How far can we potentially Influence the Direction Valyria will take as a Nation if we take the Final Ghiscari-War starting Date and if we grow powerful enough? Politically and Economically?
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The Smallest of Dragons, The Loudest of Roars (An ASOIAF Valyrian Adventure Quest)
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You have the ability to do quite a bit if you can sort out your troubles, deal with political rivals and beat the Ghiscari, becoming a war hero.
to answer, you can abolish slavery if you really wanted to.
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But abolishing slavery has its own problems... namely a labor shortage so bad the world economy would never recover.
[X]The Final Ghiscari War (2000 BC): The final great conflict of Valyrian and Ghis is at hand. The Slavers of The Ghiscari empire have finally forgotten their place among the states of the world, and have… forgotten that it is Valyria that rules this world… That Dragons' are greater than the Harpies.
Hm...well, just straight up abolishing is not the only thing we can do. Gradual Emancipation could work.
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But then we get a taste for slavery and people might clamor for it.
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[X]The Doom (102 BC): There are whispers that the Masters of the Freehold is trying to do something… Something terrible. You did not know what it was… But all you saw as you flew away… There was no time. There was only fear. And as the Fourteen Flames Exploded… there was only one thought on your mind. "Doom"
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[X]The Western Expansion (1500 BC): The Great Wars of the East are now over. The slavers of Slaver's bay are destroyed, grounded under the claws of our Great Dragons. Our cities boom from gold and Silver from the mountains of the 14 Flames, with slaves extracting the riches for us… as we gaze westwards… To the RiverRhoynar, and the coast of the Narrow Sea… and a continent called, Westeros.
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That actually reminds me of the operations of CHOAM in the Dune setting.
Who are our actual neighbors in the earliest timelines? Ourselves and the Ghiscari are likely the only names we'd truly recognize locally because, well, a lot can happen in 5000 years. If this were the Earth, this would be far enough back that hieroglyphics and the potter's wheel would have just been invented in Egypt.
Are there standing responsibilities our family would be held to? I imagine it would be impolitic to just bugger off in the middle of a war and profiteering too hard would get us shanked.
More than that: Much of what made us powerful in canon required it. Our mines were, and could only ever be, deathtraps. Our magics required blood sacrifice.
Slavery is monstrous but fighting it as a Valyrian mostly means being outstripped by your peers and forgotten. The best we will be able to do is push for our people to not be quite as egregious about it.
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I don't see the problem with IN GAME!slavery, we can do it an relatively compassionate way.
Something more akin to slavery practiced by the Etruscans I presume?
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Yeahhhh, one of the reasons I prefer the Doom scenario, besides its other attractives, is that we do not have to open that can of worms, slavery is still slavery. I also doubt we can force dragon riders to relinquish their right to own people, though non-dragon riders would be easier to police, so stopping Valyria from being a society reliant on them would be a herculean task if that were one of our goals.
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The Ghiscari are the main ones.
to the west are the andels the Rhynor and Tyroshi. The other free cities have not been founded/ become prominent yet.
east is qarth and YI TI.
To be decided in charecter creation.
and fucking off for fun and profit is a quick way to lose that position.
Very true.
A possibility except that like Dany learned... people won't give up slaves without being forced to.
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No type of slavery is ever humane.
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There are degrees. Its not always even consistent within a single slave holding power. For the Romans being a slave could be anywhere from simply having a lifelong labor contract, often as a bureaucrat or technical worker such as the servus publicus, right down to the damnati in metallum who lived in concentration camp conditions mining and quarrying. As with the vilicus sometimes your job as a slave was to manage an estate and its slaves as a master unto your own. Its never a good thing but it does no one in history a service to paint it all with one brush.
If we can just blunt the edges a bit, maybe provide some escape via the red phrygian cap, we will have done the world a massive service.
Qarth should still be located in the Great Grass Sea. They never got their asses handed to them by the Sarnori. I'm assuming the Tall Men are around in some form though.
Are the Fisher Queens still around a larger Silver Sea?
Is Ifequevron still a major power, or are the Lorathi Maze Builders still a thing? Should we be looking out for Deep Ones on our coasts?
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Yes the fisher queens are around.
and I'd rather we not start slavery discussions. Kinda a subject I'm not the best at handling properly. I mean I can do it... just not as well as others.
edit: we can kill deep ones with a few dragons.
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[X]The Doom (102 BC): There are whispers that the Masters of the Freehold is trying to do something… Something terrible. You did not know what it was… But all you saw as you flew away… There was no time. There was only fear. And as the Fourteen Flames Exploded… there was only one thought on your mind. "Doom"
Let's clean up the slate and start a whole new empire.
Let's clean up the slate and start a whole new empire.
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The doom literally is the apocalypse for Essos.
with all that entails.
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[X]The Doom (102 BC): There are whispers that the Masters of the Freehold is trying to do something… Something terrible. You did not know what it was… But all you saw as you flew away… There was no time. There was only fear. And as the Fourteen Flames Exploded… there was only one thought on your mind. "Doom"
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[X]The Final Ghiscari War (2000 BC): The final great conflict of Valyrian and Ghis is at hand. The Slavers of The Ghiscari empire have finally forgotten their place among the states of the world, and have… forgotten that it is Valyria that rules this world… That Dragons' are greater than the Harpies.
Another reason to prefer post Doom, we won't have to deal with slavery.