Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.

The starting point of Ling Qi's heart demon was Zhengui's observation that she takes all the sacrifice of others onto herself. Answering in Hanyi's stead just continues that cycle, and whilst we may pay a price for allowing Hanyi free rein, accepting that others make mistakes which may cause them difficulty is the heart of our heart demon and permitting this to happen is one of the steps that will be necessary to resolve it.
 
Who said anything about Sincere Negotiator requiring it? I'm talking about this:

Carefree Mantle: C
Duration: Long
It is not enough to merely follow the basic exercises of this art, to learn tricks of speaking and the use of humor as a smoothing and contrasting element in their rhetoric. To truly emulate the muse, one must defy certain ingrained social behaviors and learn to wear their emotion, their intent, their very self as a cloak. Though such openness can seem frightening to the neophyte, few methods are superior in conveying the sincerity of your intent. While active, the user receives a large bonus to speech tests when speaking honestly or attempting to convince others of their sincerity, and a similar bonus to poise and empathy tests

We have one of our major social arts be about wearing our heart on our sleeve. To choose not to use that approach would be similar to deciding not to use BKSD in a duel: it's nothing short of intentional self-sabotage.

The more tricksy parts of Sincere Negotiator are for people we do not trust and are much more likely to lead to hurt feelings. It's essentially like the moral of the story Bao Qian told us about the mine: if the relationship is going to continue for any significant length of time then its important for both sides to be fully honest with each other. Since we are hoping for this to be a very long relationship indeed, this makes that transparency of utmost importance.

As I said, we don't need to be transparent in all our dealings but it remains the default that we sometimes depart from. Here there's no reason to depart from said default and plenty of reasons not to.
Ling Qi is not being 100% open book-ish with her every emotion, though.
Beside her Jaromila's eyebrows rose, but the other woman remained silent until the Voice's head tilted towards her. "Emissary, explain what this word 'Way' means, I interpret it as road or path."

Ling Qi didn't let her frown show. "It is our word for the path one who cultivates is on, the direction and concept which they use to build their power."
I don't see a reason to assume that it's completely immediately obvious to the others in the room that Ling Qi has a massively huge problem with the suggestion, and the specific nature of her concerns.

[X] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.

The starting point of Ling Qi's heart demon was Zhengui's observation that she takes all the sacrifice of others onto herself. Answering in Hanyi's stead just continues that cycle, and whilst we may pay a price for allowing Hanyi free rein, accepting that others make mistakes which may cause them difficulty is the heart of our heart demon and permitting this to happen is one of the steps that will be necessary to resolve it.
That doesn't really track, for two reasons. First, because the issues Ling Qi reflexively dwelled on when the heart demon was discovered were more about deep seated insecurities related to her understanding of power and an inability to not see relying on/limiting herself in some ways to the cultivation rate of others as giving up on being strong. Second, Hanyi's not going to face difficulty here if she messes up, Ling Qi will, which you even said yourself; how is Ling Qi bearing the risks of failure not Ling Qi making a sacrifice in this context?

The situation doesn't parse well in terms of Ling Qi's insights or heart demon when you step back and look at the broader situation and where the risks and rewards are. It's just awkward.
 
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The thing that concerns me is that Hanyi very well might accept, but not for the best reasons. Leading up to this, she's been dealing with a lot of insecurities. Questions about whether she's pulling her weight, if she's living up to her mother's example, that there's something wrong with her, and that it's screwing things up. She's very concerned with acting "grown up" and being a proper support for Ling Qi. I'm worried she may agree, not because she really wants to stay, but because she thinks that it's the best way to help Ling Qi, and that she has to do the "mature" thing.
 
Recognition
"Junior Brother Yan you are in charge of completing the stabilization arrays," the core disciple said distractedly. "I have been called to assist the front line."

"Yes Senior Brother," Yan Renshu grunted, keeping his eyes fixed on the smoothed stone in front of him, where already tens of thousands of characters had been carved, inked and etched. The formation arrays being established here were of staggering complexity. Even his own intellect could only begin to truly decipher them.

Resentment stewed in his gut. He would have understood them better, been able to complete this working already, if he had received the instruction he deserved.

"Very good Junior Brother, I will trust in your abilities," the core disciple said, wearing an infuriatingly patronizing smile as he clapped Yan Renshu on his good shoulder, and vanished in a rainbow streak through the floor. How hasty.

Not that Yan Renshu did not understand, the clash was escalating.

Tens of Kilometers of flesh rose through the tunnels, marching feet and scrabbling claws beyond counting. The World-Corpse spasmed and vomited forth power from her wound womb into the waiting hands of the Weavers. Those Who Crawled rallied to the call of the Incarnate Assembly, and their Corpse Champion, the Prince of Millions, crawled forth to make war upon the intruding sky.

Cruel Virtue met his advance, and ten thousand eyes of judgement slashed away one hundred thousand hands with their gaze, even as the breath of the World-Corpse ate his flesh. Yet from each hand rose a warrior, bearers of the word Pain, and the prince spoke from countless mouths…


Yan Renshu grimaced as he took a tighter hold of his senses, feeling the trickle of wetness on his upper lip. Yes, escalating indeed.

"Sect Brother Yan?" a voice spoke up to his side.

He glanced to the three others in the chamber, one of five like it laid out exactly around the central array of this sector. Each sector was than a point on the larger pentagon surrounding the central camp. Shaped from the surrounding stone, each chamber was an exact cylinder, three meters in height, connected to the others by narrow passages, intersecting and punching through the many natural caverns and tunnels.

"Continue your task," he replied, barely looking at the speaker. The three others were disciples in the nine hundreds, and he felt little but contempt for them, each was many times his age but a fraction of his cultivation. Ambitionless creatures, broken to the boot, happy to wag their tails for their masters.

Yan Renshu held in the sneer that wanted to form as he carved a new stroke with each movement of his chisel, rapidly forming the next character in the chain that would stabilize the arrays in this sector.

This situation was a microcosm of everything wrong with the Sect and the Empire it was a part of. He, an unparalleled genius, reduced to scutwork on the front lines of a petty battle, his education and cultivation stunted, all because those above him had decided that he offended them.

His chisel struck the stone fiercely. That was not entirely true. His final ruin had come at that girl's hands. A genius as well, he might have considered her a peer. Sadly his effort to separate her from the fat noble leeches had ended in failure. She certainly would not have understood it as a favor. He would give the Cai and the Bai that, they were quite good at taming their pets.

Even the elders, whose approval he had assumed when his operations had been allowed to run for a full year unchecked had turned against him in the end. He had been used. Left alone to serve as an obstacle, and when it all came down around his ears, he had been the one admonished, chided like a child. Only his value as a craftsmen had given him this 'second chance'.

A new character carved, Yan Renshu took to the left to begin the next. It carried him within arms reach of the central array, already glowing fiercely with the energies of the vast formation flowing through it.

Yes, the Sect had only been another oppressor, a pet of the Duchess and her nobles, Yan Renshu thought scornfully, all their vaunted independence from petty local politics a lie. His sleeve slid down as he reached high to begin chiseling the next character, revealing a bangle of bone on his wrist. A talisman like any other to any senses.

A welcome gift, from the being he had met in the deep caverns, where he had been forced to go harvesting with his own hands, he knew in his shielded thoughts hidden from prying elders and Senior Disciples alike by the talisman. The Empire was not the only polity in this region, whatever it claimed.

How arrogant the empire was, never considering those who dwelled below, those who had watched their squabbles and their infighting for millenia. Those whose lands the Sect callously poisoned with their vents.

Yes, Yan Renshu could understand how that would feel. His contact too, understood his situation. Understood how he had been wronged. Gutou as the being called himself for ease of communication, had been watching the Sect for a very long time, and he inhuman as he was had been the one to notice Yan Renshu's talent.

Yan Renshu eyed the central array as he shuffled further to the left, and felt in his bones the spiritual rumble of a battle far beyond his ability below. He could feel the Elder and the Core disciples, their power burning in his mind's eye. All of it focused on the Spirit wrought by the Deep Dwellers.

Yes, this array was beyond his ability to construct, but as that insolent girl had shown last year, one did not need to fully understand something to break it. Especially when it was only half finished, the stabilization array unfinished.

When his chisel came down, severing the seventh stroke of the eighth power storing character, the stone began to crumble, spewing toxic underground air.

When portions of the array throughout the room began to erupt, unable to contain unrouted power. He relished the screams.

He would get the recognition he deserved one way or another.
 
Ouch. So Renshu deliberately sabotaged something? Remind me, is he dead now, or just fled to his new shishigui masters?

I'd feel sorry for him... but that thought process is not good at all. One is never an 'unparalleled genius'.
 
I think the people who immediately questioned if Yan Renshu's death was legit might be vindicated, because reading this I'm totally expecting him to show up in the future to cause problems.
 
I think the people who immediately questioned if Yan Renshu's death was legit might be vindicated, because reading this I'm totally expecting him to show up in the future to cause problems.
He doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would sacrifice himself to give the Sect a bloody nose. That bone bangle was almost certainly some sort of escape talisman that would bring him safely to his allies.
 
He was on the list of the dead.

Of course, if he was known to have been in the middle of some sort of explosion, and they never found his body...

Oh I'm sure they found a body, but what was it we found out last year? Doombots so convincing the only reason we knew it was fake was because a Great Spirit literally shoved his actual appearance in Ling Qi's head?

And the only ones who might have noticed were a little indisposed at the time.

I guess we're going to be real thankful later that we splurged on an over the top panic room!
 
Luckily Li Suyin still managed to stabilize the formation, and the fortress is in working order. Yan Renshu even failed at causing more than a few casualties with a perfectly timed betrayal. Loser.
 
Tens of Kilometers of flesh rose through the tunnels, marching feet and scrabbling claws beyond counting. The World-Corpse spasmed and vomited forth power from her wound womb into the waiting hands of the Weavers. Those Who Crawled rallied to the call of the Incarnate Assembly, and their Corpse Champion, the Prince of Millions, crawled forth to make war upon the intruding sky.

Cruel Virtue met his advance, and ten thousand eyes of judgement slashed away one hundred thousand hands with their gaze, even as the breath of the World-Corpse ate his flesh. Yet from each hand rose a warrior, bearers of the word Pain, and the prince spoke from countless mouths…
I love the way high level Domain combat is depicted in this settle. Pretty fitting that Elder Jiao is Cruel Virtue, given the path he once walked.
 
Wow, kudos to Yan Renshu. Really hadn't expected him to be noticeable enough to become a traitor. Figured any attempt would have to be from his end and dismissed. Interesting to know they've been watching the disciples and looking for allies among more than the barbarians.
 
Well, that was actually expected. Though I still underestimated the depth of his betrayal. Didn't thought he was the one who broke formation.
 
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