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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Valmond said:
No easier or more assured than going to capital.
Capital is not easy or without risks either.
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Sentorian said:
Obviously this is a lot of conjecture based on my reading of this chapter, and who knows how much of this is correct. But at the same time I do this characterization that I've seen here a lot that this will be a laid back sure thing and Hanyi will sweep up tons of momentum and eager country yokels into her fanbase, relies just on just as much supposition?
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This entire time I've been arguing the relative risks of the two tracks? I've acknowledged this explicitly? Do you even bother reading anything I've written here?

Valmond said:
You say that like it is an option.
She is our little sister, politics is her life now.
To go to capital is to snub Meng Diu, not badly, we are not making her an enemy, but enough that it will take work to make her friend later.
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Clearly it is an option. One that you do not support, but yes we do have an option to not use her as a bargaining chip here and now. Hence the vote

Valmond said:
Well duh.
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Valmond said:
It was not my intent to lecture, but to discuss that choices offered, and i disagree that going to the capital is necessarily Hanyi's best interest, or that picking the Meng option is using her as a pawn.
But i'm willing to drop it if you don't want to talk about it.
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C'mon man. Obviously we disagree about what Hanyi's best interest here is. I've been trying to explain my reasoning, while you've been repeating the same argument I've already addressed at me, talking to me like I'm dumb, dismissing my viewpoint out of hand, and lecturing me about Hanyi's political realities. That's not discussing the choices offered. Talking at someone and ignoring what they are saying is not debate. It's not that I don't want to talk about it anymore, it's that I don't want to be browbeaten anymore.
 
Did we ever get confirmation on whether Ming Diu was referring to the provincial capital or the imperial capital?
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
Adhoc vote count started by SassyAsses on Sep 25, 2021 at 5:38 PM, finished with 139 posts and 96 votes.
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[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
fictionfan said:
More Hanyi bling does help with running the fief. If she is going to be helping us with that after all.
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It's Hanyi's money to do with whatever she wants. She's under no obligation to help us fund the fief and acting like she is is unfair to her. She's essentially a child being given an allowance, the parents don't take the allowance back to pay for dinner (ideally).
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
Audacious said:
It's Hanyi's money to do with whatever she wants. She's under no obligation to help us fund the fief and acting like she is is unfair to her. She's essentially a child being given an allowance, the parents don't take the allowance back to pay for dinner (ideally).
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If the money becomes serious enough, it becomes clan business. Hanyi and Ling Qi aren't 21st century humans with an individualistic ethos. They are both products of a highly clan centric society that preaches communalism. I would be surprised if Hanyi and LQ both didn't take it as fait accompli that LQ will handle the money.

[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

I dislike the that the vote was kinda slanted by the short term vs long term in the phrasing. I think both choices present opportunities and dangers, both in the short run and the long run.

Lastly, I would bring up something that I feel needs broader attention, we keep dissing on options that lean imperial centric. Now we do want to focus on the Weilu stuff, it's where LQ will specialise, but we should not completely ignore the imperial area or we will left blindsided by future events. I don't want to close off doors permanently, and I worry we are doing so and not even realising it.
 
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Random thought for far in the future, as little bro grows older and bigger he ends up sleeping in our new territory becoming a mountain upon the back of which the main Ling Clan compound is built, along the highest peak of his shell Hanyi has a home much like her mothers from where she can sing and be heard along the entire shell. Rivers of snowmelt descend from the shell feeding forests around it as well as farms and gardens in the clans holdings, making the whole area incredibly fertile, with caves that have veins of lava providing more fire and earth aligned Qi to maintain a balance with the wind and cold.

They become the seasons of the clan, Hanyi sings the winter, Zhenghui stirs to join her to bring forth the spring, he then keeps the summer going before she joins him to herald the fall and renewal as he goes back into the dream, all of it sustained by Sixiang who guides and guards the dreams of the clan and keeps Zhengui connected to the others in his slumber. All in one giant formation of cycles of life, death, renewal, dreams and the seasons protecting the Ling. In times of war the forests around the Ancestor Mountain come alive and defend the clan, while the winds from the peaks descend and cut foes. All as thick mist emanates from the clash between the lava inside the shell and the snowmelt that flows down the mountain as rivers, shades appearing from the mists to do battle.
 
Braidtugger said:
Lastly, I would bring up something that I feel needs broader attention, we keep dissing on options that lean imperial centric. Now we do want to focus on the Weilu stuff, it's where LQ will specialise, but we should not completely ignore the imperial area or we will left blindsided by future events. I don't want to close off doors permanently, and I worry we are doing so and not even realising it.
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That's just kind of our role though. We're going to have to rely on other parties to get our Imperial information because they already don't like us just for being us. GG is likely to be the Imperial outreach representative for the time being, but I imagine Renxiang will eventually recruit someone more specialized for that.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)


throw wide the gates that we may pass.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Best long term benefits for us since, frankly, I don't really care about Hanyi's popularity as an end in itself.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)

Heh. Real nail biter this time.

Re: Meng Clan...
Weilu reactionaries = peeps like Meng Diu's brother who resent the Cai and their reforms, and want to bulldoze the south and rebuild it in traditional Weilu fashion.
Weilu conservatives = maybe peeps who turn even further inward to sit behind their mists and sing? (Like the meaning of conservative and reactionary in a political sense is pretty similar so I'm not sure how the factions differ.)
Weilu reformist = want to bring Weilu ways into the current era... ?

Hmmm, so the Tiangong residents (the nominal leaders of the county) literally?, metaphysically?, live in a dream? Sounds Hui-ish. I wonder how their citizens are fairing.

And the Luo and their dog breeding operation and 40% imperial leaning citizenry are nomadic?
yrsillar said:
and the Luo who as a rule simply did not gather often in permanent cities
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Interesting. How barbaric of them.
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
[X] Open the southwest (Lesser boost in popularity for Hanyi, may boost Weilu Reformer support in long term. Bond 1 with Meng Diu)
 
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