Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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we decided long ago to not chase "family ties" to a clan that would pressure their daughter as they pressured He Qingge. She ran from them and they were never family for us, and so we wouldn't consider them family just because they used to be mom's family.

this then extended to a low number of retcons for the Royal Road and official release versions centering around plot hooks the thread never chased. If I had to guess, this is where those threadlines are actually going to pick up. My lunatic theory is that this is the Bai we'll be meeting at end of month doing us a "favor" by giving the pretext to persecute and avenge the wrongs committed against our mother, which does a number of other things as well.

1- it's a flex. They've been at the shadowed intrigue behind a brilliant white tyrant game for longer than anyone. This would be a flex.
2- it gives them a measure of who we are and how we'll handle ourselves, or if we turn out to be so unformed in this regard at least puts forward a strong suggestion that the Bai way is an excellent one. Defensive, Observant, and when the time comes Provoking your enemies into making attacks which your brilliant tyrant can fully crush alongside you.
3- it's a reminder. "Weird Cousin Meizhen" may think she can escape Bai style politics at her post in the Emerald Seas, but being noticed by Suzhen means she's noticed by many Bai. Whether or not she likes it, she'll need to keep her Bai skills sharp because at some point she'll be back.
4- it's a sign of Bai-Cai coordination. It's a warning signal to any hostile intrigue nets that the Suzhen-Bai faction and the Lady Cai's forces are both studiously involved with the lady Cai's heir as well as the retainers and Meizhen. A show of cooperation that increases the risk vectors any potential hostile operation will be exposed to, and thus reduces the odds anything is actually tried.
5- it's a challenge to her heir's promising retainer. Shenhua approved of our sincerity, stealth, and willingness to do wetwork on behalf of Renxiang when she saw us. This sort of "attack" so clumsily executed shouldn't be an issue for one such as us, and has the potential to prod much growth. How will we choose to prosecute an intrigue challenge that may be on a more personal level than is typical? By what mechanisms do we enact the investigation and punishment? This will help us develop answers to these questions, if we don't already have ideas for how to answer them.
6- it's a wake up call for her heir, her heir's retainer and that retainer's Bao suitor. They're entering the world of adults now, and this is one of the least damaging ways to obliquely remind them to keep their wits about them. Without having to spend the time to do so personally.
7- it's an opportunity. Meizhen has consistently been considered extremely kind by Bai standards, as well as competent. If her allies at her post are going to be dealing with adult-level intrigue this is a chance to further ingratiate herself with them by sharing some of her talents and knowledge, as well as sharpen/hone those skills of hers before she inevitably returns to Bai politics. The political out maneuvering and subsequent beatdown of Sun Shao's beloved great grand daughter are an excellent start. Time to keep moving forward.
8- it's pretext. But not just for us. The actions of this Liu clan in relation to our family are almost certainly impersonal "Hui-like" abuse of power and corruption normally excused and allowed in the corners of ex-Hui Emerald Seas. Shenhua has always placed emphasis on rooting out such corruptions, and whether or not this is pretext against the Liu clan overall or if the Liu involved in this scandal will simply be made examples of so that the others shape up is unknown. I do think, however, that if Cai agents had done their homework they'd see the kind of corruption involved in mom's story and start shifting things to do something about it. Not as a personal favor, but because that's what Cai rule is all about. Burning out corruption.

so that's my lunatic 5D chess game theory which is probably nonsense hehe. Broken clocks and all that. Totally possible no Bai are involved at all and it's just Cai or Diao agents. Or none of the above and it's actually just that braind-dead of a move from that same vengeful Liu.

Anyway:
given the fact dad was in a troupe whose elders performed for the local viscounts, it's probably true that those same elders had a fit when the Liu scion appealed up the chain to do something about that disrespectful He concubine trying to run off with a member of that foreigner troupe. Whether or not those elders gave dad to Liu jailors, locked him down, or only pressured him strongly to not choose Qingge is up in the air. Even if he had chosen Qingge (which he might not have), I doubt that Liu would have allowed such a thing to occur purely on principle.
 
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Eh. Others voted to have LQ check her own blood for relations with that Hui artifact we got, so they left an opening on that door.

That really is my fear when people wanted LQ to use that hui artifact. I really disagreed with the voter base for doing that, even if a good majority of those were really only going for a Curiousity angle. It set a bad presedent to me.
 
My pet theory is that the guy straight up got caught and died, and that's why he wasn't around to elope with Qingge.

I'm operating under the no dead body principle. If one parent dies, but there's no body, high chance they're actually alive. If one parent is betrayed by another, but there's ambiguity about the betrayal, then it might not be a real betrayal
 
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I'm operating under the no dead body principle. If one parent dies, but there's no body, high chance they're actually alive. If one parent is betrayed by another, but there's ambiguity about the betrayal, then it might not be a real betrayal

Problem is, the second trope you mentioned (offscreen betrayal not being a real betrayal) is often strong enough to nullify the first. One of the few things that can nullify "never found the body" is "never found out about the death" after all.
 
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I don't care about the guy, and i'd rather he never becomes relevant to the quest in anyway.
I wouldn't want him to become relevant to the quest, but it would be neat to dot this "i" too, like with the brothel. Is he a deadbeat asshole? Dead? Dead deadbeat asshole?

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Problem is, the second trope you mentioned (offscreen betrayal not being a real betrayal) is often strong enough to nullify the first. One of the few things that can nullify "never found the body" is "never found out about the death" after all.

I think you're just proving my point. Qingge assumes he betrayed her. I think he's just dead and he didn't really betray her.
 
I wouldn't want him to become relevant to the quest, but it would be neat to dot this "i" too, like with the brothel. Is he a deadbeat asshole? Dead? Dead deadbeat asshole?

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When i say relevant, i mean, not mentioned, period.
This need to find out makes it relevant.
I find it much better for Ling Qi to not care at all about it, and never bother going out searching.
There is a finite amount of words we get, and i do not wish to waste any on this.
 
When i say relevant, i mean, not mentioned, period.
This need to find out makes it relevant.
I find it much better for Ling Qi to not care at all about it, and never bother going out searching.
There is a finite amount of words we get, and i do not wish to waste any on this.
Personally, I wouldn't mind. Much like Tonghou, Ling Qi's dad is a big part of how the current state of affairs got to where it is now. It may not be major to Ling Qi herself, but it is to Ling Qingge, and as a central character in her family, how she confronts and resolves that trauma can be a very compelling story that serves as a vehicle for character devolopment since it's not really something that Ling Qingge can just forget considering how major the abandonment is to her character. I imagine any future breakthrough Ling Qingge makes will have to tackle this eventually, if she ever does breakthrough to a higher realm in her current state with a deteriorated dantian and all.

I trust in Yrs' writing ability to deliver that story well if it ever comes to it, and it's very much worth exploring in my eyes rather than a waste of narrative space.
 
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I suspect Ling Qingge has, in the past 15 years, confronted, resolved, and moved on.
Can Yrs write a compelling story about this? Certainly.
But they can also write a compelling story about something else.
 
I suspect Ling Qingge has, in the past 15 years, confronted, resolved, and moved on.
Can Yrs write a compelling story about this? Certainly.
But they can also write a compelling story about something else.
And why do you say that? Has the narrative provided any hints that Ling Qingge has done so? Time doesn't actually heal all wounds, especially when said wound is the reason why she's suffered 15 years of poverty and prostitution. Abandonment is core to Ling Qingge's traumas, abandonment from her family and lover both, and she hasn't really gotten over it yet, not even with Ling Qi who she feels could be taken away from her at any moment. Her "Little God", despite all the power she's displayed, can disappear the next day for all she knows, slain by someone greater in cultivation.

Signs of it still remain with Qingge, of how she cautions Ling Qi against the intentions of cultivators of a higher realm, and her initial suspicions on Xuan Shi when Ling Qi said he was going to visit to reinforce the house.

So no, I don't really believe she's confronted and resolved it, especially as there is no one to actually confront.
 
Has the narrative provided hints that Ling Qingge has not done so?
All the behaviours she has shown are consistent with a person who has spent 15 years living as someone powerless surrounded by the powerful, no extra issues from some guy who left her needed.
Her issues with Xuan Shi are easily explained by the fact that Ling Qi is a 15 year old girl.

This is schrodingers trauma, it may or may not exist until such time the story wants to pull it out.
 
Has the narrative provided hints that Ling Qingge has not done so?
All the behaviours she has shown are consistent with a person who has spent 15 years living as someone powerless surrounded by the powerful, no extra issues from some guy who left her needed.
Her issues with Xuan Shi are easily explained by the fact that Ling Qi is a 15 year old girl.

This is schrodingers trauma, it may or may not exist until such time the story wants to pull it out.
The narrative has made it obvious that the trauma does exist by the examples I gave and Ling Qingge's behavior. It has not however, hinted at or even said that Ling Qingge has resolved it in the time she spent in Tonghou.

Ling Qi is a 15 year old Immortal, and the direct subordinate of the Cai's heir. She has nothing to fear from Xuan Shi, and Ling Qingge is politically savvy enough to know that since she originally came from a servant family of Cultivators. Yet, she still cautions Ling Qi despite knowing that realistically, she has nothing to fear. Why? It all circles back to Tonghou and the people within it which her lover is undeniably a part of. Ling Qingge's behavior is influenced heavily by it. She's being a fussy and protective mother, but there's a reason why she acts that way specifically to male Cultivators. Contrast her behavior to the times other cultivators visited. Dismissing it as "extra" doesn't seem right to me considering how much of a impact it has on her story.

She was a young girl who ran away from a man who saw her as a toy to break, and so she fell in love with someone who she thought genuinely loved her only for him to abandon her just like how her family did. That scarred her, and for a time, defined her relationship with Ling Qi as a constant reminder of the man who left her behind and broke her trust.

That isn't just "extra".

Calling it Schrodinger's Trauma seems incredibly dismissive of Ling Qingge's character as just being "fussy mother", who acts that way simply because of a stereotype and a cursory glance of her story rather than looking into the specifics of her backstory.
 
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Trauma, for having been a prostitute with little to no protections.
That's plenty to get someone messed up mentally, wether or not she caries any other lingering issues.
 
Trauma, for having been a prostitute with little to no protections.
That's plenty to get someone messed up mentally, wether or not she caries any other lingering issues.
Good that you agree that the trauma exists, now ask yourself, how did it come to that point? Who did Ling Qingge put her trust in before she came to that point? She wasn't always a sex worker, the interlude made it clear that she wanted to be a traveling musician instead, and she still had some jewelry to pawn off in the meantime. Her lover was central to her desire to leave Tonghou entirely, and we know his disappearance despite his promise was among the reasons why she got stuck in her line of work.

Denying the relevance of certain portions of Ling Qingge's experiences as "extra" or "irrelevant" doesn't acknowledge the full breadth of her character.
 
And claiming she is someone we need to fix is denies her autonomy and strength.
If she shows signs of wanting to go dig in the past, that's different, but so far i have not seen any point to it.
 
Seeing as deadbeat dad has his higher ups playing for the admin (and seemingly being able to travel between cities) odds are they had cultivators amongst them.
If so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they are skilled in being "precognitive of incoming trouble from the locals" and booked it.
 
And claiming she is someone we need to fix is denies her autonomy and strength.
If she shows signs of wanting to go dig in the past, that's different, but so far i have not seen any point to it.
We aren't forcing her too so that isn't a issue. It will however, probably be something she'll have to address if she ever gets further along her cultivation, as doubtful as that is at the moment, so it's mostly a non-issue.

This all started with the assertion that Ling Qingge's traumas would be a waste of narrative space since the story has a finite amount of focus and words, rather than anything about her autonomy. I still believe it isn't a waste of narrative space if the story ever runs into that direction.
 
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