Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Hanyi's already felt insecure regarding whether she's really family or at least family on the level of Biyu. That on top of losing her mother and her being a child said mother entrusted LQ to watch over means I think stepping up here is the appropriate response. Not the sorta choice that should be given to one her apparent age and I feel giving her the choice would just have her question if she's really wanted.
 
Hanyi's already felt insecure regarding whether she's really family or at least family on the level of Biyu. That on top of losing her mother and her being a child said mother entrusted LQ to watch over means I think stepping up here is the appropriate response. Not the sorta choice that should be given to one her apparent age and I feel giving her the choice would just have her question if she's really wanted.

I mean she wants to speak, andit's written on her face. Giving her permission to speak her mind is exactly what trust is. This isn't abandoning her, it's empowering her to speak her opinion.
 
Given that if this religious issue isn't smoothed over all the work we've done up to this point possibly might go down the drain (depending on what Hanyi says, and how she frames it, she might poke core doctrinal tenets of their whole religion. Difficult to continue talks after being declared anathema), including what CRX has suffered, I'd personally prefer if we try to get things back on track. We're not here just representing ourselves. We're not here just for ourselves or our own interests. We're supposed to be serving in a diplomatic role, so it might behoove us to at least try from time to time?
 
"There is some precedence for beast bonding, as my husband's people do, though not so deeply, but it is not what you describe. Do you truly purport to be able to change a beasts nature?" Jaromila asked.
Huh, is the Empire's spirit binding practices really so special? Does the Cloud Tribes' beast soul-merging not provide the bonded beast with similar human flexibility as the Imperial methods?

Well, I suppose that might be a factor in the Cloud Tribes' current troubles: they are unable to change their beast partners' Ways to account for the Empire's habitat destruction and invasion, leading to the slow extinction of all human-competition apex predators like IRL, winnowing the number of prospective beast partners talented enough to make it to their "Sky" Realm (equivalent to the Empire's Eighth Realm).

(I wonder if any Tribesperson will give up easy flight, and bond with a city-compatible beast, like dogs? We know, from the spirit beast advancement sidestory, that dogs are an exception to the general rule that spirit beasts need to run wild — to have a region to rule, to follow Zhengui's phrasing — to advance in their cultivation.

Unlikely, with the current Empire-Cloud Tribes relations, to see any in Empire-controlled areas, but maybe later? Possibly in the White Sky Confederation's lands?)

"Spirits do not change. That is the province of the human," the Voice said.

"Sometimes a spirit splinters and is remade, but this is not change," Jaromila said, sounding troubled. "It is rebirth, the creation of a spirit with a new mantle.
This sounds like their spirits don't advance in cultivation, that they're all frozen in stasis. Any advancement thus would have to be in the direction of "the same, but more so," like generations of snowfall packing ever more ice upon a glacier.

I suppose, here, the spirit-human relationship is all only unidirectional—the spirit teaches the human, and learns nothing in return. To map it onto Zeqing, placing spirits in the role of objects of reverence and veneration, imposing a stasis on their relations. It would require a different viewpoint — that spirits are things to be manipulated and used, to take the Imperial perspective — for a spirit to adapt and change their Way.

...Perhaps the Hill Tribe methodology of spirit interaction would also be helpful here — the Trickster King changed the nature of the King of Wolves into the King of Hounds, after all, and made dogs as humans' best friends.
 
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Did Jaromila attune to a mantle for war in response to the Sect's attack, indicating she can switch very quickly, or was she already in one for the diplomacy? 'Cause if she was already in one before Ling Qi showed up, that has implications.
I think she was in diplomancer stance until Renxiang brought down the hammerj. Jaromila's Magical Girl Costume change was literally her assuming the mantle of war.
 
Perhaps the Hill Tribe methodology of spirit interaction would also be helpful here — the Trickster King changed the nature of the King of Wolves into the King of Hounds, after all, and made dogs as humans' best friends.
Where can I find this story? It sounds cute and fun.
 
[X] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.

This is my tendency, because no family is built on the opinion of one person and this affects Hanyi directly. Hanyis diplomatic weight as a spirit in a spirit dominated Land certainly doesn´t hurt.
 
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Given that if this religious issue isn't smoothed over all the work we've done up to this point possibly might go down the drain (depending on what Hanyi says, and how she frames it, she might poke core doctrinal tenets of their whole religion. Difficult to continue talks after being declared anathema), including what CRX has suffered, I'd personally prefer if we try to get things back on track. We're not here just representing ourselves. We're not here just for ourselves or our own interests. We're supposed to be serving in a diplomatic role, so it might behoove us to at least try from time to time?

I think it would be far more diplomatically advantageous if Hanyi refuses vs us refusing. Then it's not us refusing, this is us backing our spirit. It's a slight difference but given how they are more reverential towards spirits, it's more understandable.

Also from another POV, what's the point of an advanced insight if we ignore it for expedience. Hanyi wants to speak on the subject and it's her opinion here that's most important. Yes she can be clumsy, but she has been learning.
 
If Hanyi, a literal child, speaking her mind about an issue that is ultimately about her, manages to sabotage our diplomatic agreement, then the deal wasn't worth much of anything to speak of at all.

Between the thoughtless xenophobia from Imperials and the internal factions who will deliberately try to spoil things, we might as well stress test it now.
 
Where can I find this story? It sounds cute and fun.

An excerpt from the Ballad of the Trickster King that we brought back from the burning library

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Ballad of the Trickster King

Sing the song of those ancient days Of woe and ruin, with all the world ablaze From the north we fled from bleeding sky Fearing wrath of those most high Mother’s rage and Father’s agony Brought final end to draconic hegemony At last war ended, and the Gods did fall. We the Children no longer in ...
 
Agree and decline are both in violation of this Advanced Insight.
  • One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family.
Because we fail to take Hanyi's feelings into regard before making a decision on her life. We just make a snap reaction on the spot.

Decline is banned most likely by the Heart Demon and the Loneliness Domain Integration.

As such, the only option on the table that doesn't definitely violate a Domain Insight is...

[] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.

Just got to hope 'dat Poise we've been helping her grind prevents this from becoming a disaster.
 
Where can I find this story? It sounds cute and fun.
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Sing the song of those ancient days Of woe and ruin, with all the world ablaze From the north we fled from bleeding sky Fearing wrath of those most high Mother’s rage and Father’s agony Brought final end to draconic hegemony At last war ended, and the Gods did fall. We the Children no longer...
 
It seems to me that this 'Mantle' stuff is fundamentally different to cultivation, which has implications.

Cultivation is, when you get down to it, building power into "yourself": growing and pruning aspects of yourself until all of you and all of your accumulated power is together at a single point. As you continue onward you slowly give up the things that no longer matter to you, until you eventually become a spirit.

The way that they were talking about 'Mantles', and their focus on the inheritance of power implies, at least to me, that they are instead literally inheriting parts of their spirit teacher/ancestor's aspects, and rather than learning, growing from it and incorporating it into themselves the way that cultivators do, instead wear titles like [Songstress of Endings] like a cloak. Giving them a facsimile of the power of the spirit (they said something about compatibility), but since they said "One can only become a mantle... " only one can worn at a time.

This implies that while they can swap out powers, that they are limited to a finite set, that being that they can only be, at most, as powerful as the spirit that who's Mantle they are wearing, and can do no more than that spirit could do. and given that when we and Hanyi sang different parts of our teacher's name (via separate arts) they said she was "She is splintered." there is the implication that they have only a single version of any art that they have "Inherited".

Moreover, given that the woman is only fifth realm, and "It [a Mantle] is what one becomes as they leave humanity behind. As I have begun, as Iron-Crow-whose Wings-are-Wide has reached completion" , it implies that they cannot rise as far as white (realm 8) before becoming a spirit.

All in all I don't think that art sets and "Mantles" are remotely equivalent. I think it'd be closer comparison to swapping out their entire Domain. and given that "as Iron-Crow-whose Wings-are-Wide has reached completion", I'll bet they don't ascend to be a spirit with their own Domain, and instead become a new spirit with the domain that they inherited.
 
So, is this the first case of our way directly barring a path forward? Not that I don't 100% agree with Ling Qi in this case. I wonder if this is going to become more common as we advance and our path becomes more rigid.
 
[X] Politely refuse the request, reiterate your original offer
[X] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.


I mean obviously we're going to let her speak but I'll be damned if the vote doesn't reflect Ling Qi absolutely refusing initially. Like, c'mon, we need at least a superficial 10% votes for Ling Qi telling the Voice to shove her compensation up her trunk, so that she does it in her head at least. We were supposed to create our Frozen Soul Serenade successor together when we returned.
 
[X] Let Hanyi speak her mind, she is technically the one receiving an offer.

She gets a say too. And she's shown interest in the stuff going on here as well, the last thing we want is to have her act out if she's actually interested in attending Ice Child Boarding School and we overruled her, because the binding stuff is unknown and the first lesson we got from Xuan Shi is that we need to do everything in our power to minimize ambiguity.

This will get sharp very quickly if they think for a moment that she's enslaved or that her will is being manipulated.
 
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