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If there were other impressions to be formed, Yrs would put them into the vote. I don't think he's going to blindside us with a secret -Shenhua effect.
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If there were other impressions to be formed, Yrs would put them into the vote. I don't think he's going to blindside us with a secret -Shenhua effect.
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And "easy to convince the Empire of" is important when we only are going off a half understood conversation.
Mind you, I suspect that what is actually going on is that we were talking to Hanyi's grandmother.
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So you are saying that Yrs has given us a trap vote?
The whole point of the clear vote was that people could pick what they like, instead of acting out of fear of making the wrong choice.
The consequences are what were stated.
Also, no, that is not fantasy logic, it is a realistic take on what is going on, this is a game, we know this is a game, the one running this game has stated us the options and consequences of those options.
Any problems that voting culture will bring are purely out of siding with traditionalists and slightly pissing off one specific clan, not some hidden trap.
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This vote is for ?. It shows who we want to make happy and who we want to make angry. I'm assuming it's some how trying to tell the court that LQ had a broken conversation with an odd barbarian. The theory is it is to make an alliance maybe with ice lady. Why not just put out the information we got and be neutral instead of trying for an unverified alliance appeal and stop making enemies in the long run?
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Trying to appeal to all, will appeal to none. And trying to piss off none will quite possible piss off everyone.
We are CRX's top minion atm, us trying to stay outside politics will not look good.
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Well, finally caught up with this saga. It's really nice to find such a gem as soon as I come back to SV... 
I think in this vote there's likely to be some impact based on how much our argument resonates with the Duchess (in addition to the well-discussed effect on our perception at court.) And for a while at least, the Duchess's opinion of us matters a lot more than the court's opinion.
I think the 'military' option will resonate best with the Duchess. It's both a pragmatic and a moral argument. We don't want to unite our enemies, and we don't want to destroy those who haven't betrayed their treaty.
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
I think in this vote there's likely to be some impact based on how much our argument resonates with the Duchess (in addition to the well-discussed effect on our perception at court.) And for a while at least, the Duchess's opinion of us matters a lot more than the court's opinion.
I think the 'military' option will resonate best with the Duchess. It's both a pragmatic and a moral argument. We don't want to unite our enemies, and we don't want to destroy those who haven't betrayed their treaty.
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
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Why?Well, finally caught up with this saga. It's really nice to find such a gem as soon as I come back to SV...
I think in this vote there's likely to be some impact based on how much our argument resonates with the Duchess (in addition to the well-discussed effect on our perception at court.) And for a while at least, the Duchess's opinion of us matters a lot more than the court's opinion.
I think the 'military' option will resonate best with the Duchess. It's both a pragmatic and a moral argument. We don't want to unite our enemies, and we don't want to destroy those who haven't betrayed their treaty.
The consequences are laid out quite clearly in the vote, why search for some hidden trap?
I doubt Shenhua cares what argument we make, as long as we make it well and provide good reasons, and thanks to CRX, we will.
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I'm new to this quest, so I don't know exactly how this QM runs things, but every quest I've ever been in had consequences to choices that weren't explicitly laid out in the question. Probably because that's how real life works.
in my opinion this is more about presentation.
this vote is more about presenting the personality of ling qi for future interactions with the noble families. I believe that because of this vote we'll get different cutscenes with different noble families and different options about how to approach them. this is less about how we'll be dealing with the cloud tribe since a decision on that will probably come out later, and more about who we want to approach first. I guess the thread decided they wanted to approach the traditionalists, and that they didn't mind stepping on the diao's tail. I think the latter is somewhat of a problem, but there shouldn't be too much damage there. at most in future references the diao will be neutral towards us with slight destain.
as for the duchess, even if she is displeased with ling qi she won't show it to not undermine her daughter. I doubt she will care much of course. at worst her connection to the diao will make it a slightly difficult reaction but nothing much.
I doubt the court will give ling qi too much of a choice about how to approach this. maybe the duchess will as some sort of test, but it's unlikely. but I think she will have some say in this as she will be the main diplomat and in-between of the duchy and the tribe. but I think this will be a bit after she met them and started to report back on their interactions.
I still think the military option is the best. at most we annoy the meng a bit, but they are hardly connected to ling qi. we bond with the wang which we already started to of course. on top of that all, it makes sense because of the war context. this seems like the safest option.
sorry for pointing out the maybe obvious.
this vote is more about presenting the personality of ling qi for future interactions with the noble families. I believe that because of this vote we'll get different cutscenes with different noble families and different options about how to approach them. this is less about how we'll be dealing with the cloud tribe since a decision on that will probably come out later, and more about who we want to approach first. I guess the thread decided they wanted to approach the traditionalists, and that they didn't mind stepping on the diao's tail. I think the latter is somewhat of a problem, but there shouldn't be too much damage there. at most in future references the diao will be neutral towards us with slight destain.
as for the duchess, even if she is displeased with ling qi she won't show it to not undermine her daughter. I doubt she will care much of course. at worst her connection to the diao will make it a slightly difficult reaction but nothing much.
I doubt the court will give ling qi too much of a choice about how to approach this. maybe the duchess will as some sort of test, but it's unlikely. but I think she will have some say in this as she will be the main diplomat and in-between of the duchy and the tribe. but I think this will be a bit after she met them and started to report back on their interactions.
I still think the military option is the best. at most we annoy the meng a bit, but they are hardly connected to ling qi. we bond with the wang which we already started to of course. on top of that all, it makes sense because of the war context. this seems like the safest option.
sorry for pointing out the maybe obvious.
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There will be plenty of unforeseen consequences, but those are long term, not immediate, and caused by how we choose to act in future votes.
This is a faction pick between the three main groups at the court, and has been pretty explicitly given with clear consequences so people can make their choice without fear of unforeseen consequences.
This quest has no trap options, usually if there is uncertainty of outcome, we will either be given the DC of diceroll, or not told the consequences, this vote is not one of those.
Consequences are as follows, two clans will like us more, one clan will like us less. Shenhua is almost certainly not going to change their opinion no matter the option picked.
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We were brought in to build bridges with the traditionalists, which include the Meng, and happily picking culture option will not annoy Wang either so that's a pretty safe pick.
Pick military and you will annoy the traditionalists, pick traditionalists you annoy merchants, pick merchants and you annoy the military.
Except in 2 to 1 ratio, so you always end up 1 up in relations.
Picking culture you gain rep with the faction we were supposed to help the Cai with, and don't annoy the people we are currently working with, nor the merchant clan whose scion is courting us (and also one of who is kinda sorta not really but actually dating Meizhen, so that's a reason to stay nice with the Bao).
Also getting good with the Luo might help with the Bao/Luo issue at the sect in a way that leaves Meizhen happy and us with a new crafter friend while not pissing the Luo.
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No; I'm saying that votes have consequences beyond those which are explicitly pointed out as mechanical effects.
This should be pretty uncontroversial. The mechanically listed effects are increased/decreased favor with particular clans, but the vote ISN'T phrased as "who do you tailor your argument towards", but "what argument do you make". The argument itself matters, which is why you see part of the thread talking about anything but clan comparisons at all - for example, discussing what kind of reputation we form, what perception of the barbarians we want to encourage, etc.
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There will be further outcomes from allying with certain groups instead of others.
But those are from the stated consequences, not some hidden effect.
Some options are "worse" only if you do not like them, or the reputation they bring.
So for me culture is the best, others are worse, and for you another option might be best while culture is worse.
But that is just an opinion, like what color the gown should be for our next outing, not some hidden outcome.
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It's... pretty clear we want to be friendly to the ice ladies and the culture vote appears to be closest to that sentiment, The Daio and Peak's ambassador and other central empire supporters from within all the ES clans are gonna spit blood dislike and maybe set up as a future enemy/antagonist but that's politics.
I was for the military pragmatism at first as well for the Wang clan to get to know the ice ladies better in the long run but this is our debut on what the Ling clan values for the clans to know and previous arguments were what swayed me to hold to the old traditions view more than pragmatism.
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Welp, Culture won.
I know I voted for this, but I have to say, I can't believe we're actually about to do this.
I know I voted for this, but I have to say, I can't believe we're actually about to do this.
For the Empire we will assimilate you!