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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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yrsillar said:
"So I am afraid that I will not be able to improve on your gown directly Miss Ling. This girl has a seed of self , and I will not alter that. But my, what a jealous daughter, I will have to be careful in fixing your accessories so that she does not take offense."
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If our dress is developing her sense of self, and we do as she wishes and include her in our flight art rather than learn to use it without her... like, obviously that makes her happy, because she'd be jealous otherwise. But is that a good thing to encourage? I'm not sure if that is a preference we ought to entertain. Maybe it would instead be better for long-term development of the relationship to set the ground rule that dress-chan has to play nice?
 
olamide said:
Very cute scene with Biyu. And Zhengui is being so sweet to play with our family like that. I really really wanna know what the dress reaction is. I think a slightly slower cultivation speed is worth it? Not sure.
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tenchifew said:
It is +0.2 vs -0.2, so a difference of 40%, let alone a lost art bonus, so quite a lot, actually.
On the other hand, the dress is probably capable of becoming a full fledged spirit and we will need to build our relationship with it, so...
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LFTW2 is the last level possible in G3, which means ultimately the question is 'can we reach LFTW2 with penalty'. Apparently it's still 96% odds of doing so even with the penalty, which more or less means the vote should be about what we want, rather than about the cultivation penalty.

I'd say both choices are actually really tempting. Dress, if it wake up, will give Ling Qi something big right now, but it's arguable that it was going to wake up sooner or later anyway. LFTW having a bonus is definitely a bonus that will last Ling Qi's whole stay at the sect, given it's going to be her main mobility art until G7, and she won't get G7 in the sect.

So if we are looking at ''benefit', it mostly depends on whether we think the dress would wake up even without that in a couple turns or not.

Of course, narratively having the dress waking up earlier is good, and likewise it would give it more time to get stronger before competition.

Erebeal said:
Mmm, I think it's also worth looking at this vote in the context of LQ's current heart demon and character arc.

Yes, you can say "want LQ to be the strongest she personally can be, and not be reliant on others" but that's exactly what the current issues are about. Should we not be trying to work with our partners, and considering their feelings?
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I'm not sure which choice would be considering its feeling? Would it be the choice that has the dress waking up from sheer jealous rage, or the choice that tries to hide Ling Qi cheating on it?
 
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I mean the Twilight Gown gives us flight which no doubt Flight of the Wind Thief will as well. The Reaction is probably going to be the dress realizing that it'll become redundant, maybe resulting in it adapting to improve our own flight instead. It'll set a precedent of the dress feeling that being useful to us takes priority, changing and adapting to our abilities.
 
Arkeus said:
LFTW2 is the last level possible in G3, which means ultimately the question is 'can we reach LFTW2 with penalty'. Apparently it's still 96% odds of doing so even with the penalty, which more or less means the vote should be about what we want, rather than about the cultivation penalty.
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My bad, I missed the wind bonus from Sixiang that LFWT gains over SCS.

It's actually ~100%.

Maths ruins attempts to penalise our cultivation yet again :V
 
I do want to point out that LQ has been accused of being too dependent on her dress in the past. IIRC, the rumor going around was that she was being possessed by her dress and that was why she was so powerful. On a more serious note, Sixiang has pointed out how LQ is kind of afraid to take off her dress. Would this be a good time to do that?

I personally want to see the dress evolving, but I'm not sure it's in LQ's best interests
 
dycouza said:
I mean the Twilight Gown gives us flight which no doubt Flight of the Wind Thief will as well. The Reaction is probably going to be the dress realizing that it'll become redundant, maybe resulting in it adapting to improve our own flight instead. It'll set a precedent of the dress feeling that being useful to us takes priority, changing and adapting to our abilities.
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You showed us the before mentioned jealousy of Dress-chan. I think, it could be argued that awakening now while Ling Qi is learning to overcome the most obvious use of the Dress, which is flying, could bring some social conflict between Ling Qi and the Dress. Their physical non existance of distance between them would mean they will have talk about it and knowing Sixiang, find a solution to this problem sooner than later.
Should the Dress awaken later the problem of flying would come up again, since every cyan cultivator can fly and that would, again, make the most obvious use of the Dress redundant and result in some kind of jealous temper tantrum.
I prefer to confront this issue sooner than later.
Ignoring the math behind this, I will vote for wearing this dress out of narrative reasons.
 
[X] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)

The dress pairs well with the art, but if we are wearing the dress we will already be able to fly making it more difficult to learn from the art. I like the dress as much as the next person but the art was a gift and I would rather give it 100%.
 
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Arkeus said:
I'm not sure which choice would be considering its feeling? Would it be the choice that has the dress waking up from sheer jealous rage, or the choice that tries to hide Ling Qi cheating on it?
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I think that open communication and trying to work together is important for a lasting relationship.

Also, like, it's not as if we can keep our affair secret from dress-chan :V She's going to find out sooner or later, and as @Katreus noted if it's going to be a problem it's better that we sort it out now rather have it become one when we're trying to use LFWT.
 
A stronger argument against the dress is that our motivation for voting dress-chan is arguably a meta-driven OOC vote. It's us trying to drive the hypothesised dress-chan awakening arc forward.

In character, however, dress-chan has not awoken, and LQ doesn't think of it like a person atm. She has no reason to keep it on to be considerate of its feelings, and her having a discreet affair with LFWT is arguably just a sensible training decision that has no actual relationship to her heart demon at all because of that.

In that way, logically, it could make sense for her to train it without the dress initially to ensure she's not reliant on it, and then try to see how they can work together for even more power later on (though this could be argued to be trying to have our cake and eat it too).
 
[] Train Wind Thief while wearing your Cai Dress (-0.2 multiplier. Dress Reaction)

[X] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)

I will wait and see
 
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[] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)

We've got enough stuff going on, I would in fact prefer to delay "the hypothetical dress awakening arc."
 
Ok, the Wind thief art caps out at lv 2 and we still get the lv with the -0.2 modifier at about 100%, so the only thing the modifier does is decide how much overflow we get, and we dont care much for overflow, so it doesnt really matter much either way.

so it comes down to dress related bonus vs art related bonus.

i could see 'let's use the dress for help' advance the 'dress-chan' story line. I could also see it giving bonuses to the dress' abilities on a mechanical level.
on the other hand, the other option is about Ling Qi figuring the art out herself, which i could see advance things into a 'ling Qi takes another step towards unassisted flight' direction. Maybe with a flight related Athletics C -> Athletics B skill?
 
Personally, I love the themes of Wind Thief and I want to see it in its full glory, so I will vote for the Art Bonus.

As enticement, I offer LFWT's intro:

In this world there are a million tales long forgotten, great and small. In a time before the rule of men, before the arrogance of dragons, there were only beasts that called themselves gods. Yet strength breeds arrogance, and arrogance breeds complacency, and so long ago a cunning young girl plotted and planned and stole the Sovereignty of Wind from the gods. She flew beyond their reach, and mocked them with every league, the wind carrying her laughter across the land. In this art are the seeds of the way she forged, refined for the modern day, to inspire a disciples own flight. In mastering the dual powers of darkness and wind, that they might never be caught unwillingly again.

[] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)
 
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Since the LFWT was a gift from the moons, I'd like to boost it as much as possible. So I'm more inclined to train without the dress.

[] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)
 
[X] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)

Leaning towards this for now. Though the cultivation bonus is temporary, the art bonus is the real prize here. LFWT will be a mainstay of our build for the rest of our time in the sect, so we'll be feeling the effects of this bonus for a long time. Presumably, the dress reaction will be correspondingly helpful as well. It will likely open up a new plotline and might lead to us obtaining a new spirit faster. The potential jealousy issue our dress has could even lead to character development that helps us obtain the third advanced insight we need for G6. However, right now, we're already dealing with a major character development arc involving one of our spirits. I'd rather not introduce another spirit with its own baggage to this. Lastly, this option makes more sense for Ling Qi IC. As Erebeal said, Ling Qi's action here won't be out of respect for the dress as an individual, as Ling Qi doesn't view it that way.
 
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Mmm, the corresponding argument for cultivating with dress could be essentially treating it as more like Lark, and trying to really capitalise on the potential synergy between them for a more symbiotic art?

Otoh, I feel like that sorta still makes more sense to pursue after we've done the initial training on our own (even if, yes, that is kinda undermining the purpose of this vote).

Additionally, from a traditional Xianxia trope pov, neglecting your foundation is a bad thing.
 
yrsillar said:
On a less serious note, she found bouncing from place to place in thunder powered leaps endlessly amusing.
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This was Ling Qi's thoughts on Boom Leap even after she'd obtained the Cai Dress. I think she'd enjoy flying under her own power a lot. Also, I imagine the flying cultivators gain at the fourth realm uses Shen. So I don't think the dress would be less useful even then. Why use the more valuable resource when you can use the cheaper qi.

I totes don't have an image in my head of Ling Qi flying over a public part of the sect having the time of her life without her dress and stirring up some more rumors. No sirree.
 
With Xiulan no longer here, needing to train without the dress is the only way Ling Qi will be convinced to go buy and wear a different outfit.

JunglyBush said:
I totes don't have an image in my head of Ling Qi flying over a public part of the sect having the time of her life without her dress and stirring up some more rumors. No sirree.
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That sounds like a thing that might expose her ankles or even calves in public.

How lewd.
 
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