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The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

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plotvitalnpc said:
It's interesting, because in canon the entire inner sphere spent the next few decades buying secondhand warship propulsion drives off of Comstar rather than building them themselves, and the limited throughput that was getting sold was the chief limitation on the number of hulls put to void.
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To be fair, that was before we apears with warship-sized ships, and accidentaled Hanse, and Comstar imploded a little, and new tech getting researched by the Great houses improving their economies and shipyards.

At the very least they have been looking into getting warships again for the past 15 years since we dabbed on the Directorate, the mandate, and pirates and showcases over Helghan publicly. So they have had more than of a head start to get warship production back and running.

After all if the reach is able to now get a Jumpship yard up, who's the say the great houses arent experiencing a similar expansion if not on a greater scale, but its just going unsaid.
 
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plotvitalnpc said:
We're the ones who built them that jumpship yard, I'm pretty sure?
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Ah got confused about this part then. Regardless
In similar news, the Aurigan Coalition has recently finished work on a brand-new Invader-class jumpship. Only just able to fit within the Coalition's new JumpShip yard, the vessel was announced on January 6th, sold to a Taurian manufacturing conglomerate on January 8th, and finished on November 11th. Joining the very short list of nations able to manufacture JumpShips from scratch, the Aurigan Coalition will no doubt benefit greatly from the infusion of C-Bills such sales will bring.
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Wait no, i know we built one for Rockwellawan, ourselves.....
prometheus110 said:
Aurigan Coalition
Begun almost a decade ago as part of the first major industrial project carried out by the newly reformed Aurigan Coalition, the expansion of Mechdur's shipyards to include a JumpShip construction slipway has finally been completed. Opened by High Lady Arano in a closed ceremony broadcast across the ORDI, the brand new construction facility includes the latest technologies available to the Aurigan Coalition and can construct jumpships massing as much as 150,000 tons. A first for the Periphery nation, the ability to construct JumpShips will undoubtedly solidify Mechdur's position as the Coalition's economic heartland and will no doubt see a great deal more C-Bills flow into the nation.

Not content with only having a single JumpShip slipway, the Aurigan Coalition has also announced a spate of expansions for its Mechdur shipyards, initial plans calling for two more 150,000-ton slipways and a single 300,000-ton slipway. Having gained valuable experience in EVA construction, not to mention having industrialised even further since construction started on the first slipway, the Aurigan Coalition estimates that the first of the three new slipways will be completed by 3046
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Okay yes they DID create Jumpyards on their own without out help beyond being partners in trade.
 
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Various minor civilian ship yards where create with help of your fund across different helghan systems the biggest is in mir that can make like 4 jumpships a year
 
Surprised that after all this time Comstar isn't putting a halt to all this technological advancement among the great houses. Then again with the recent schism they might just not have enough resources on hand to manufacture the wars needed to keep the Inner Sphere technological stasis. Or worse on our ends try to manufacture war crimes and scandals on Helghan Space.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
Surprised that after all this time Comstar isn't putting a halt to all this technological advancement among the great houses. Then again with the recent schism they might just not have enough resources on hand to manufacture the wars needed to keep the Inner Sphere technological stasis. Or worse on our ends try to manufacture war crimes and scandals on Helghan Space.
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With ROM probably turned into WoBblies... I don't know that the main branch has the Intel assets to do that anymore.
 
I think a bunch of their tricks are dependent on their ability to read the mail. And since we had a parcatice of never putting anything classified in comstar hands from day one their ability to screw with us is crippled. The best they can do is the constant currency manipulation against us.
 
Silversun17 said:
I think a bunch of their tricks are dependent on their ability to read the mail. And since we had a parcatice of never putting anything classified in comstar hands from day one their ability to screw with us is crippled. The best they can do is the constant currency manipulation against us.
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Oh yeah, the best they can do without reading the Mail is try to fund Catspaws to do the job for them.

The last time they tried that didn't work too well though.

Wind-Up Citrus said:
Surprised that after all this time Comstar isn't putting a halt to all this technological advancement among the great houses. Then again with the recent schism they might just not have enough resources on hand to manufacture the wars needed to keep the Inner Sphere technological stasis. Or worse on our ends try to manufacture war crimes and scandals on Helghan Space.
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ComStar wants to maintain a hostile balance of power in the Inner Sphere. They like the Great Houses fighting, but don't want any of them to get into a position of strength because if a Hegemon happens, then they suddenly become a potential rival for the Star League Reformation that all the Blakists want.

With ComStar schismed out right now, they don't have the capability to pull off Holy Shroud operations on every Great House, and if they only get some of them, the others could wind up as Hegemons, and thus Rivals.

The smart play then is to let them all develop tech to counter each other until the Schism ends and they can devote their full attention to pruning IS Tech again. . .
 
Forgothrax said:
With ROM probably turned into WoBblies... I don't know that the main branch has the Intel assets to do that anymore.
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Silversun17 said:
I think a bunch of their tricks are dependent on their ability to read the mail. And since we had a parcatice of never putting anything classified in comstar hands from day one their ability to screw with us is crippled. The best they can do is the constant currency manipulation against us.
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KnightofTempest said:
ComStar wants to maintain a hostile balance of power in the Inner Sphere. They like the Great Houses fighting, but don't want any of them to get into a position of strength because if a Hegemon happens, then they suddenly become a potential rival for the Star League Reformation that all the Blakists want.

With ComStar schismed out right now, they don't have the capability to pull off Holy Shroud operations on every Great House, and if they only get some of them, the others could wind up as Hegemons, and thus Rivals.

The smart play then is to let them all develop tech to counter each other until the Schism ends and they can devote their full attention to pruning IS Tech again. . .
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I guess in that case they'll be out of the picture for a very long time.
 
KnightofTempest said:
With ComStar schismed out right now, they don't have the capability to pull off Holy Shroud operations on every Great House
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Holy Shroud would be off the table even if Com* didn't schism , after of centuries of R&D people/facilities getting killed/burned down on such a large consistent scale that they were starting to backslide technologically , the great successor houses of the Inner sphere learned to back up their data , guard their R&D yards heavily and watch their researchers like hawks
 
mmgaballah said:
Holy Shroud would be off the table even if Com* didn't schism , after of centuries of R&D people/facilities getting killed/burned down on such a large consistent scale that they were starting to backslide technologically , the great successor houses of the Inner sphere learned to back up their data , guard their R&D yards heavily and watch their researchers like hawks
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And then their us who went and ensured every planet in the peheripy has a copy of the helm core. Just calcing the resources needed to bottle that Genie might have killed half of rom's leadership from horror.
 
So random idea to twist the narrative with the outback situation and make the fedsuns look bad if shit goes down. What if we publicly offer to provide materials for the fedsuns to improve quality if life on outback worlds but purposefully not provide anything that would boost them military.

However we purposefully make the agreement look good to most readers but have it piss off Morgan's father into publicly sinking the deal. We come off to the fedsun population as being the ones to offer peace only for Haske-Davion to spit in our and Morgan's face.
 
I'm not sure how we could pull that off. If the situation is annoying enough, the Suns might take us up on that deal just so they can put more of their own resources into the Draconis March. If that happens we're stuck building up the Fed Suns, and that's going to piss off the Taurians.
 
Silversun17 said:
So random idea to twist the narrative with the outback situation and make the fedsuns look bad if shit goes down. What if we publicly offer to provide materials for the fedsuns to improve quality if life on outback worlds but purposefully not provide anything that would boost them military.

However we purposefully make the agreement look good to most readers but have it piss off Morgan's father into publicly sinking the deal. We come off to the fedsun population as being the ones to offer peace only for Haske-Davion to spit in our and Morgan's face.
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that wouldn't work unless they were straight up stupid , first nations don't do stuff like that unless they are getting something out of it(this goes double in this setting) since politicians at home need to justify why resources and taxpayer money is being spent on another nation rather than them , second they would instantly be aware we are trying to undermine their authority and undercut their legitimacy because its that obvious and react accordingly
 
It also depends on what we want to happen. Instead, what I favour is a course of action designed to ensure that the FedSuns can readily be framed as the aggressors for the sakes of our population and the rest of the alliance.

Instead, maybe we could help the Taurians send "humanitarian aid" to the border worlds, humanitarian aid with the Taurian Bull stamped atop it incredibly prominently and frequently, and perhaps comes with pamphlets that the Taurians "forgot" to leave out, detailing the constitutional obligations Concordat worlds are entitled to in terms of services, with aid workers who just so happen to have aliases that work in the Taurian Ministry of Intelligence or the Republic Intelligence Service. Perhaps, later on as things escalate one or two pallets of SRM launchers get misplaced. Purely accidentally, of course, you know how these things happen.

Regardless, the specifics can come later—the idea is to send aid that is so incredibly obviously a political poison pill that only the truly desperate would accept, but in rejecting also frames the issue as the Taurians saying, "Well, we tried to help peacefully! The Fedrats are the ones being unreasonable!" while also furthering pro-Taurian sentiments. Taurian nationalism in the rimward Outback is astroturfed by the Taurians, but it's astroturf atop a barren, salted field: there aren't any alternatives growing in response.
 
Genolution said:
It also depends on what we want to happen. Instead, what I favour is a course of action designed to ensure that the FedSuns can readily be framed as the aggressors for the sakes of our population and the rest of the alliance.

Instead, maybe we could help the Taurians send "humanitarian aid" to the border worlds, humanitarian aid with the Taurian Bull stamped atop it incredibly prominently and frequently, and perhaps comes with pamphlets that the Taurians "forgot" to leave out, detailing the constitutional obligations Concordat worlds are entitled to in terms of services, with aid workers who just so happen to have aliases that work in the Taurian Ministry of Intelligence or the Republic Intelligence Service. Perhaps, later on as things escalate one or two pallets of SRM launchers get misplaced. Purely accidentally, of course, you know how these things happen.

Regardless, the specifics can come later—the idea is to send aid that is so incredibly obviously a political poison pill that only the truly desperate would accept, but in rejecting also frames the issue as the Taurians saying, "Well, we tried to help peacefully! The Fedrats are the ones being unreasonable!" while also furthering pro-Taurian sentiments. Taurian nationalism in the rimward Outback is astroturfed by the Taurians, but it's astroturf atop a barren, salted field: there aren't any alternatives growing in response.
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Should propose joint exercises, especially navy, when we propose this to TC. To combat pirates, ofc. Yes, pirates. Heavily armed, well equipped pirates that posses their own navy.
 
It is true humanitarian aid that also serves to undermine operations in different polities has been one of our main methods of absorbing states into our republic.
 
Genolution said:
It also depends on what we want to happen. Instead, what I favour is a course of action designed to ensure that the FedSuns can readily be framed as the aggressors for the sakes of our population and the rest of the alliance.
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In a broad sense, you've already got this thanks to Hasek going full Pinochet on the Taurian Outback. If, say, the Helghan media got reports leaked from sources within the Republic's intelligence services about how Mike Hasek is bringing back the Bad Ol' Days, that's almost certainly enough to justify intervention to the general public. The tricky part is keeping the intervention from escalating into all-out war between ORDI and the Fedrats. The best I think you can probably get short of nigh-miraculous rolls is to convince New Avalon to let the Capellan March twist in the wind when the inevitable hammer comes down. That, or do what the Taurians are doing and begin provocation operations in the rest of the Outback; if you start a general revolt across the Fed's entire periphery rim that pins down enough of the AFFS that you've got a shot of winning so long as Morgan feels compelled to keep most of his best units on the Combine border.
 
Mal-3 said:
In a broad sense, you've already got this thanks to Hasek going full Pinochet on the Taurian Outback. If, say, the Helghan media got reports leaked from sources within the Republic's intelligence services about how Mike Hasek is bringing back the Bad Ol' Days, that's almost certainly enough to justify intervention to the general public. The tricky part is keeping the intervention from escalating into all-out war between ORDI and the Fedrats. The best I think you can probably get short of nigh-miraculous rolls is to convince New Avalon to let the Capellan March twist in the wind when the inevitable hammer comes down. That, or do what the Taurians are doing and begin provocation operations in the rest of the Outback; if you start a general revolt across the Fed's entire periphery rim that pins down enough of the AFFS that you've got a shot of winning so long as Morgan feels compelled to keep most of his best units on the Combine border.
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If Morgan does send elite units at us we could have a noctis and Damascus escorted 5 divsion doom stack to hunt down any elite units.


Edit: I just had a different idea but its a bit bonkers, we reinforce the defense along the turian fed suns border to keep the fighting on fed sun worlds then we slip MAWLR, noctis and damsicus backed full army assult to blitz New Sitris and capture miachael hask davion. Morgan's mother gets an apology and is left alone.
 
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The thing is, the last thing Morgan wants right now is the Outback to explode, with swarms of Warships increasing the logistics and striking range of ORDI, while giving them space superiority and potentially raiding commerce in ways Pirates could only ever dream of... But waiting is somehow worse. The CC is only regaining strength, has a lot of clay it wants back, and could very well be a full member of ORDI within the decade. That's not to say the CC couldn't or wouldn't have interest into jumping in on that fight anyways, but it's a lot more uncertain in the current climate than it would be years down the road. Likewise with the Kuritans recovering from their losses and getting more technology and material from the C* schism. There's a very limited window where the Fedrats have a free hand to face the Periphery before they run the risk of a war on all fronts.

Michael is going to despise us for our own politics as well as the simple fact we're the CC's allies. And I'm not sure if Morgan and Michael are completely estranged here. I doubt we're looking at a mere border war here, not when the Taurians are going to chomp at the bit and Michael will immediately tar our actions as a Capellan plot.
 
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