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Better to let the Eldar and the Krorks handle it.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Doomed Wombat
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Probably, but as I recall there was another one between Ulthwe and the Ordo Malleus that had a Wraithbone altar placed in an Inquisition fortress on one of Saturn's moons, which they could use to contact one another on major threats.
Or it makes them desperate.
Either way with the exception of Ridcully and the BCS there isn't much we can do to help. Best to leave this one to the Eldar and Krork.
@Durin
Small mistake, but I think that's meant to be Jotunheim
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- Australia
The Coven of Isha had a wraithbone chamber built in an Ordo Xenos base. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Coven of Isha?
Doomed Wombat
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It wouldn't surprise me if I were, though I'm certain it was with the Malleus.
Things progress well.
I look forward to seeing how our various units do in the kill/death ratio competition.
Also we should ask the Eldar if they would be willing to sneak a cyclonic torpedo onto Vect's planet. Impregnable fortress it might be but few defences survive having the planet blasted out from under them.
We really need to upgrade our militia. We keep sending our armies off and without them the wildlife is having a field-day snacking on our people.
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- Australia
Our militia is our entire civilian population. Upgrading them in any meaningful capacity would put a massive dent in our budget.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
on the warn the Eldar thing I should empathise that Vects polity is tough. There is a reason that despite being pretty close to the top of the Empire of Ashes kill list from its beginning it has been prospering and that is the fact that he has more Eldar then the entire Empire of Ashes, and is using some very advanced technology while operating from what the Eldar Empire considered a fortress. and remember that craftworlds were merchantmen. Also Vect himself is a formidable opponent in pretty much every way, otherwise he would not have been able to rule one of the most advanced and treacherous species in the galaxy for around ten thousand years
Doomed Wombat
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Of course which leads to a few questions
@Durin
1. Does Ridcully think he can find weaknesses in his fortresses defences? As far as I can tell he is the best for the job with his skill set?
2. From what he has seen of them does Ridcully think the Krork and Yinnari could breach Vect's fortress without causing themselves massive damage?
3. What kind of artefact did Vect dig up to ensure a God of Chaos would follow an agreement?
4. What kind of price is Vect hoping to extract?
5. How bad is chaos getting a proper hold of chaos tech?
6. How big a power boost would Slaanesh get?
7. How have our Avernites (especially the Sirens and Sphinx) reacted to this news?
8. Does the Trust properly understand how serious this is. The phrase Chaos with Dark Eldar weapons should help hammer the point home to those who were on Fyjol?
9. How likely is it that the Yinnari already know this is going on and have decided not to push Vect?
RogueInquisitor
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Honestly, Vect sounds like a problem the Necrons would be best able to solve. The only problems relate to communicating this to them, and whether the Necrons can afford to divert the forces needed to crack that fortress from keeping the Tyranids at bay. The only other option could be to try to kill or weaken the various threats that are driving him to make this deal in the first place, but beyond the military problem of beating foes that are on the verge of toppling the biggest Eldar nation left, it won't be easy to get anyone eager to commit significant forces to save Vect.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
1. Maybe
2. Unknown but they could not do it fast, and if pressed who knows what type of deal he will make
3, unknown
4, unknown
5. Pretty but not world ending
6. Enough to take it from the bottom of the five to the top Two
7. Not at all
8. Yes
9. Pretty
Doomed Wombat
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Yeah, very little we can do beyond point him out to the people who might be able to do something.
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- Asia
I think Vect is going to ask for daemon princehood for himself and his subordinates. He probably has some tech to keep him anchored to the materium.
Doomed Wombat
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It'd have to be a big Daemonhood.
Like seriously I could see Slaanesh putting him above Fulgrim, he's offering basically to turn Slaanesh from the weakest of the five to a proper rival to Khorne with a single deal.
So yeah, ascension while likely...I doubt it.
It looses Vect far too much control over his own fate and destiny as it would bind him to his uplifter. No with what he's offering and with a means of ensuring compliance I get the feeling he's asking for something much much bigger. If he wasn't then the deal would have been sealed and done, it wouldn't need negotiation let alone apparently personal attention from Slaanesh.
RogueInquisitor
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The other option could be to convince Vect throwing in with Chaos isn't necessary. He's only courting The Dark Prince now because he doesn't think his forces can hold out against the many foes arrayed against him. If he no longer feared being overrun, he'd probably abandon the negotiations and go back to business as usual.
Given his artifact, I could see him getting a deal where he gets an ascension that lets him keep a greater amount of his agency. Then again, there would still be disadvantages to becoming a Warp entity.
Doomed Wombat
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I suppose, but good luck convincing him that.
He's paranoid beyond all belief and I don't think there's any way we can convince him that he isn't in as much danger as he thinks he is.
The Yinnari already wanted his head on a platter before this, if the Krork didn't before (and they likely did) then they will after this, the Orks are no longer just the irritant of the galaxy and Abbadon isn't going away.
Throw in the fact that he's trapped in a fortress rather than an unassailable pocket dimension with no real way of fleeing as his enemies will track him to the edges of the galaxy, while abandoning it entirely is now impossible thanks to the War in the Void, its fair to say that a man who built an empire on paranoia and forward planning is looking at his options and thinking shit.
Also the question of how do we talk with the nutter
True.
Honestly I could almost see him asking for Slaanesh to use an unbelievable amount of power to teleport him and some of his cohorts to another galaxy entirely, but I dunno if that's possible.
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- Asia
Maybe if he gets enough of his subordinates in as Deamon Princes, he might be able to influence Slaanesh herself. After all , she was the until recently the youngest god. So she might be more susceptible to such change.
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
Eldar are well known for their Farseers, but what about their generals? We've got a Paragon General who's trait allows him to perfectly optimize his force to counter his enemy, combined with a Diviner who cannot be predicted and who can see no barriers.
RogueInquisitor
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Beyond getting his number, it may be easier than you think. Vect almost certainly doesn't want to throw in with Chaos. This is a desperation play, trying to get as good a deal as possible before one of his many enemies finally storm his fortress and are free to dictate terms rather than negotiate. If given a path that didn't require he bend the knee (and the Dark Prince isn't going to let him be anything other than its subordinate) I think he'd take it. He can always try to sign up with Chaos later if things take a sudden turn for the worse, as he's still got enough to offer to change the rankings among the Five, and I doubt any of them are willing to allow their rivals secure that kind of power uncontested.I suppose, but good luck convincing him that.
He's paranoid beyond all belief and I don't think there's any way we can convince him that he isn't in as much danger as he thinks he is.
The Yinnari already wanted his head on a platter before this, if the Krork didn't before (and they likely did) then they will after this, the Orks are no longer just the irritant of the galaxy and Abbadon isn't going away.
Throw in the fact that he's trapped in a fortress rather than an unassailable pocket dimension with no real way of fleeing as his enemies will track him to the edges of the galaxy, while abandoning it entirely is now impossible thanks to the War in the Void, its fair to say that a man who built an empire on paranoia and forward planning is looking at his options and thinking shit.
Also the question of how do we talk with the nutter
WinterLantern
Smoked bird
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Slaanesh may be 'young' but you'd need a loooooot of Daemon Princes for that to work. Slaanesh is still a primal God
Likely not possible. I don't think the Chaos Gods have any power outside of the Milky Way Galaxy. Too much empty, dead, emotionless space between galaxies for their reach in the Warp to get elsewhere.
Doomed Wombat
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Their Exarch's when not suffering from extreme pride are very good...+ Phoenix Lords.
That doesn't matter if nobody can convince him that there is another option, or at least one he can agree with.
Me thinks you quoted the wrong person, and yeah probably.
But, it would be an interesting thing to ask for.
Gotta wonder about the pantheons of other galaxies. Gork/Mork equivalents are likely, given that the Mechanicus has identified ork signals from other galaxies. Their presence would likely drive the formation of a Khorne equivalent.