The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

[Doomed Wombat]

Gotta wonder about the pantheons of other galaxies. Gork/Mork equivalents are likely, given that the Mechanicus has identified ork signals from other galaxies. Their presence would likely drive the formation of a Khorne equivalent.

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I kinda hope that other galaxies ain't as screwed up as ours, as the impetus for chaos only really comes about due to the war in heaven turning the sea of souls into the warp.

Hopefully the rest should still be pristine.

 

[thamuzz]

I kinda hope that other galaxies ain't as screwed up as ours, as the impetus for chaos only really comes about due to the war in heaven turning the sea of souls into the warp.

Hopefully the rest should still be pristine.

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Well, the ones the Tyranids have visited should be.
I suspect that any galaxy that has had life for a sufficient length of time will develop some local turbulence, although the frequency of galaxies as fucked up as ours would be hopefully low.

 

[godofsmallthings]

Or maybe Vect has some sort of artefact from the Eldar Empire that was used to create Slaanesh. So it might have some sort of influence over her. That might explain how he is able to enforce his deals with Slaanesh.

 

[Briefvoice]

You know, the powers who are most able and motivated to stop the Vects deal are probably other chaos gods.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Well, the ones the Tyranids have visited should be.
I suspect that any galaxy that has had life for a sufficient length of time will develop some local turbulence, although the frequency of galaxies as fucked up as ours would be hopefully low.

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I hope so.

Maybe that can be the big last resort button, since we're rather close to the galactic edge, just build a giant generation ship and set sail for andromeda.

Or maybe Vect has some sort of artefact from the Eldar Empire that was used to create Slaanesh. So it might have some sort of influence over her. That might explain how he is able to enforce his deals with Slaanesh.

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eehhhh. The Eldar empire did not create Slaanesh.

I mean it did, but it wasn't an intentional thing.

It being Eldar is far from unlikely, but still.

You know, the powers who are most able and motivated to stop the Vects deal are probably other chaos gods.

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And it just erks me to death

 

[godofsmallthings]

The Eldar empire did not create Slaanesh.

I mean it did, but it wasn't an intentional thing.

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The Eldar Empire definitely did "create" Slaanesh. Whether they were doing it intentionally or were goaded into doing it by deamons of the dormant warp god is irrelevant. The point is that they did it and something from that process of murder-fucking a god into existence might still exist.

It being Eldar is far from unlikely, but still.

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??

 

[Doomed Wombat]

The Eldar Empire definitely did "create" Slaanesh. Whether they were doing it intentionally or were goaded into doing it by deamons of the dormant warp god is irrelevant. The point is that they did it and something from that process of murder-fucking a god into existence might still exist.

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Yeah they did.

They murder fucked.

They murder fucked for so hard and for so long that a kernal of the warp was created that was linked to their collective unconsciousness that grew and encourage them to murder fuck even harder, and as they did so it encouraged them to murder fuck it grew stronger so encouraged them to murder fuck harder in turn until it reached critical mass.

But, in no place was there ever any cognitive encouragement from either end, the Eldar didn't know Slaanesh was there until it awoke and Slaanesh wasn't sapient until it awoke as well.

So no I really don't think there's anything created specifically to fuck with Slaanesh, certainly nothing to help it in its creation...well nothing to specifically do it.

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Its still likely to be an Eldar artefact of some kind, they did make a lot of things after all, but it could also be an Old One artefact recovered from the Web way or some forgotten world of theirs.

 

[godofsmallthings]

Slaanesh wasn't sapient until it awoke as well.

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We can't say that for sure. Time isn't linear for warp gods. If Slaanesh exists now, then she existed in the past too.

For all we know, it was probably Slaanesh herself or one of her deamons that influenced the Eldar into their excess fueled fall.

So yes, Slaanesh could have influenced the Eldar into creating artefacts or corrupting existing ones to complete her birth.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

We can't say that for sure. Time isn't linear for warp gods. If Slaanesh exists now, then she existed in the past too.

For all we know, it was probably Slaanesh herself or one of her deamons that influenced the Eldar into their excess fueled fall.

So yes, Slaanesh could have influenced the Eldar into creating artefacts or corrupting existing ones to complete her birth.

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Sigh.

Ok.

First

They murder fucked for so hard and for so long that a kernal of the warp was created that was linked to their collective unconsciousness that grew and encourage them to murder fuck even harder, and as they did so it encouraged them to murder fuck it grew stronger so encouraged them to murder fuck harder in turn until it reached critical mass.

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Yes it was influencing them before it awoke. But, it wasn't making them create artefacts to assist its birth because they didn't know it existed. If they had they would have at worst enslaved it and at best been so pissed they'd have set their gods on the gestating existence.

Two while time is more fluid in the warp, it does not mean that the chaos Gods can actually do as much as you may think with this. The only one that actually takes advantage of time being non linear in the warp is explicitly Tzeench, which can see all of the past and present and occasionally fuck's around with it, but the others don't, because doing so is incredibly dangerous.

And third if it was an artefact connected to Slaanesh then it would be infinitly less likely to harm it.

Finally Eldar did make some crazy shit before it awoke like the reality engine found in the Fist of Demitrus, but that was just a play thing they created, not something to help Slaanesh.

 

[Dark as Silver]

Over two hundred years later five of them are still alive and have achieved a legendary reputation among the cavers.

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Yeah, I can imagine why.

The larger hordes will be aimed at what looks like the best defended cities, with the rest scattered.

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Best defended? Not most strategically important or economically vital?
We can work with this.

We need to warn the Empire of ashes about what Vect is going to do. So Ridicully one action should be a double down on contact before we have the council meeting.

That way we are not just contacting them about wanting to use the webway.

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I don't know if you're unbiased in this.
How do we know you're not just trying to ruin your rivals deal?

5. Pretty but not world ending

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Really?
Thats great, I was worried there but if the DE don't even have exterminatus weaponry why are we panicking?

 

[RogueInquisitor]

Best defended? Not most strategically important or economically vital?
We can work with this.

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Pretty typical Ork thinking, actually. In most cases, "best defended" and "strategically important" tend to have a huge amount of overlap, even if the reason an Ork will give is that it means "da biggest an' bestest fightin'."

 

[Red Bovine]

In regards to Vects deal don't think we can really do anything overt like send a massive army since that may just make him desperate and finish the deal ahead of schedule which may end up making things worse. The only way I see that has the best chance of succeeding is just sending the best assasins/stealth masters in the galaxy to kill Vect by sneaking into his fortress to kill him. Thing is I'm not sure how feasible that is, sure we can probably have Ridcully help but even then we don't know how much time until the deal is struck.

Though if we were to divine how long the deal could take we might be able to come up with a plan with the Empire of Ashes, Ridcully would be useful here, which could be more succesful if we realize depending on the resources they had then striking before like say a few months before the deal is made since it would be completed by then anyway without intervention so no point not to.

But again think it's highly unlikely to work unless some serious bullshit is involved.

 

[Gawain]

I wonder why no one is talking about the fact that we might possibly have a new god on our hands.

 

[thamuzz]

Make a Request- Areatha the Ancient Wanderer, one of the most powerful beings of Avernus barring the Great Ones has recently started living among the humans of Avenrus. While you can not commander you you could request her assistance in a matter, or for her to share some of the knowledge that she has gained over the twenty thousand years she has spent on Avernus.

Time: 1 year
Chance of Success: Varies

Cost: Free
Reward: Assistance or knowledge from Areatha

Complete
d100=18+13(Diplomacy)=31: Fail

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I find it amusing that we just keep rolling low with her.

We should attack Dark Eldar thought,Unlike other faction they actually the one faction that have number disadvantage.

Bring combine force and they maybe fleeing form their hideout.

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I'm not so sure that we (and by we I assume you mean "The Imperial Trust") outnumber Vect's domain.

I wonder why no one is talking about the fact that we might possibly have a new god on our hands.

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Eh, nothing we didn't already suspect.

 

[godofsmallthings]

Yes it was influencing them before it awoke. But, it wasn't making them create artefacts to assist its birth because they didn't know it existed. If they had they would have at worst enslaved it and at best been so pissed they'd have set their gods on the gestating existence.

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Why are you so hung up on whether the Eldar did it intentionally or not? How does it matter if the act was intentional or not ?

If Slaanesh can influence them even before it's birth then why can't it influence them to create or corrupt artefacts ?

Two while time is more fluid in the warp, it does not mean that the chaos Gods can actually do as much as you may think with this. The only one that actually takes advantage of time being non linear in the warp is explicitly Tzeench, which can see all of the past and present and occasionally fuck's around with it, but the others don't, because doing so is incredibly dangerous.

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I don't think the Warp gods really compute danger the way you do. Unless it's explicitly said that other gods can't do it, we have to assume that other gods too can and will do it.

 

[Red Bovine]

That's basically nothing as far as damage from chaos psykers goes. And here I thought that without the warp rifts sucking in psykers, we'd see (even more) massive casualties.

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Imagine that the reduced damage from chaos psykers in the most recent years is largely due to us creating an order comprised of battle psykers who specialize in specifically countering psyker powers.

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Pretty typical Ork thinking, actually. In most cases, "best defended" and "strategically important" tend to have a huge amount of overlap, even if the reason an Ork will give is that it means "da biggest an' bestest fightin'."

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Well he's heading for it thanks to Ridcully more than anything really.

I wonder why no one is talking about the fact that we might possibly have a new god on our hands.

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Who Ridcully?

We've known about that for ages.

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Why are you so hung up on whether the Eldar did it intentionally or not? How does it matter if the act was intentional or not ?

If Slaanesh can influence them even before it's birth then why can't it influence them to create or corrupt artefacts ?



I don't think the Warp gods really compute danger the way you do. Unless it's explicitly said that other gods can't do it, we have to assume that other gods too can and will do it.

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I'm hung up on it because if they didn't know about it why would they create an artifact to cause the birth of a god they don't know about.

And no it could influence them in a non sapient fashion, in essence make them more inclined to murder fuck, it wasn't sapient.

No they're perfectly cognisant of danger to their existence and will band together to ensure that danger does not come to pass Tzeench too strong smash, Emps to strong stop.

Time travel that could mean the circumstances for our existence never come to be hell no.

Even tzeench just uses information rather than altering of the past. Only one being actually alters the past in 40K and it isn't chaotic.

 

[Red Bovine]

Just remembered that we have Grey Knights on our world and we already have Space Marines. Anyone know what our current chances with working out Grey Knight Gene-seed are?

 

[godofsmallthings]

And no it could influence them in a non sapient fashion, in essence make them more inclined to murder fuck, it wasn't sapient.

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Sigh. What if it is an artefact that makes them more inclined to give into excesses ? Why can't Slaanesh influence them in a "non sapient way," as you put it, to create such artefacts?

They don't really have to be aware of the significance of such an artefact. They just have to create it.


Anyway, I am done with this pointless argument with you.

 

[ilbgar123]

Say, could we get Lin and/or Ridcully to investigate the mess with souls from regular births versus cloning? That seems like a good way to mitigate the problems with cloning. Pile would probably have killed for such information, if he hadn't already figured it out.

 

[DeusFerreus]

Just remembered that we have Grey Knights on our world and we already have Space Marines. Anyone know what our current chances with working out Grey Knight Gene-seed are?

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This has been discussed hundred times, and short answer is that it's not our wheelhouse. If/when attempt at making new Grey Knights happens it will be project started and ran by Inquisition and Varangian Guard, not us. Some Avernite psykers and/or Magi Biologis may be asked to assist when time comes, but currently all we can do is wait.

 

[Red Bovine]

This has been discussed hundred times, and short answer is that it's not our wheelhouse. If/when attempt at making new Grey Knights happens it will be project started and ran by Inquisition and Varangian Guard, not us. Some Avernite psykers and/or Magi Biologis may be asked to assist when time comes, but currently all we can do is wait.

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Well I don't remember anyone mentioning it for the last few months in thread with me only remembering it being talked about when we got them and the answer I remember was that our tech and knowledge was too low to do it and we didn't have Space Marines with the right knowledge at the time to help. Well it's been what nearly a hundred years since we had Space Marines join the Trust and for us to get vastly improved tech? Hence why I asked if we(the Trust in general) can or would be able to do it soon.

Also asking since it looks like Chaos is about to get a boost thanks to Vect.

 

[DeusFerreus]

Well I don't remember anyone mentioning it for the last few months in thread with me only remembering it being talked about when we got them and the answer I remember was that our tech and knowledge was too low to do it and we didn't have Space Marines with the right knowledge at the time to help. Well it's been what nearly a hundred years since we had Space Marines join the Trust and for us to get vastly improved tech? Hence why I asked if we(the Trust in general) can or would be able to do it soon.

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F.A.Q.
1. You can not make more Grey Knights until you figure out their gene-seed
2. you do not know anything about Grey Knights other then they are a squad of Space Marine Psykers used by the Inquisition
3. you will be able to start working on the grey Knights Genseed when I tell you you can, and not before. asking does not speed this up and may slow it down

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[Valkur]

I'd like that. I feel that Fredrick will need some personal love his life that can only filled by a special someone else. But I doubt the Questers want that.

Plus it might mkae Syr mad that we are replacing Freya (May she rest in peace).

 

[Doomed Wombat]

Sigh. What if it is an artefact that makes them more inclined to give into excesses ? Why can't Slaanesh influence them in a "non sapient way," as you put it, to create such artefacts?

They don't really have to be aware of the significance of such an artefact. They just have to create it.


Anyway, I am done with this pointless argument with you.

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Sigh.

Look I'm sorry to keep going for this, and so it will be my last thing. I will lay out my thoughts and why I think this.

My problem isn't that the Eldar created artefacts that aided in Slaanesh's conception, they did. The Reality Engine I mentioned is just one example.

The reason I'm being so picky about this is that you seem to be proposing that the Eldar Empire created an artefact that directly interacted with the nascent Chaos God and was directly involved in its birth. That I'm arguing is not the case.

Well I don't remember anyone mentioning it for the last few months in thread with me only remembering it being talked about when we got them and the answer I remember was that our tech and knowledge was too low to do it and we didn't have Space Marines with the right knowledge at the time to help. Well it's been what nearly a hundred years since we had Space Marines join the Trust and for us to get vastly improved tech? Hence why I asked if we(the Trust in general) can or would be able to do it soon.

Also asking since it looks like Chaos is about to get a boost thanks to Vect.

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Likely they can, but if they are we won't know until Maximal, Lin and Ridcully are conscripted to help for a few years.

The reason we don't talk about it is simple though

FAQ

3. you will be able to start working on the grey Knights Genseed when I tell you you can, and not before. asking does not speed this up and may slow it down

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And what @DeusFerreus posted above.

I'd like that. I feel that Fredrick will need some personal love his life that can only filled by a special someone else. But I doubt the Questers want that.

Plus it might mkae Syr mad that we are replacing Freya (May she rest in peace).

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Quite the opposite actually, we're too enthusiastic to get Rotbart to marry again, same with Syr,

To the point that Durin put these in the FAQ

Q: When will Rotbart have a chance to remarry
A: When I tell you he does, possibly never

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Q: When can she get married?
A: When their is a politically viable match

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Though Rotbart is very unlikely to get marrying again in character.