spirits.
Erebeal said:
Ok, so I think it's a good idea to look at these votes in combination, rather than individually. For convenience here I'll group things according to FVM, since it's FVM :p

FVM -> our journey is justified by what we gain from it and can can enjoy with our friends. Especially if they're pretty things. My feeling is that this gets more into the idea of gaining power and shinies from the journey, as well as her burgeoning artistic sensibilities.
  • Beautiful Existentialism! Life is ultimately meaningless and will end, but if you just accept this and stop worrying about it you can create your own meaning. In this case finding it in beautiful achievements and friends.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] The end comes for all things, without exception. In accepting this, you are freed.
  • Through life, in all its trials and endings, we find the seeds of growth and the creation of new and beautiful things. Such things should not be feared, but their opportunities should be embraced, and used to forge new things! A potentially really cool synergy between these two options, with them both focusing on the ideas of creation - though also a philosophy that could be lead in, uh, dangerous directions.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
  • Not slotting FSS is a bit more open ended, since we're just saying "yes, that's a thing, but we don't consider it that important to our philosophy". Are we just not thinking about endings? Are we not wanting to let things go? I would frame this as something like: pursuing power and beauty to enjoy with our friends is great, and thinking about inevitable endings doesn't really add anything to this.
    • [][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
    • [][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
FVM -> making a home makes it all worthwhile. Focuses more on the ideas of home and happiness in security. Pushes the "we're doing all this to make a nice home" motivations.
  • Existentialism + joy in home. Everything will end and means nothing. However, we personally can find meaning and joy in having a home, friends, and security. Ling Qi just wants a nice simple life!
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] The end comes for all things, without exception. In accepting this, you are freed.
  • This one is kinda awkward tbh. While "beauty plus endings = beginnings" can give you a "beauty of a falling leaf" kinda deal, the home one kinda angles for something a bit more stable? Meizhen died :( Oh well, possibility to make new friends :) Oh our home burned down :( Now we can make a new cool one! :) Seems a bit ehhh... though not philosophically invalid.
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
  • Making a nice home and finding security and joy justifies our trials, and thinking about how it's all going to end doesn't really add anything to this... Pretty sound as a combination tbh.
    • [][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
    • [][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
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Well if you are thinking in terms of Domain combos maybe also consider our already slotted insight as well as insights we might get from our other arts? Not sure how much you are willing to effort post.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Just so everyone also knows

Green 3: EPC*/AE/HDW/SES for what we will know, CWY/ENM/MNO/IMH/EANP/DLS for what we don't know yet, required to slot at least 1 of those OR an additional 1 of the arts we have on the list next turn (SCS/TRF/CDW)
Green 4: PLR

So planning ahead, it's going to be tricky picking if we want both SCS and TRF or if we want to wait for EPC*/HDW/SES (or even something like MNO or EANP). All of the above seem like they could provide a decent insight, but we will need to level Domain again to open things up properly.

* We don't know if cultivation arts count.



Planning ahead is the real problem with these insight votes. I like the insights for both FVM and FSS, but not enough to make cutting, say, TRF's potential insight from our build a sure thing. It would be pretty rough if we liked something like TRF or HDW when it came around.
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pretty sure we can slot more than that. the 3 insights needed for green 3 is the minimum needed. iirc we'll have 7 domain slots avaliable next turn (-1 for AM and minus whatever we take right now)
 
Moratorium is now over.

[x][FVM] Though it is beautiful, the travelers song is not Ling Qi's(No slot)
[x][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
 
[x][FVM] Though it is beautiful, the travelers song is not Ling Qi's(No slot)
[x][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.

Don't particularly care for the FVM options, but FSS feels like an appropriate lasting effect given our current bout of studying under Zeqing coming to an end.
 
[X][FVM] Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
[x][FVM] Though it is beautiful, the travelers song is not Ling Qi's(No slot)

[X][FSS] There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.

Ling Qi's take on FSS is too perfect not to vote for.

I'm less sure on FVM, neither really suit Ling Qi that well, they seem a bit simplistic and literal for her. I feel the first is how she's acted after choosing Cai and making it to the inner sect, really doubling down on living, understanding art, enjoying the journey despite or even because of her goals. The second kind of reflects Ling Qi as she struggled with her career choices and the idea that she wanted something of her own, whether that was staking out a name for herself or nailing down her own morals or building the people and places she will one day call home, but that's fallen to the wayside a bit after as she seems to understand now that in the moment it's not about going hard on the end goal.

The art itself is so core to her, it's hard to imagine not slotting it, but I don't really think either option really resounds with the core of Ling Qi's character. I could be convinced to vote no slot for sure.

e: in fact, going to add an approval vote for no slot to FVM
 
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[x][FVM] Though it is beautiful, the travelers song is not Ling Qi's(No slot)
[x][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)
 
Thinking:
[X][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
&
[X][FSS] All things End, but one does not need to think of endings to live(No slot)

How many total slots can we have? I'm especially leery of slotting FSS due to the potential opportunity costs, since whilst it's a good art that has served us very well so far it isn't synonomus with Ling Qi in the way FVM is.

Also I hate this type of vote as it's very easy to get something pushed through that locks out much more desirable options Ling Qi's long term growth. We don't have that many domain slots.

I'm less certain about the FVM insight. I like this insight and it fits our current "Home" domain better, but I'm worried about it having eventual consequnces on Ling Qi's ability to cultivate, given the theme of becoming more isolated as cultivation increases.
 
[X][FVM] Even if hardship and tribulation litter your path, it has worth if you have somewhere to return at the end.
[X][FSS] The end comes for all things, without exception. In accepting this, you are freed.
 
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