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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Vanguard_D said:
We are probably not discarding things yet. This is elevating a concept that will be with LQ and central to her always. Like mentioned in the update this is the first step. She got ambition slotted into her domain already (SCS) and got shades of the others due to nature or insights also.
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So far we've got:

Sincerity is the measure by which the worthiness of the self and ones guests should be measured.
There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
There is no peace in emptiness, no content in stillness. Stagnation is death; act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end.
Branches and trunks bend and sway, but the roots must remain unyielding. Retreat only so far and then no more.
One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family. (Advanced)

Of those, I'd classify two of them as pertaining to Loneliness (the third and the last) and one of them as relating to either Ambition or Want, depending on how you interpret it (the fourth).
 
yrsillar said:
Meridians

[][Meridians] Lung x2.Heart x1
[][Meridians] Lung x1, Heart x2
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So, huh, I think it's important here see what arts we are planning to have in the future, and whether they use more lungs or heart. First, keep in mind those votes are the meridians that will be 'gone' (so more heart means less heart, and so on). Likewise, Ling Qi has 8 hearts opened to her 9 lungs. The first choice would mean there will be 7/7 lung/heart available, while the second would mean there is 8/6 lung/heart available.

Lung arts: BKSD (4), FSS (3), PLR (3), RME (2) => 12 total? FSS will get scunched anyway, but 6 minimum needed next turn (likely 9)
Heart arts: BKSD (3), SNR (2), MoSS (2), MSS (2), New Resist Art? => 9? new resist art is likely to be heart, but 6 minimum needed next turn (likely 7)

It is worth noting that MoSS and MSS are likely to be "one one will be equipped at any one time", but that we are also likely to get a new resist art that has hearts. Likewise, I personally want to unequip FSS until we get FSS+ to make more place narratively to our new arts.

Regardless, we need a minimum of 7 hearts in the long run (barring scunches), and a minimum of 10 lung (FSS scrunch is a given).

So, huh... Honestly I think this vote doesn't matter at all in the long run, but the second vote has higher chance of it being easier on us.
 
Vanguard_D said:
Want feels more like LQ's base nature atm. The "Greedy girl" thing has been a central character trait since the beginning.
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OK, but you posted this:
Vanguard_D said:
She got ambition slotted into her domain already (SCS) and got shades of the others due to nature or insights also.
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And I was responding to it. The post you quoted didn't have anything to do with an overarching character trait analysis, it was just a survey of her domain and the themes I see in it.
 
dycouza said:
She is not ambitious for Ambition's sake, she wants it because she's terrified of being just another worthless girl among many and because she never wants to be alone again.
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This logic doesn't really jive.

She'd still have friends even if she never got passed green, you know? She's never tied cultivation to friendship before either.
Hell, most people dont GO past green.
 
Mmm, my feeling on Ambition is a) that dissonance is bleh, and b) "oh look, a quest protagonist wants to be the strongest. I've never seen that before"


For Want... Idk. It kinda feels less clear than the other options are? It has this ideal of "be greedy, never give up pursuing your desires" while not actually saying anything about her motivations or goals. In contrast, the other two paint very clear images of primary motivations and a drive to fulfill them. This leaves Want feeling somewhat anemic and a bit "so what does this really mean anyway" to me. Mechanically, it's also kinda ??? because TE doesn't really do much on its own.
 
Erebeal said:
Mmm, my feeling on Ambition is a) that dissonance is bleh, and b) "oh look, a quest protagonist wants to be the strongest. I've never seen that before"


For Want... Idk. It kinda feels less clear than the other options are? It has this ideal of "be greedy, never give up pursuing your desires" while not actually saying anything about her motivations or goals. In contrast, the other two paint very clear images of primary motivations and a drive to fulfill them. This leaves Want feeling somewhat anemic and a bit "so what does this really mean anyway" to me. Mechanically, it's also kinda ??? because TE doesn't really do much on its own.
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Hmmm...
kinda agree.

"Want" is not really defined clearly in my opinion as well, making it difficult to choos.
 
[] Ambition (Dissonance of Night's Terror, Water)

Come on everybody, embrace Ambition! It's not a bad thing; many a hero has been fueled by their desire to reach the top and be the best there ever was, etc. If you the player won't settle for less than White and then ascention to Great Spirit and you don't think that Ling Qi ought to settle for less either, then this is the chance to lay down our marker.

How far can she go?
 
Erebeal said:
Mmm, my feeling on Ambition is a) that dissonance is bleh, and b) "oh look, a quest protagonist wants to be the strongest. I've never seen that before"


For Want... Idk. It kinda feels less clear than the other options are? It has this ideal of "be greedy, never give up pursuing your desires" while not actually saying anything about her motivations or goals. In contrast, the other two paint very clear images of primary motivations and a drive to fulfill them. This leaves Want feeling somewhat anemic and a bit "so what does this really mean anyway" to me. Mechanically, it's also kinda ??? because TE doesn't really do much on its own.
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Basically, TE is the tech that enhance Elegy and Dissonance. It does the least on its own, but enhance the others, and I think it's reflected in 'Want', and... I agree it's not that precise in what it means. It's a bit like just putting back an actual decision till later, in my mind.

It might be that I just love loneliness though.
 
Arkeus said:
Basically, TE is the tech that enhance Elegy and Dissonance. It does the least on its own, but enhance the others, and I think it's reflected in 'Want', and... I agree it's not that precise in what it means. It's a bit like just putting back an actual decision till later, in my mind.

It might be that I just love loneliness though.
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Yeah. In terms of helping to define LQ's Way and her ideals, it just feels like it isn't doing a great job.

On another note - man, these domain changes really highlight how TRF wouldn't have worked. Like, a TRF domain would have been cool I think, bit it would have felt like such a weird swerve.
 
I like loneliness better. I imagine our allies in our mist, getting to feel the 'theme' of our domain as the mist enshrouds them. And, I imagine them feeling LQ's loneliness, her affection for them, letting them connect with her more deeply.

How would Want or Ambition feel? Woukd it share that emotion with them? Would it encourage greediness and selfishness on them? Or would it constantly remind them that Ling Qi is ambitious/greedy at her core?

If we ever have Meizhen or even Biyu and Qingge within the mist, I'd rather it encouraged them to hug Ling Qi and tell her "You're not alone, we're here with you" than to have them be like "Woah Ling Qi, you're sure, uh... I mean, I knew you were ambitious, but holy heck, I'm impressed. I can FEEL your craving all around me."
 
Erebeal said:
Mmm, my feeling on Ambition is a) that dissonance is bleh, and b) "oh look, a quest protagonist wants to be the strongest. I've never seen that before"


For Want... Idk. It kinda feels less clear than the other options are? It has this ideal of "be greedy, never give up pursuing your desires" while not actually saying anything about her motivations or goals. In contrast, the other two paint very clear images of primary motivations and a drive to fulfill them. This leaves Want feeling somewhat anemic and a bit "so what does this really mean anyway" to me. Mechanically, it's also kinda ??? because TE doesn't really do much on its own.
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isn't Traveller's End the technique that gives us the area nuke
 
sergit said:
How would Want or Ambition feel? Woukd it share that emotion with them? Would it encourage greediness and selfishness on them? Or would it constantly remind them that Ling Qi is ambitious/greedy at her core?

If we ever have Meizhen or even Biyu and Qingge within the mist, I'd rather it encouraged them to hug Ling Qi and tell her "You're not alone, we're here with you" than to have them be like "Woah Ling Qi, you're sure, uh... I mean, I knew you were ambitious, but holy heck, I'm impressed. I can FEEL your craving all around me."
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That is a very negative view of those options considering that they are spelled out to be for those very people you say will be put of from them. Ambition mentions pulling them with her. Isn't that what Zhengui and Hanyi wanted? Isn't that what Qingge wants? To not be left behind.

Are Hanyi going to have a negative reaction to the feelings of Want that saved her life? Will Meizhen for the Want that drove LQ to approach her?

You are really only out to paint them badly here and it shows. Talk about what you want to make LQ's first primary not why something sucks for arbitrary reasons without any backing in the text or story. All of the options are already core parts of LQ.
 
Mmm, thinking about it, Loneliness might make the story all about character drama and slice of life and "cooldown arcs" :p


Ofc, that's playing to yrsillar's strengths, and is apparently what much of the quest is here for so that might not be a bad focus to have?
 
Want is the most vague term which makes it best. It covers desire, volition, everything that defines free will and humanity. You can have people without ambition or loneliness, but everyone has wants.
 
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zinay said:
isn't Traveller's End the technique that gives us the area nuke
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Yes, AOE nuke plus AOE stun (test vs composure)

yrsillar said:
The user may choose to end the melody at any time after Travelers End has been used. If they do so, the song reaches its finale, and all other techniques of the Forgotten Vale are ended as well. All who were still lost within the mist suffer an immediate spiritual attack of great magnitude, an echo of the travelers death in that far away vale. Those damaged by this attack may be paralyzed utterly by the assault, if their composure is too weak.
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[] Loneliness (Starlight Elegy, Music)

Because there is nobody more miserable than someone who is truly alone, and it is her unpleasant memories that motivated a considerable number of Ling Qi's actions.
 
ok, so let me make a case for

[] Loneliness (Starlight Elegy, Music)

Loneliness is Ling Qi at her lowest. It is her pain. It is what drives her to seek out friendship and family more than anything else. It is a very character defining trait right now, since Ling Qi spent about ~4-5 years on the street iirc. She is less than 2 at the sect by now.

I think this earnest desire for friendship is one of the best traits Ling Qi has and i want her to keep it not only now, but also in a a few hundred years when the time she spent on the street will be just a very distant memory for her. This is why I think Loneliness is actually a good choice for this vote.
 
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