The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[Nurgle]

Asgard

Dreadnought -4 points
Command Battleship- 1 point
45 Task Group (5 squadrons)- 45 points
50 fleet points

Army
25 Avernite PDF Corps 100 points
25 Guard army 200 points
20 Vangarian companies 20 points
10 Helltrooper corps 40 points
10 Power armor corps 40 points
400 points
Psykers

50 Battle Psyker Brigades 50 points
40 Psyker Choirs 40 points
1 Primaris Execution forces
91 points
total 541

Muselphiem

Dreadnought -4 points
Command Battleship- 1 point
25 Task Group (5 squadrons)- 25 points
30 total

Army
4 Helguard Corps 16 points
10 Avernite PDF Corps 40 points
10 Knight-Court 60 points
24 Knight-Court 24 points
20 Power Armored Grenadiers Corps 80
220 points

Psykers

50 Battle Psyker Brigades 50 points
40 Psyker Choirs 40 points
3 Alpha-Psykers, 5Primaris Execution forces
95 points

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ok here is what I am thinking I tried to balance out Asgard as I can and I went elite heavy on Muselphiem
Finish this out later IRL is busy for the next few hours but I am thinking of getting some blood dragon forces for the colonies to force Turoq to attack the core worlds. also I am thinking of getting the eldar warhost to attack when in orbit since we do have three different people to perma- kill turoq and that would help limit damage.

 

[Binge-Reader]

And that wasn't my point, my point is that this fight is going to be significantly harder than we anticipated and is only going to get harder if we don't pay the Eldar to deal with them.

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This argument started based on doubts about counting on the tech advantage. For all the hair splitting that's gone on at no point has our tech advantage been shown to be under threat of nullification, decrease sure but it's remained something we can and should reply and base plans around.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

This argument started based on doubts about counting on the tech advantage. For all the hair splitting that's gone on at no point has our tech advantage been shown to be under threat of nullification, decrease sure but it's remained something we can and should reply and base plans around.

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And we should then just ignore the fact that it has been significantly decreased already and is being decreased even now? That seems silly.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

getting some blood dragon forces for the colonies to force Turoq to attack the core worlds.

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Durin has simply said that if the sum of forces reinforcing Muspelheim and Asgard [EDIT] DOESN'T [/EDIT] exceed 500 points, then Turoq and his invasion force will not attack any worlds and simply act as reserves.

we do have three different people to perma- kill turoq and that would help limit damage.

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Three people? Who are the other two? We'd have to kill several people to influence the leadership of Atlas' and Chrone's forces.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Three people? Who are the other two? We'd have to kill several people to influence the leadership of Atlas' and Chrone's forces.

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If the first is Areatha, then the second is whoever has the BCS and Jane.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

Durin has simply said that if the sum of forces reinforcing Muspelheim and Asgard exceed 500 point, then Turoq and his invasion force will not attack any worlds and simply act as reserves.

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That's wrong.

If the combined deployment for Asgard and Muspelheim is under 500 then Turoq will not attack the colonies. While they cost the same amount buy the Avernite ground forces separately.

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[Adventwolf]

Durin has simply said that if the sum of forces reinforcing Muspelheim and Asgard exceed 500 point, then Turoq and his invasion force will not attack any worlds and simply act as reserves.

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Actually it's the opposite we need to have under 500 points in total. That way the colonies have enough forces so Toroq can't attack and will act as a reserve.

Three people? Who are the other two? We'd have to kill several people to influence the leadership of Atlas' and Chrone's forces.

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Jane can kill him with her skills and traits. Areatha or however her name is spelled has the raw power and control to kill him. Anyone with the BCS can kill him if they can win so probably Jacob.

 

[Binge-Reader]

And we should then just ignore the fact that it has been significantly decreased already and is being decreased even now? That seems silly.

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We aren't ignoring it at all we're just not panicking over it.

 

[Nurgle]

Ok than I will be busy later reworking some stuff than.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

We aren't ignoring it at all we're just not panicking over it.

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Fine, then if everything goes pear shaped over it I will be very distressed, because oh dear we're dead.

 

[AlsoSprachOdin]

Fine, then if everything goes pear shaped over it I will be very distressed, because oh dear we're dead.

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What is it again you want to do that the thread isn't already leaning towards?

 

[Doomed Wombat]

What is it again you want to do that the thread isn't already leaning towards?

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I don't even know anymore.

The fact that they've got a decent chunk of our tech reverse engineered already bare that in mind pliz I guess.

 

[Piren'e Colass]

I don't even know anymore.

The fact that they've got a decent chunk of our tech reverse engineered already bare that in mind pliz I guess.

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Wombat, it's fine. They have some of the basic stuff reverse engineered badly. When it goes out to the big 3 this is likely to happen anyway.

@Durin will the eldar give us local webway access for a major favour or is it too damaged?

If we can get this it's a complete game changer Vs Turok and the dark mech.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Wombat, it's fine. They have some of the basic stuff reverse engineered badly. When it goes out to the big 3 this is likely to happen anyway.

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Its not reverse engineered badly...or maybe it is and autocorrupt is hiding it. Even if it is though that's only a temporary state of affairs.

Either way no it is not fine. Now they've got their snouts in the trough they're never going to leave us alone and again, full military arsenal. We're not quite giving away everything to the other polities, but chaos has a free shot at all of it thanks to us (yes I know chaos doesn't work together unless really threatened...points at Void Dragon, Super nids, Destroyer, Level 4/5 waaarghs...that's far more likely than any of us want to admit.)

Also daemon possessed our stuff.

 

[Adventwolf]

Either way no it is not fine. Now they've got their snouts in the trough they're never going to leave us alone and again, full military arsenal. We're not quite giving away everything to the other polities, but chaos has a free shot at all of it thanks to us (yes I know chaos doesn't work together unless really threaterned...points at Void Dragon, Super nids, Destroyer, Level 4/5 waaarghs...that's far more likely than any of us want to admit.)

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Well we could get a way to wreck them so they can't come after us. Do we know if any other mechanicus worlds got this tech?

 

[Enjou]

@Durin, would you be so kind as to give us Rotbart's and other generals and admirals opinions on this deployment plan? It's hard to know if we're committing too much of one type or not enough or what have you.

Muspelheim
Generals: Admiral Freyr, Chapter Master Julius
Heroes: Master of Sanctity Horatius, Grandsmaster Aria, Jane Oakheart, Jacob Oakheart
Fleet - 30 points.
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 24 Task Groups - 24 points
Psykers - 100 points.
- 3 Primaris Execution Forces - 6 points
- 2 Alpha Psykers - 2 points
- 41 Psyker Choirs - 41 points
- 41 Battle Psyker Brigades - 41 points
Army - 220 points
-40 Varangian Guard Battle Companies - 40 points.
-Black Irons, 3 Helguard Corps, 18 Helltrooper Corps, 23 PAG Corps - 180 points.
Free Elites - Nulls and Voids, Fire Giants

Asgard
Generals: Governor Rotbart, General Schwarz, Governor-General Aelfic
Heroes: Grandmaster Xavier, Grandmaster Jameson, First Counciler Aryz
Fleet - 50 points
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 44 Task Groups - 44 points
Psykers - 61 points
- 1 Alpha Psyker (Ophelia) - 1 point
- 30 Psyker Choirs - 30 points
- 30 Battle Psyker Brigades - 30 points
Army - 399
-40 Guard Armies - 360 points
-6 Grenadier Corps - 12 points
-15 Varangian Guard Battle Companies - 15 points
-1 Helguard Corps, 2 Helltrooper Corps - 12 points
Free Elites: Phase-Tigers, Last Hunters

 

[HanEmpire]

@Durin is there any chance that the Dark Mech will resort to bombardment out of spite if they lose all the boarders?

 

[Durin]

@Durin if we do pick the Eldar Strike Force option would the chances of it succeeding be better if Turoq was raiding the colonises or just acting as the reserve?

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a bit better if he is raiding

@Durin :
1. Is it possible to get something from the Eldar -- a teacher, a set of techniques, focusing crystals, whatever -- that imporves the chances of our Psykers passing their Trials?
2. Could we get something like an early-warning system for rogue Psykers, to help mitigate the damage they cause?
3. Could we get something from them, whether techniques or some city additive, that gives us a better chance of finding Psykers before they go crazy?
4. What would these cost, favor-wise?

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no you cant

@Durin how does Ridcully compare in terms of power to renowned human psykers like Malcador?

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in power, terribly. he is just in the alpha range, Malcador was above that

The head capping might effect Toroq's forces but is much harder for the mechanicus forces. For the mechanicus we would need to wipe out the entire upper leadership and even then they are unlikely to fall into infighting.

@Durin
1. Is a write in for my plan to use a major favor instead of the minor favor to set up the defense during the war and later attack the aggressors with the Eldar and ork waaghs okay?

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1. it is possible and not stupid. Not saying any more then that as I am not a player.

@Durin
1. How long will Turoq be banished if he's killed in a non permanent way. A guess is fine, but I'd expect that Lin could give a ballpark figure
2. How limited is he while he's in the time out corner?
3. Would the Eldar be willing to swap lend some of their seers to run divination support for our two coreworld fights as part of a minor favor?
4. How would they stack up to Ravi Bianco or the Diviner/Deamonologist twins?

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1. between a year and a century,
2. has some control over his domain but cant deal with issues as well or fight in person
3. yes
4. far better

Wombat, it's fine. They have some of the basic stuff reverse engineered badly. When it goes out to the big 3 this is likely to happen anyway.

@Durin will the eldar give us local webway access for a major favour or is it too damaged?

If we can get this it's a complete game changer Vs Turok and the dark mech.

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its to damaged for you to use it much. They would allow you to send messengers or heroes through it though.

@Durin, would you be so kind as to give us Rotbart's and other generals and admirals opinions on this deployment plan? It's hard to know if we're committing too much of one type or not enough or what have you.

Muspelheim
Generals: Admiral Freyr, Chapter Master Julius
Heroes: Master of Sanctity Horatius, Grandsmaster Aria, Jane Oakheart, Jacob Oakheart
Fleet - 30 points.
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 24 Task Groups - 24 points
Psykers - 100 points.
- 3 Primaris Execution Forces - 6 points
- 2 Alpha Psykers - 2 points
- 41 Psyker Choirs - 41 points
- 41 Battle Psyker Brigades - 41 points
Army - 220 points
-40 Varangian Guard Battle Companies - 40 points.
-Black Irons, 3 Helguard Corps, 18 Helltrooper Corps, 23 PAG Corps - 180 points.
Free Elites - Nulls and Voids, Fire Giants

Asgard
Generals: Governor Rotbart, General Schwarz, Governor-General Aelfic
Heroes: Grandmaster Xavier, Grandmaster Jameson, First Counciler Aryz
Fleet - 50 points
- Dreadnought - 4 points
- 2 Command Battleships - 2 points
- 44 Task Groups - 44 points
Psykers - 61 points
- 1 Alpha Psyker (Ophelia) - 1 point
- 30 Psyker Choirs - 30 points
- 30 Battle Psyker Brigades - 30 points
Army - 399
-40 Guard Armies - 360 points
-6 Grenadier Corps - 12 points
-15 Varangian Guard Battle Companies - 15 points
-1 Helguard Corps, 2 Helltrooper Corps - 12 points
Free Elites: Phase-Tigers, Last Hunters

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no problems

@Durin is there any chance that the Dark Mech will resort to bombardment out of spite if they lose all the boarders?

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yes but the starforts are tough enough to prevent easy destruction

 

[Doomed Wombat]

its to damaged for you to use it much. They would allow you to send messengers or heroes through it though.

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@Durin
1. How big a favour for sending a single hero (hopefully not at all, but still).
2. Have the Eldar mentioned whether they have the ability to fix the ways?
3. If they do, are they or can they not spare either the time or expertise?

 

[Nurgle]

@Durin do we need to specify forces for the colonies?

 

[Durin]

@Durin
1. How big a favour for sending a single hero (hopefully not at all, but still).
2. Have the Eldar mentioned whether they have the ability to fix the ways?
3. If they do, are they or can they not spare either the time or expertise?

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1. it would more be a minor favour for letting your heroes use webway travel for a century
2. they do
3. they are at certain key locations but not in general. time and expertise are in catastrophically short supply

@Durin do we need to specify forces for the colonies?

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not unless you want something specific, otherwise they will be automatically generated from whats left

 

[Nurgle]

@Durin can we do anything to help with the webway?

 

[random_npc]

I would prefer to use the warhost, the reason Turoq is going all in is that we're are growing quickly. Even if he survives but loses his forces he won't be able to stand against us. Conversely, if we take damage that slows our growth by decades but end turoq we will still be vulnerable to other threats.

 

[guyfromtheplace1]

I'm having trouble finding the proposed plans, could anyone give me plan names to type into the search bar.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

@Durin can we do anything to help with the webway?

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Aside from giving additional support so their experts can spend time fixing it...probably not?

We've already done a lot by ensuring a population boom which will hopefully mean they can get more experts soon.

Unless the PM is willing to cough up a Webway DIY guide I don't think we can do much.