We would need to master and modify entire art before using it.
I really hope that blessing of Fang is not melee
[X] Accept the blessing of Hide
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I really hope that blessing of Fang is not melee
[X] Accept the blessing of Hide
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If you want to get only mildly reductionist, this entire thread, and the last one, are giant flaming piles of arguments and salt. Anything else is just more of the same, so ehhhh, I don't see the issue. I also trust yrs not to just give us a shit art here - if we get an art at all, there's a real chance we don't.
And on top of that, when one of the old guard was chosen as the King instead and ordered them to stop, then went full revolt-mode instead.
Not quite. It means that any offensive art we run into is less likely to be good, but that matters much more for one-off sources like this one than "pick your favorite" sources like the Sect Archive or the Cai Library.
We don't need Moon + Music to make a good offensive art; we only need Music + Mid Range. And I find it hard to believe that the archive won't have something good there.
Considering that Arts are fundamentally just expressions of a Cultivators Domain, and the "Boon" is something that is to be placed on Ling Qi that she will "Carry with her into the waking world"
I don't think we have to worry about the resulting Art not fitting Ling Qi's own fighting style. If anything, she's going to wind up getting a slice of the King of the Forest's Domain and wind up expressing it as an Art through her own self. Kind of like how the various spirits in the guys entourage are themselves clearly affected by it.
So these concerns about whatever the resulting Boon not being compatible are overblown, I feel.
I don't think we have to worry about the resulting Art not fitting Ling Qi's own fighting style. If anything, she's going to wind up getting a slice of the King of the Forest's Domain and wind up expressing it as an Art through her own self. Kind of like how the various spirits in the guys entourage are themselves clearly affected by it.
So these concerns about whatever the resulting Boon not being compatible are overblown, I feel.
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Do you honestly believe that QM would put in a complete trap option in the guise of a "boon"? That just doesn't make sense. Either both are traps (unlikely and equally nonsensical) or neither are.
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Yeah from that perspective they should be fine, but some of the concern obviously comes from the more meta idea that Yrs sometimes has shown difficulty making arts that are worth Ling Qi's time. *looks at AE sadly*
Myself I don't share that particular concern tbh, I was on the fence and Erebeal's words made me change my mind to thinking "You know what being Selkie-like would be amusing" because they amused me.
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What you are saying would be true for Domain Insights into Arts, but it is not true for Arts in and of themselves. The lesson we take from an Art when we finish it will be personalized to us, but the Art itself is a fit for the originator, not the person practicing it.
Now, we can hope that the King will be generous and give us something tailored to our combat style, but that is all we would be doing - hoping.
Also we don't actually need that at all. We have good attacks from Zeqing. What we'd want from an offensive art would be either summons, group buffs, or stealth/sneak attack buffs.
And the description of these blessings sounds much more like personal boosts rather than group ones, which would focus things down to a weapon agnostic non-melee offensive stealth art, if it's an art. And unfortunately blessing of fang sounds way more like some physical melee thing.
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Consider that we got PLR as a reward for doing well at the Moon Gala.
Is PLR a high quality art? Absolutely.
Is it a good fit for us? Eeeeeh. It is not terrible, but it relies on skills and masteries we didn't have and didn't especially synergize with our build. We decided to incorporate it into our build because the quality is too good to turn down and because we liked to Moon element, but if we had been able to choose the art we got I strongly doubt that is the art we would have gotten.
So its not that one of the options is a trap. It is just that, given the decent chance that the art will be high quality but only a mediocre fit, I'd rather have a mediocre fit to our already-scattered defense than a mediocre fit to our reasonably-compact offense.
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On the other hand, our defense is top tier, while our offense is lacking. We have more ways of getting better defense.
A top tier boon to offense in exactly what we want.
I find it very dubious that a White Moon Spirit won't having something fitting.
A top tier boon to offense in exactly what we want.
I find it very dubious that a White Moon Spirit won't having something fitting.
He look like summon specialist to me, "fang" may be summon/group offense.
But I think hide is safer choice.
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Our offense is pretty top-tier too. It is just that a lot of our offense is in the form of debuffs instead of direct damage, because that was our combat style. Even then, we have FSS for offense, and there is a decent chance that we will get a successor to it.
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We just had a fight where FSS was not cutting it.
If this is a pure offense Moon art of quality similar to PLR it's going to be obscenely good. Especially if it starts at our level.
Not to mention offense plays very well with the Blooy Moon's theme.
So it's arguably a stronger pick, in the absolute sense, than Hide.
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[X] Accept the blessing of Fang
Can you cite where "FSS was not cutting it"? I don't remember that being the case.
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So it looks like the Weilu split was between a faction that wanted to urbanize and the "originals" who tried to return to the old ways. No wonder Renxiang doesn't think too highly of them; to her they must seem like enemies of order and progress.
Oh, of course, it was your side that was being polite and rational, and the others must be insane. Surely the other side doesn't feel the same about their own position.
[x] Ask for something else, despite the risk
-[x] Ask that Shen Hu and any mortals be spared the hunt
Yes, this is probably pushing our luck. I'm voting for it anyway.
Oh, of course, it was your side that was being polite and rational, and the others must be insane. Surely the other side doesn't feel the same about their own position.
[x] Ask for something else, despite the risk
-[x] Ask that Shen Hu and any mortals be spared the hunt
Yes, this is probably pushing our luck. I'm voting for it anyway.
That would be good reason to get arts with bonuses to spiritual offense, music and cold, not random attack art.
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To be honest, it seems pretty clear what happened here, and how 'Both sides can be in the right'
This is almost certainly post-Unification (Or at least very close to it), close enough that complex society was beginning to form, and the real benefits of Agriculture started to really kick in. The Bai were fine because they were terrifying vengenance-sneks, so they could build grand cities and any spirits that had issues could go stuff themselves. The Zheng were fine because they were party animals who basically bribed the other spirits with booze and offerings of stone and statuary to appease them while they expanded.
The Weilu... Were not so fine, they were getting slowly but steadily out-competed because the deals they had set up with the spirits of the wood for safety limited how much space they actually had to keep up with food production so as to not get run over by the other First Founding Clans that didn't set up their initial prosperity through long generational spirit deals.
Tensions were steadily rising, and while the old patriarch kept a lid on things by refusing to outright censure them for expanding beyond ther bargains, he couldn't erase the anger the spirits had at the continual urban Weilu expansion.
And eventually--as with all men--he died, and in the subsequent succession, a hardline traditionalist took power and dropped an ultimatum. "Withdraw to your agreed upon territories and dismantle your structures, or we will do it for you."
Naturally, this was unacceptable, because by this point, the population had risen to such a degree that burning out all the outlying farms that were keeping everyone fed would kill potentially millions, and effectively cause the collapse of the Weilu anyway. So the Reformers said "No, we won't do this thing."
And cue the current situation. Two reasonable standpoints that nonetheless were incompatible, because neither side could afford to back down.
This is almost certainly post-Unification (Or at least very close to it), close enough that complex society was beginning to form, and the real benefits of Agriculture started to really kick in. The Bai were fine because they were terrifying vengenance-sneks, so they could build grand cities and any spirits that had issues could go stuff themselves. The Zheng were fine because they were party animals who basically bribed the other spirits with booze and offerings of stone and statuary to appease them while they expanded.
The Weilu... Were not so fine, they were getting slowly but steadily out-competed because the deals they had set up with the spirits of the wood for safety limited how much space they actually had to keep up with food production so as to not get run over by the other First Founding Clans that didn't set up their initial prosperity through long generational spirit deals.
Tensions were steadily rising, and while the old patriarch kept a lid on things by refusing to outright censure them for expanding beyond ther bargains, he couldn't erase the anger the spirits had at the continual urban Weilu expansion.
And eventually--as with all men--he died, and in the subsequent succession, a hardline traditionalist took power and dropped an ultimatum. "Withdraw to your agreed upon territories and dismantle your structures, or we will do it for you."
Naturally, this was unacceptable, because by this point, the population had risen to such a degree that burning out all the outlying farms that were keeping everyone fed would kill potentially millions, and effectively cause the collapse of the Weilu anyway. So the Reformers said "No, we won't do this thing."
And cue the current situation. Two reasonable standpoints that nonetheless were incompatible, because neither side could afford to back down.