Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I mean, do remember what we've seen of Su Ling. Her big ambition is obviously to kill her mother, but we've also seen how she interacts with mortals and the stuff they have to deal with. After her 8 years of service is done I think she'd be inclined to be a wandering monster-hunter protecting mortals from threats that other immortals can't be bothered to deal with. I don't think she'd agree to any service or clan-entry that didn't respect this want.
Well, that says service under a permissive liege("go forth and kill gribblies in my name, also loot their materials") or working under a Ministry.

The Empire REALLY doesn't like people wandering around being unaccountable, even if they are doing good things.
 
We do actually have several distinct things. Whether its enough to actually go for an active recruiting attempt is another matter:
-Baronial household starter arts. The Cai Art Package contains everything you need to raise your own body of Red and Yellow armsmen which most new Barons have to either try to invent on their own, or horse trade for it when they have nothing to trade.

-Ducal direct vassal land on the border. Our fief is likely to be on the upper end of what a Baron COULD have, with the downside of needing to pacify more land than we should be able to do alone.

-Political connections. We're not exactly good at using it but our status as Renxiang's direct vassal is a position many politicos would kill for.

-Understanding liege. Most Barons signing up under another noble as vassal is taking quite the gamble on what they actually get. If Su Ling wanted to have a go at her mother for instance, she's going to need to clear that with either feudal or sect politicals, and that'd cost her.

Put all together, I expect Suyin to be out of reach(she has her own family arts, she's likely attached to her family name, she's already being courted by another Cai vassal, and her specialization is much better off near the Sect or provincial center than on the frontier), Su Ling on the other hand is more likely to be open to the idea.

The Ma Sisters MIGHT, not sure, but if they make it to Green, well, their family is artisans. Just high enough to know how big the gap is.

arts? we have a starter pack of arts, yes, but both of them have access to the sect archives, which have far more than what we have. The archives also have information about formation, which we do not have.

land? since both of them would be entitled to a full baron fief, we would need to get at least 3 barons worth of land from CRX, which i doubt will happen anytime soon. 'Good ducal land' is more a reason to sign up with Cai than with us.

political connection? your argument still reads more like a 'this is why you should sign up with Cai' than an argument for us, because currently our own political position is just not established enough to offer someone else political support.

being a understanding liege? Well, ok. they would get that.

we also cannot pay them btw. we are still bleeding more money than we earn, so we would basically ask them to work for free.

The sect offers them basically everything they might need to work on their project, be it arts, formations, literature, materials and probably more. Also, it seems like you forget that Su Ling is a pill crafter too.

As it is, the only thing that we can really offer them is the fact that we are friends and honestly? we would need to be really shity friends to ask them as it is to work for us with a worse deal than the sect gives them. Really, 'we are friends' is for me a reason to only offer them a job, if we know that we can offer them a better deal than the one they currently have.

Edit: I should mention that my post assumes that Su Ling can make it to the inner Sect (via the crafting tournament). I am very confident that she can do it, but until she does, it stays an assumption.
 
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Well, that says service under a permissive liege("go forth and kill gribblies in my name, also loot their materials") or working under a Ministry.

The Empire REALLY doesn't like people wandering around being unaccountable, even if they are doing good things.

I would totally be up to letting Su Ling be our vassal but be completely hands off and let her do basically whatever. I trust her.
 
I would totally be up to letting Su Ling be our vassal but be completely hands off and let her do basically whatever. I trust her.
I don't think that would be a good idea until Ling Qi has built up significantly more personal strength and political clout. Even if you trust Su Ling to be responsible, there are so many ways she could stumble into trouble or accidentally cause problems for us. With all of the politics we have to do for CRX having someone wandering around that we are accountable for but whose actions we are unaware of is a recipe for disaster. Even if Su Ling behaves completely reasonably it's an opportunity for a clan that feels they got snubbed in favour of a commoner to take a mostly free shot at us by setting up a scandal or something.
 
Hidden Moon Gathering-Death of a General
So... since I caught up... I believe the polite way to phrase this is "omake for the omake throne" and pinging @yrsillar ?

Now, I had to assume waaay too many details about the greater world even as I tried to keep certain things vague to write this, so I am almost certain this will end up as apocrypha, but in the off case I am mostly accurate but the deal-breaker lies in a detail that I can work around, please inform me so that I can correct it.

I am also including a small shoutout to another omake writer due to the relative proximity of topics. It's not important or anything, but considering that the story is about a painting, it felt rude not to at least make a tangential reference. @Lena27 , if that is not ok, tell me and I can remove it.

Also, I am kind of a new author, so any feedback is welcome and helpful.


Hidden Moon Gathering - Death of a general.
Creating a simulacrum that could function from a point 2 provinces away was not easy. Even for a man at Indigo. Even for a man with his resources. Nevertheless, for Zheng De it was kind of a routine. It had to be, because he had to make one of those once every few years. Every time there was a meeting.

Sneaking to the Savage Seas, as a Similacrum, with no one the wiser was easier. Internal borders were not created with Indigo level cultivators in mind, and if there was one thing this fragile Similacrum was good enough to emulate, it was stealth. Still, doing so was tense. Getting caught would cause quite a scandal. He was pretty sure he could weather the political fallout, as a favored scion of the Zheng ducal family, Indigo at the young age of 75, but that wouldn't mean there wouldn't be consequences for his actions. The foremost of which would be that his family would never let him live down the fact that he, a Zheng, was a dedicated scholar. The teasings and the hazings would not end even if he ascended as a Great Spirit, he thought with a touch of self-deprecating hyperbole.

He tried to calm himself. Paranoia was getting the better of him. Even if his simulacrum was caught, it couldn't be connected to him. It was purposely made with features entirely different than his, after all. Moreover, getting caught would probably raise an alarm, but unless a spy followed him, no one would know the actual purpose of his sneaking. Was a spy following him? Being caught talking would be much worse today than any other time, as he was planning to divulge one of the secrets guarded by his own family. He wasn't certain he could weather the consequences of that. What if all his outings were actually monitored, but the gatherings were deemed harmless by the Zheng... until now? No, bad paranoia, nobody was watching.

Risk be as it may, that secret burned inside him. His Way required him to divulge it, even if he were to die for it. Some part of him knew his family would see it as a betrayal, but he didn't see himself as unfilial. It was not like he was divulging a military or trade secret, nor was he insane enough to divulge a family art. He was just revealing a small bit of lost history today. Censoring the truth was for people that were afraid of the truth. He- the Zheng were not afraid of any truth, no matter how unpleasant it may be. By revealing it, he was setting his family free from the past shame of being too weak to accept reality, as far as his Way was concerned.

Still, he couldn't help being paranoid, as he passed through to the Alabaster Sands. And he couldn't help being paranoid as he flew over the water of the Savage Seas. Finally, he reached his destination. With water as far as the eye could see, and no visible landmarks, not unless one was looking very closely, anyone without the sense of space only cultivation could give would get lost. Even other cultivators tended to ignore the sea because it all looked the same to them. That made it a treasure trove of secrets and untapped resources that even the Xuan barely tapped, but, more pertinently to one such as himself, it made it an ideal hiding spot for secret meetings.

He couldn't really blame people for that, however. Even he would doubt he was in the right place if it wasn't for the one hidden landmark. It was subtle enough than almost no one would notice it if they weren't paying attention. Worse than that, it was something only really visible during one night each month. When the Moon was completely Hidden in the sky, showing no part of itself, the sea in this particular location would reflect a Full Moon, rather than the nothingness that it should, by all rules of nature, show.

"In this night, secrets long hidden finally become revealed." Upon uttering the password, the Moon reflection turned into a door. Moving the simulacrum closer to the door, he opened it. And suddenly, the simulacrum found itself somewhere different, in a moonlit garden, under the light of the Full Moon. Cultivators attuned to moon qi would also notice that the Hidden Moon also hung from the sky, an observation impossible to make with one's eyes due to the fact that the Hidden Moon was defined visually by its absence.

"Fashionably late as ever, scholar Qī " said a man in a black, feature obstructing cloak. "Not everybody has the capability to come here that easily, scholar Èr" Zheng De replied. Both names were fake, of course. Every scholar here used a fake name, passed down from their predecessor, who got it from their own predecessor, a line going back until the first meeting. That was the reason why there could never be more than 10 people in ta meeting.

"Be it as it may, scholar Qī , you called the meeting this time" Èr rebuked him.

"So what if I did? I am not the host you... I am not the host regardless" he almost slipped to his Zheng manners. He knew that Èr, the punctuation freak, had no ill intentions, but his constant rebukes drove him up the wall "why aren't you up in Jiǔ's case anyway?" he did slip back into his Zheng manners a little there "he always comes after me".

"I am indeed not finding myself agreeable with scholar Jiǔ's tardiness either" Èr replied, emphasizing the word scholar "but just because someone is more wrong does not mean the lesser offense is not an offense. Plus, I hardly even have the time to lecture him, due to the meetings starting as soon as we all arrive. By that time, there are more important things to discuss. And after the end of the meetings, he is the first to leave too, so I cannot talk to him then either. That vexes me to no end, mind you."

"Sorry to be late" a construct made of paper entered the room. That would be Jiǔ.

The exact moment Jiǔ finished apologizing, Líng's voice echoed in the garden "Gentlemen. It appears that the time of our meeting has arrived. As with the previous two meetings, scholar Sì could not make it. If he is unable to appear to the following two as well, I'll be forced to give his spot to someone more deserving" Líng, the host, would be an imposing man if the mask of a bunny, the traditional regalia of the host, didn't make him look so comical.

"The one who called this meeting is scholar Qī. As per usual, I reviewed their discovery, and I deemed it of appropriate importance to be discussed in our meetings. Rejoice, for under the light of the Moon another secret lost in history will be a secret no more"

Zheng De was certainly less... Zheng than most Zhengs, but he still found all this pomp ritual and etiquette extremely annoying. They were just a bunch of strong people discussing secrets lost in history, not conducting a parade. Unlike the original 10, they were not even all Moon cultivators. He certainly wasn't. Nevertheless, he repeated the words along with the others "Another secret will be revealed under the light of the Moon."

It was time, then, for the procession to start. The scholars sat in a circle, while he, the one who called the meeting, went to the circle's center. That was enough pomp for him, however, so he began by the hook, without much meandering.

"As most of you think you know, the situation with the Bai nowadays is the longest a founding ducal house has remained without a White, barring, of course, the ancient ducals that died off or disappeared. But did you know that back when the whole mess with the Shang was taking place, the Zheng actually had a period where they remained without a White for longer?"

"What kind of scientific term is "mess" Èr jeered

"We all know what happened, and I do not think it's valuable to describe it further. A mess is an apt descriptor. So, back then, there existed a painter by the name of Bì jiā suǒ . Most of his painting have been lost in time, but if accounts are to be believed, his painting exuded a strong emotional force. Some say that his method was similar to the Qi infusion certain master painters, such as Chen Niu, use to create magnificent works of art, but if accounts are to be believed, the strength of his paintings lied in their emotional resonance, not in their ability to create an illusory scene, so I think his Way was quite different. All these are assumptions, however, as only replicas of his paintings survive to this day."

"Bì Jiā Suǒ was mostly a painter of portraits that, somehow, captured the essense of a man. His talent managed to somehow keep him off the battlefield until the point where he reached Indigo. At that point, he participated in a clash. On whose side, it is not important" or known to him, damn incomplete records "but he saw what he later described as the horror of the war."

"And so, he decided to create a portrait"

"what does all of this have to do with the Zheng being left without a White" a person who seemingly lacked a face asked

"getting there, scholar Bā . You are a scholar, have some patience"

"I just cannot see how an Indigo could have any effect to the absence of a White, or the coverup thereof" Bā replied, indignant.

"That is why this is such an interesting secret" Líng interjected "now let him continue"

"As I was saying, Bì Jiā Suǒ decided to paint the portrait of war itself. He called a lot of officials to see it, hoping that maybe his skill with painting could sway the situation somewhat and, if not stop the war, at least limit meaningless slaughter. Indeed, records show that most of the people who saw this portrait were quite affected."

"General Zheng De" he shared a name with him. It was partly why he was interested enough in his story to dig stuff from the archive. It seemed strange to say that name out loud while referring to another. "who had built his Way around conflict and war, was annoyed by the fact his officers were getting less bloodthirsty and more squeamish. After investigating, he pinpointed the problem. Apparently, a painter had made a portrait strong enough to move hearts of iron and souls of stone. So one day, he visited the painter."

"For those of you not having memorised the names of all public Whites in history, he was the Zheng White of that era, a bloodthirsty warrior who cared little what side he'd end on as long as he found conflict. He was unpleasant and brutal, to the point even the Zheng found him too extreme but he was steered towards their political interests easily enough, by the right words, as long as there was conflict."

He hated that the Zheng had acted with such subterfuge and dishonesty. As far as he and most of the Zheng he knew were concerned, dishonest methods and oblique words such as the ones used to steer the general who shared his name were the true sign of barbarism. Yet, at some level, he knew that no great clan, not even the Zhen, could survive while being completely straightforward and upfront, in spite of what he was told as a child. It was still something that galled him greatly. He wished he was like his bondbrothers sometimes, still too weak of cultivation to know of the clan's subterfuge, not having to contemplate it and live with the shame of it every time it was brought up. Then again, wasn't he the same when he went to these meetings, today most of all? Full of lies and falsities?

He excised these thoughts from his mind and continued the story.

"One day, as I said, he visited Bì Jiā Suǒ. He was itching for a fight, but the painter was nothing but deferential towards him, as almost everyone is when they meet a White. Eventually, general Zheng asked to see the painting"

"Upon seeing the painting of war, a painting of suffering and abuse, death and despair, he remained transfixed. Seven days and seven nights he stood there, doing nothing but looking at the painting. Some members of the Zheng family came, trying to convince him to leave, but he wouldn't even react to their words, he just looked at the painting."

"Finally, during the eighth day, he uttered 3 words. "My life... wasted" . It was said that after that a tear trickled down his cheek. Then he just died. It was a peaceful death for a White who had lost his Way, but how could it be otherwise? His idea of conflict was stripped of everything positive, and, due to that, he had to strip himself from everything that had to do with war."

He stopped. As far as he was concerned, his story ended here. An Indigo killed a White simply by destroying his Way. But...

"What happened next?" Yī asked. As usual, Yī didn't look like anything at all.

He didn't want to say, he was ashamed of this, and it would reveal the shame of his family. Still, he had to. One cannot simply stop riding the tiger's back. It was not his Way to let the truth remain hidden. "The Zheng panicked. Even with a Sublime Ancestor, it was a dangerous time to stay without a White. But they couldn't find an excuse to kill the painter, making someone lose their Way is not a crime, the fault lies on the person who lost their Way. Plus, using the death of Zheng De as a pretext would involve revealing the death of their White, which would shame the clan greatly even if they had another White, and could be disastrous if, as the case happened to be, they had no other White. Manufacturing a pretext to kill him was dismissed too, as it could mean that someone would later look closely in this situation and find the truth. Considering the whole mess the world was in, and the usual behaviour of the Zheng, creating a pretext would probably have worked, but the heads of the clan were too panicked to think rationally. Assassination of the painter was ruled out, there were people capable of killing Indigos easily and quickly, but no one among the Zheng that could do it quietly, and bringing in an outsider was deemed too risky."

"In the end, they just intimidated the man into silence, waited for him to die, bought the painting from his estate and" he paused. In truth, that part was the most shameful of all "burned one of the greatest masterpieces the world has ever seen. The Zheng carried on, acting as if Zheng De was alive ut secluded in meditation, trying to ascend until they got anoter White. After that, they waited for a while longer and then stated publicly that he died of long age."

Despite the difficulty of those admissions, Zheng De felt that revealing the truth set him free. The people in the room had a way of making truths circulate, and he knew there would be a hubbabub within the Zheng house for a short while due to this, but as far as he, and his Way, were concerned, he had taken the first step of washing an old shame away. He felt so light and happy due to this that he almost didn't care about the glorious secrets that would be revealed in future meetings.

Almost.
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So I wanted to give these guys number-based code names. Imagine my surprise when two somewhat important names for the story -seven and zero- were translated as Qī and Líng. Jokes about Ling Qi being James Bond seem appropriate.

The object of contention had to be a painting, and not a poem or a song because it was inspired by Guernica. I really hope I am not stepping in the foot of Lena27's series with that, but it just had to be a painting.
 
I always figured if we played our cards right our dress would be our next companion.
I think Ugly River Eel is still on the table, even if it's not very likely at this point. It would be nice though. They could act as rivals to one another, motivating each other to greater improvement, and I'm sure any interactions between them would be great.
 
So... since I caught up... I believe the polite way to phrase this is "omake for the omake throne" and pinging @yrsillar ?

Now, I had to assume waaay too many details about the greater world even as I tried to keep certain things vague to write this, so I am almost certain this will end up as apocrypha, but in the off case I am mostly accurate but the deal-breaker lies in a detail that I can work around, please inform me so that I can correct it.

I am also including a small shoutout to another omake writer due to the relative proximity of topics. It's not important or anything, but considering that the story is about a painting, it felt rude not to at least make a tangential reference. @Lena27 , if that is not ok, tell me and I can remove it.

Also, I am kind of a new author, so any feedback is welcome and helpful.


Hidden Moon Gathering - Death of a general.
Creating a simulacrum that could function from a point 2 provinces away was not easy. Even for a man at Indigo. Even for a man with his resources. Nevertheless, for Zheng De it was kind of a routine. It had to be, because he had to make one of those once every few years. Every time there was a meeting.

Sneaking to the Savage Seas, as a Similacrum, with no one the wiser was easier. Internal borders were not created with Indigo level cultivators in mind, and if there was one thing this fragile Similacrum was good enough to emulate, it was stealth. Still, doing so was tense. Getting caught would cause quite a scandal. He was pretty sure he could weather the political fallout, as a favored scion of the Zheng ducal family, Indigo at the young age of 75, but that wouldn't mean there wouldn't be consequences for his actions. The foremost of which would be that his family would never let him live down the fact that he, a Zheng, was a dedicated scholar. The teasings and the hazings would not end even if he ascended as a Great Spirit, he thought with a touch of self-deprecating hyperbole.

He tried to calm himself. Paranoia was getting the better of him. Even if his simulacrum was caught, it couldn't be connected to him. It was purposely made with features entirely different than his, after all. Moreover, getting caught would probably raise an alarm, but unless a spy followed him, no one would know the actual purpose of his sneaking. Was a spy following him? Being caught talking would be much worse today than any other time, as he was planning to divulge one of the secrets guarded by his own family. He wasn't certain he could weather the consequences of that. What if all his outings were actually monitored, but the gatherings were deemed harmless by the Zheng... until now? No, bad paranoia, nobody was watching.

Risk be as it may, that secret burned inside him. His Way required him to divulge it, even if he were to die for it. Some part of him knew his family would see it as a betrayal, but he didn't see himself as unfilial. It was not like he was divulging a military or trade secret, nor was he insane enough to divulge a family art. He was just revealing a small bit of lost history today. Censoring the truth was for people that were afraid of the truth. He- the Zheng were not afraid of any truth, no matter how unpleasant it may be. By revealing it, he was setting his family free from the past shame of being too weak to accept reality, as far as his Way was concerned.

Still, he couldn't help being paranoid, as he passed through to the Alabaster Sands. And he couldn't help being paranoid as he flew over the water of the Savage Seas. Finally, he reached his destination. With water as far as the eye could see, and no visible landmarks, not unless one was looking very closely, anyone without the sense of space only cultivation could give would get lost. Even other cultivators tended to ignore the sea because it all looked the same to them. That made it a treasure trove of secrets and untapped resources that even the Xuan barely tapped, but, more pertinently to one such as himself, it made it an ideal hiding spot for secret meetings.

He couldn't really blame people for that, however. Even he would doubt he was in the right place if it wasn't for the one hidden landmark. It was subtle enough than almost no one would notice it if they weren't paying attention. Worse than that, it was something only really visible during one night each month. When the Moon was completely Hidden in the sky, showing no part of itself, the sea in this particular location would reflect a Full Moon, rather than the nothingness that it should, by all rules of nature, show.

"In this night, secrets long hidden finally become revealed." Upon uttering the password, the Moon reflection turned into a door. Moving the simulacrum closer to the door, he opened it. And suddenly, the simulacrum found itself somewhere different, in a moonlit garden, under the light of the Full Moon. Cultivators attuned to moon qi would also notice that the Hidden Moon also hung from the sky, an observation impossible to make with one's eyes due to the fact that the Hidden Moon was defined visually by its absence.

"Fashionably late as ever, scholar Qī " said a man in a black, feature obstructing cloak. "Not everybody has the capability to come here that easily, scholar Èr" Zheng De replied. Both names were fake, of course. Every scholar here used a fake name, passed down from their predecessor, who got it from their own predecessor, a line going back until the first meeting. That was the reason why there could never be more than 10 people in ta meeting.

"Be it as it may, scholar Qī , you called the meeting this time" Èr rebuked him.

"So what if I did? I am not the host you... I am not the host regardless" he almost slipped to his Zheng manners. He knew that Èr, the punctuation freak, had no ill intentions, but his constant rebukes drove him up the wall "why aren't you up in Jiǔ's case anyway?" he did slip back into his Zheng manners a little there "he always comes after me".

"I am indeed not finding myself agreeable with scholar Jiǔ's tardiness either" Èr replied, emphasizing the word scholar "but just because someone is more wrong does not mean the lesser offense is not an offense. Plus, I hardly even have the time to lecture him, due to the meetings starting as soon as we all arrive. By that time, there are more important things to discuss. And after the end of the meetings, he is the first to leave too, so I cannot talk to him then either. That vexes me to no end, mind you."

"Sorry to be late" a construct made of paper entered the room. That would be Jiǔ.

The exact moment Jiǔ finished apologizing, Líng's voice echoed in the garden "Gentlemen. It appears that the time of our meeting has arrived. As with the previous two meetings, scholar Sì could not make it. If he is unable to appear to the following two as well, I'll be forced to give his spot to someone more deserving" Líng, the host, would be an imposing man if the mask of a bunny, the traditional regalia of the host, didn't make him look so comical.

"The one who called this meeting is scholar Qī. As per usual, I reviewed their discovery, and I deemed it of appropriate importance to be discussed in our meetings. Rejoice, for under the light of the Moon another secret lost in history will be a secret no more"

Zheng De was certainly less... Zheng than most Zhengs, but he still found all this pomp ritual and etiquette extremely annoying. They were just a bunch of strong people discussing secrets lost in history, not conducting a parade. Unlike the original 10, they were not even all Moon cultivators. He certainly wasn't. Nevertheless, he repeated the words along with the others "Another secret will be revealed under the light of the Moon."

It was time, then, for the procession to start. The scholars sat in a circle, while he, the one who called the meeting, went to the circle's center. That was enough pomp for him, however, so he began by the hook, without much meandering.

"As most of you think you know, the situation with the Bai nowadays is the longest a founding ducal house has remained without a White, barring, of course, the ancient ducals that died off or disappeared. But did you know that back when the whole mess with the Shang was taking place, the Zheng actually had a period where they remained without a White for longer?"

"What kind of scientific term is "mess" Èr jeered

"We all know what happened, and I do not think it's valuable to describe it further. A mess is an apt descriptor. So, back then, there existed a painter by the name of Bì jiā suǒ . Most of his painting have been lost in time, but if accounts are to be believed, his painting exuded a strong emotional force. Some say that his method was similar to the Qi infusion certain master painters, such as Chen Niu, use to create magnificent works of art, but if accounts are to be believed, the strength of his paintings lied in their emotional resonance, not in their ability to create an illusory scene, so I think his Way was quite different. All these are assumptions, however, as only replicas of his paintings survive to this day."

"Bì Jiā Suǒ was mostly a painter of portraits that, somehow, captured the essense of a man. His talent managed to somehow keep him off the battlefield until the point where he reached Indigo. At that point, he participated in a clash. On whose side, it is not important" or known to him, damn incomplete records "but he saw what he later described as the horror of the war."

"And so, he decided to create a portrait"

"what does all of this have to do with the Zheng being left without a White" a person who seemingly lacked a face asked

"getting there, scholar Bā . You are a scholar, have some patience"

"I just cannot see how an Indigo could have any effect to the absence of a White, or the coverup thereof" Bā replied, indignant.

"That is why this is such an interesting secret" Líng interjected "now let him continue"

"As I was saying, Bì Jiā Suǒ decided to paint the portrait of war itself. He called a lot of officials to see it, hoping that maybe his skill with painting could sway the situation somewhat and, if not stop the war, at least limit meaningless slaughter. Indeed, records show that most of the people who saw this portrait were quite affected."

"General Zheng De" he shared a name with him. It was partly why he was interested enough in his story to dig stuff from the archive. It seemed strange to say that name out loud while referring to another. "who had built his Way around conflict and war, was annoyed by the fact his officers were getting less bloodthirsty and more squeamish. After investigating, he pinpointed the problem. Apparently, a painter had made a portrait strong enough to move hearts of iron and souls of stone. So one day, he visited the painter."

"For those of you not having memorised the names of all public Whites in history, he was the Zheng White of that era, a bloodthirsty warrior who cared little what side he'd end on as long as he found conflict. He was unpleasant and brutal, to the point even the Zheng found him too extreme but he was steered towards their political interests easily enough, by the right words, as long as there was conflict."

He hated that the Zheng had acted with such subterfuge and dishonesty. As far as he and most of the Zheng he knew were concerned, dishonest methods and oblique words such as the ones used to steer the general who shared his name were the true sign of barbarism. Yet, at some level, he knew that no great clan, not even the Zhen, could survive while being completely straightforward and upfront, in spite of what he was told as a child. It was still something that galled him greatly. He wished he was like his bondbrothers sometimes, still too weak of cultivation to know of the clan's subterfuge, not having to contemplate it and live with the shame of it every time it was brought up. Then again, wasn't he the same when he went to these meetings, today most of all? Full of lies and falsities?

He excised these thoughts from his mind and continued the story.

"One day, as I said, he visited Bì Jiā Suǒ. He was itching for a fight, but the painter was nothing but deferential towards him, as almost everyone is when they meet a White. Eventually, general Zheng asked to see the painting"

"Upon seeing the painting of war, a painting of suffering and abuse, death and despair, he remained transfixed. Seven days and seven nights he stood there, doing nothing but looking at the painting. Some members of the Zheng family came, trying to convince him to leave, but he wouldn't even react to their words, he just looked at the painting."

"Finally, during the eighth day, he uttered 3 words. "My life... wasted" . It was said that after that a tear trickled down his cheek. Then he just died. It was a peaceful death for a White who had lost his Way, but how could it be otherwise? His idea of conflict was stripped of everything positive, and, due to that, he had to strip himself from everything that had to do with war."

He stopped. As far as he was concerned, his story ended here. An Indigo killed a White simply by destroying his Way. But...

"What happened next?" Yī asked. As usual, Yī didn't look like anything at all.

He didn't want to say, he was ashamed of this, and it would reveal the shame of his family. Still, he had to. One cannot simply stop riding the tiger's back. It was not his Way to let the truth remain hidden. "The Zheng panicked. Even with a Sublime Ancestor, it was a dangerous time to stay without a White. But they couldn't find an excuse to kill the painter, making someone lose their Way is not a crime, the fault lies on the person who lost their Way. Plus, using the death of Zheng De as a pretext would involve revealing the death of their White, which would shame the clan greatly even if they had another White, and could be disastrous if, as the case happened to be, they had no other White. Manufacturing a pretext to kill him was dismissed too, as it could mean that someone would later look closely in this situation and find the truth. Considering the whole mess the world was in, and the usual behaviour of the Zheng, creating a pretext would probably have worked, but the heads of the clan were too panicked to think rationally. Assassination of the painter was ruled out, there were people capable of killing Indigos easily and quickly, but no one among the Zheng that could do it quietly, and bringing in an outsider was deemed too risky."

"In the end, they just intimidated the man into silence, waited for him to die, bought the painting from his estate and" he paused. In truth, that part was the most shameful of all "burned one of the greatest masterpieces the world has ever seen. The Zheng carried on, acting as if Zheng De was alive ut secluded in meditation, trying to ascend until they got anoter White. After that, they waited for a while longer and then stated publicly that he died of long age."

Despite the difficulty of those admissions, Zheng De felt that revealing the truth set him free. The people in the room had a way of making truths circulate, and he knew there would be a hubbabub within the Zheng house for a short while due to this, but as far as he, and his Way, were concerned, he had taken the first step of washing an old shame away. He felt so light and happy due to this that he almost didn't care about the glorious secrets that would be revealed in future meetings.

Almost.
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So I wanted to give these guys number-based code names. Imagine my surprise when two somewhat important names for the story -seven and zero- were translated as Qī and Líng. Jokes about Ling Qi being James Bond seem appropriate.

The object of contention had to be a painting, and not a poem or a song because it was inspired by Guernica. I really hope I am not stepping in the foot of Lena27's series with that, but it just had to be a painting.
I love this! And I'm ecstatic that we have this crossover thing in our omakes going! (idk what to call it except 'crossover')
 
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arts? we have a starter pack of arts, yes, but both of them have access to the sect archives, which have far more than what we have. The archives also have information about formation, which we do not have.

land? since both of them would be entitled to a full baron fief, we would need to get at least 3 barons worth of land from CRX, which i doubt will happen anytime soon. 'Good ducal land' is more a reason to sign up with Cai than with us.

political connection? your argument still reads more like a 'this is why you should sign up with Cai' than an argument for us, because currently our own political position is just not established enough to offer someone else political support.

being a understanding liege? Well, ok. they would get that.

we also cannot pay them btw. we are still bleeding more money than we earn, so we would basically ask them to work for free.

The sect offers them basically everything they might need to work on their project, be it arts, formations, literature, materials and probably more. Also, it seems like you forget that Su Ling is a pill crafter too.

As it is, the only thing that we can really offer them is the fact that we are friends and honestly? we would need to be really shity friends to ask them as it is to work for us with a worse deal than the sect gives them. Really, 'we are friends' is for me a reason to only offer them a job, if we know that we can offer them a better deal than the one they currently have.

Edit: I should mention that my post assumes that Su Ling can make it to the inner Sect (via the crafting tournament). I am very confident that she can do it, but until she does, it stays an assumption.
1) Sect archive arts have to be BOUGHT, and negotiated with the Sect to be able to re-teach them. Buying enough arts to run a barony is extremely expensive, even without factoring that you need to guess at what kind of arts you need without any prior body of knowledge.

2) You realize a full fledged barony could have more than a dozen Greens right? They'd need that much to even have a shot at breaking into the upper realms, to even LOOK at being a Count would require that they have Cyans, and thats one of the reasons that theres plenty of new barons every year without running out of land. The point is that 3 Greens on one barony is actually more practical than 3 Greens on three baronies. Clay only has value if you can exploit it.

3) They don't however, have any connection like that. Suyin has options to sign up with the Bao but Su Ling doesn't at all, and the Ma sisters are basically beneath notice.

The Sect is a great place if you want to focus on research, or if you're willing to be a cog in the machine.
 
I apologise for bothering you again, @yrsillar , but can you use "death of a general" as the threadmark instead? I may reuse the hidden room gathering in the future (it still has 8 mysterious characters from all parts of the empire to explore)

Edit: also, again, if a wrong detail is minor enough I can change it.
 
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land? since both of them would be entitled to a full baron fief, we would need to get at least 3 barons worth of land from CRX, which i doubt will happen anytime soon. 'Good ducal land' is more a reason to sign up with Cai than with us.

political connection? your argument still reads more like a 'this is why you should sign up with Cai' than an argument for us, because currently our own political position is just not established enough to offer someone else political support.
You say that like anyone can become a CRX retainer but more than half Ling Qi's political problems are due to all the nobles that envy her position.
 
1) Sect archive arts have to be BOUGHT, and negotiated with the Sect to be able to re-teach them. Buying enough arts to run a barony is extremely expensive, even without factoring that you need to guess at what kind of arts you need without any prior body of knowledge.

2) You realize a full fledged barony could have more than a dozen Greens right? They'd need that much to even have a shot at breaking into the upper realms, to even LOOK at being a Count would require that they have Cyans, and thats one of the reasons that theres plenty of new barons every year without running out of land. The point is that 3 Greens on one barony is actually more practical than 3 Greens on three baronies. Clay only has value if you can exploit it.

3) They don't however, have any connection like that. Suyin has options to sign up with the Bao but Su Ling doesn't at all, and the Ma sisters are basically beneath notice.

The Sect is a great place if you want to focus on research, or if you're willing to be a cog in the machine.

1)
She barely found herself able care about the tablet of white jade containing her arts. She browsed listlessly through them as the soldiers did their grisly work. There were many within, most arts in the first and second realm, the sort of things necessary to get a family started. Ling thought absently that she would have to work with her mother to see which cultivation art fit her best. There were handful though that she would have to study later, when she could concentrate.

These are mostly 1st and 2nd stage arts and as said are good to start a clan. However, we have almost nothing that they themself use for their own cultivation. This is bad, because the whole getting kids and building up a family/clan is likely decades into the future. At that point those arts would be useful, but until then, our clan starter pack isnt that useful to them.

2) There are different kind of situations for (new) greens:

- a new green could be part of the existing clan, in that case they are likely expected to their families fief. Recruitment here depends on having said other cultivators in your family

- a new green could be older than 17, which would mean they dont get the Baron title. They would need to be paid too, but they arent nobles and a fair salary might be affordable for a Baron clan too

- a fresh green might get the title, but are stuck in the outer sect for their entire sect stay. They are entitled to a fief, but arent really the most promising talents. Recruiting them should be more expensive than the non-nobles, since one needs to have a fief to hand out and I assume a certain amount of (financial/material) support is expected of a liege. This is already difficult for us in the near future, because we arent established enough (from a land/wealth/material pov) to have much to hand out to other barons, but I guess we could somehow make it work, if we find the income for it.

- the last and most expensive category: a fresh green might get the title and get into the inner sect. Not only would they be entitled to a fief, if you want to recruit them, it should also be a lot more expensive to make them a fair offer compared to the previous option regarding personal benefits. This is for one, because they are likely to get competing offers from other nobles and for two, because the inner sect is offers pretty good benefits/support too, which an offer would need to match (otherwise a Green that doesnt care for having a fief might just stay in the sect). I dont think we can afford to hire those in this category for the near future, unless we get really lucky and get super wealthy for some reason. Li Suyin is already in this category and I expect Su Ling to get there too.

If we reach Indigo and get the Viscount title (together with the territory and income of a viscount clan of course), then recruiting them should *probably* be a lot more reasonable. (This is probably faster than building up our territory to the point that it can support two other full-value baron fiefs in addition to ours.)

3) It is true that they dont have the connections we have.
However, Su Ling and Li Suyin continue to have the sect lifer option and pretty much no pressure to leave the sect any time soon. So either they get a good offer or they take the sect deal, which is actually pretty decent for them.


The Sect is a great place if you want to focus on research, or if you're willing to be a cog in the machine.

Very true, and given that both of our friends are crafters this is why i say that it is a decent option for them.


Now about the Ma sisters you mentioned? If they dont make it into the inner sect, I would be pretty open about at least trying to find a way to hire them
 
Su Ling is the likeliest of our friends to pick up into our household, and that's because of her unique goals. That is, she wants to gank her mother, who is probably moving around the Emerald Seas given that Su Ling got brought to the Argent Sect. She needs the ability to negotiate to move through people's territory to hunt her mother, something that would be made difficult if she was serving one count (or someone in their hierarchy) and she tracked her mother into another count's territory. Staying in the Sect for life also presents problems with hunting her mother, because she'd be saddled with location bound duties and need to earn enough favor to leave those duties to go on a hunting mission of indeterminate length. An imperial ministry would have similar issues but magnified, in that from what we've seen she would have even less freedom to pursue a personal vendetta instead of her duties in her assigned area.

So how does she get the position she needs to negotiate tracking down a problem throughout the Emerald Seas? Well, she needs to be in a position where she nominally should have access to all those lands, that is, working for the Cai or in their hierarchy. Direct service to the Cai is unlikely, given how normally things seem to be normally organized, so that means working for a Cai vassal. Which is where Ling Qi fits in that Su Ling could trust her to support her and deal with her fairly. Basically trading material advantage of working for an established Cai vassal for increased freedom to pursue her personal goals and her friendly relations with the Ling Clan head (Ling Qi).

However, even there, we need to consider the timeline. Su Ling is not going to be ready to go off hunting her mother with the goal of stabbing her for a long time, given the cultivation gap. So for practical purposes, she's going to be working solely on getting stronger...and the environment best suited to providing her resources for development isn't going to be anything Ling Qi can provide, but the sect on a temporary basis, with temporary likely being a few decades. So unless there's a timeskip, Su Ling is looking particularly far into the future (which seems unlike her), or post-sect CRX is given a budget to hire greens to bulk out her personal forces (think less retainers and more hired positions without the full feudal relationship), it's just not going to come up in any reasonable time frame.
 
My thoughts here is that Su Ling needs to be at least High Cyan to hunt down her mom, and given the decades it will take to get there if she is in the sect she'd be one of the stronger core disciples, and as such I expect she might 'make' the mission to hunt down her mom an official sect mission that she will herself lead, as by that point she'd at the very least be a elder apprentice.

If she manages to be a high cyan in the sect, that is.
 
- a fresh green might get the title, but are stuck in the outer sect for their entire sect stay. They are entitled to a fief, but arent really the most promising talents. Recruiting them should be more expensive than the non-nobles, since one needs to have a fief to hand out and I assume a certain amount of (financial/material) support is expected of a liege. This is already difficult for us in the near future, because we arent established enough (from a land/wealth/material pov) to have much to hand out to other barons, but I guess we could somehow make it work, if we find the income for it.
Very unlikely incidentally. Anyone who makes Green can expect to make it into Inner Sect, unless theres a sustained influx of high nobility(Count+) skewing the competition
 
Very unlikely incidentally. Anyone who makes Green can expect to make it into Inner Sect, unless theres a sustained influx of high nobility(Count+) skewing the competition
Back before the age for getting the title got dropped from 20 to 17 there would have been a few in this category, but with that retcon that's only really possible if a third year outer disciple reached Green and then a year full of stupidly talented 1st years arrived and just barely pushed them out of the running. And even then said disciple would need to be a commoner and not a noble.
 
Back before the age for getting the title got dropped from 20 to 17 there would have been a few in this category, but with that retcon that's only really possible if a third year outer disciple reached Green and then a year full of stupidly talented 1st years arrived and just barely pushed them out of the running. And even then said disciple would need to be a commoner and not a noble.
I.e. Wormboi for one.
 
Back before the age for getting the title got dropped from 20 to 17 there would have been a few in this category, but with that retcon that's only really possible if a third year outer disciple reached Green and then a year full of stupidly talented 1st years arrived and just barely pushed them out of the running. And even then said disciple would need to be a commoner and not a noble.
Bear in mind that there's no actual official rule barring Outer Sect people in their 4th year and above from entering the Inner Sect. It's just that those who are in their third year and still fail to get in usually do so due to having plateaued, and so there's little point in them continuing to try.
 
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