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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
- Location
- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
It's bit of unclear wording from Durin. We "caught" those 8 million cultist in a sense that we detected and neutralized them. Only about half of that was live captures.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
Huh. I wonder if you can use beergrass to make bread? Does the bread get you drunk if you do?
The spreadsheet linked on the Astra Telepathica datasheet says we've got a bit over 50k, but isn't updated for T106 I believe. Presumably we didn't actually capture all 8,000,000, because we never actually capture every cultist we find. IIRC it's somewhere around 40% usually.
A88 and B88. Souls for Trade: 50,713
Before the invasion we had maybe a 1,000. So lets see what Durin wrote:
So the 8,000,000 roughly translate into 50,000 trade points.
One hundredth is 80,000. So the capeture rate is between 2/3 and 1/2.
Last turns cultist numbered 300,000 at 1/10 the price.
30,000 translate roughly to a number between 15k and 20k.
That is not enough for any of the two combunation runes. The real question is if we save for one of them or buy the cheaper ones?
HanEmpire
Delicious
Buy the cheaper ones I say, at the very least the elemental ones. As it is we don't really have combinations to make.
Saving will take too long to get them, and without runes to actually combine there's not much point in it. We're better off buying a number of the lest costly runes.
These two are IMO the most important to buy right now...
25,000 Souls- Rune of Warding- Allows Wards to be created
5,000 Souls- Rune of Focus- Makes item a better psychic focus
Better wards are one of the entire reasons we wanted to get access to Runes in the first place. The Rune of Focus will help our psykers pretty much universally.
These are the ones I'd consider getting after that...
15,000 Souls- Trap Rune- Allows offensive Wards to be created
15,000 Souls- Rune of Enchanting- Allows other Rune sot be more effectively added to item
6,000 Souls- Rune of Protection- Allows shield to protect against Psychic Powers
8,000 Souls- Rune of Power- Allows item to store Warp energy for later use
The Trap Rune is particularly interesting, because it'll make any attempt to get past our wards have consequences for the people who try attempting it, and what's more I don't know of any other faction that has wards that do that kind of thing, so it'd be a unique advantage. Enchanting would also be good, because it'd allow any items we make with runes to be better. Protection and Power would both have some interesting uses, too.
The elemental runes are the easier ones to pay for without us needing an Chaos invasion or a daemonic incursion to save up to get them. IMO we want at least two of the more moderately expensive ones (15k-25k cost), if not all three, and then one or two other runes, preferably focused on utility.
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- madison
I second this. we'd want a decent understanding of runes before we start playing with combining them. That means a big pile of understood runes, so getting the combination ones after mastering the basic ones makes sense.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Then let's get some combination of the Defence & Enchanting Runes to boost our psykers' survivability.
-Rune of Protection (6k)
-Rune of Warding (25k)
-Rune of Enchanting (15k)
-Rune of Focus (5k)
These are my picks.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Pretty sure chaos has things like it, but it relies on Daemons and the like.
Though of course it depends on how "trap" works.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
@Durin
1. What exactly is involved in the trade deal? Trade of alkhestrical components for the final products, or trade of tech. For instance us trading the equivilant of tech levels 1-2 in exchange for them educating our psykers on how to do our own Alkhestry? Or wait and see?
2. Does Lulana know of any Alkhestrical stuff that produces permanent physical boosts with out negative side effects? Bit of a pipe dream I know, but one can hope?
3. Has Lulana expressed any interest in meeting with the Mycenids? They're far enough away that I doubt the two species would ahve interacted much and the Mycenids probably could provide a lot of compounds for the Nynye.
4. Can we do a person's of interest on Lulana?
1. What exactly is involved in the trade deal? Trade of alkhestrical components for the final products, or trade of tech. For instance us trading the equivilant of tech levels 1-2 in exchange for them educating our psykers on how to do our own Alkhestry? Or wait and see?
2. Does Lulana know of any Alkhestrical stuff that produces permanent physical boosts with out negative side effects? Bit of a pipe dream I know, but one can hope?
3. Has Lulana expressed any interest in meeting with the Mycenids? They're far enough away that I doubt the two species would ahve interacted much and the Mycenids probably could provide a lot of compounds for the Nynye.
4. Can we do a person's of interest on Lulana?
- Location
- Australia
I think you need the Rune of Connection to make the Trap Rune affect the Ward Rune in such a way.
@Enjou @HanEmpire hey guys can I convince you guys to mentor the alpha pysker? He will need a lot of help so maybe put all of Aria actions on that.
HanEmpire
Delicious
- Location
- United states
Still say that it makes no sense to put off making the order of psyker hunters considering that we have been heavily investing into battling psykers throughout the entire quest and we are going to do it anyway so doing it as soon as possible just seems like common sense since everything else can be put off and it only takes 6 in game years which is just one turn. Not to mention that Aria is pretty much the person most suited for making the order considering her skill sets make the most qualified considering that the order is made specifically to counter psykers.
Seriously, literally most of our battle psykers are killed constantly by rogue psykers. Switching out a third of our current battle psykers with psykers made specifically to counter them seems like it would save a ton of lives including psykers.
Seriously, literally most of our battle psykers are killed constantly by rogue psykers. Switching out a third of our current battle psykers with psykers made specifically to counter them seems like it would save a ton of lives including psykers.
The description says that they allow offensive wards to be created. I'm pretty sure that wards tend to involve multiple things by default, layering various protections, so you might just need to make a layer of one type followed by another type.
My draft which is a variant on Enjou's - as is traditional
The main difference is putting in some support for Pavol Pabst because Alpha psykers are so dam useful.
I've also delayed one of the shipyards to do a RC BC feasibility study and swapped vortex grenades for the far more useful very advanced stable reactors.
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Implement (Fellblade): Planning
-Y4: Implement (Testudo-class Guardian Tank): Planning
As Enjou
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Construct: Repairs: Second Step
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Design Study: Ragnarok Battlecruiser
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5
I won't be unhappy with a second large shipyard but thinking ahead to the next WAAAGH! it seems to me desirable to have a lot of these and I want to know if the navy agrees so they can get designed and built if so.
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Repair Workshops
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
Yup.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Areatha: Open Pass
-Y4: Trade Talks (Nynye)
-Y5: Sirens Trade (<TBD>)
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
SLOT B - Year 4
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
AdMech
SLOT A - Year 1 (Explorator)
-Y1: Goliath Factory Ship Redesign
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y4: Very Advanced Reactors: Stable
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
-Y5: Gravatic Array: Computing Issues
SLOT B - Year 3 (Biologis)
-Y3: Complete Examination (Psyrodactyls)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Repair the Well of Urd
Get the Goliath redesigned, DD to crit. OK. Not only do we want to send out an explorator fleet in the next 30 years, we're also about to have a wave of colonisations.
I don't much rate vortex grenades. The reactor we'll see in use all over the place. I left in the DD in hope of an ease of refit crit. I was tempted to go straight for the titan tree before the computing issues in hope that the MIU work would give insight into the problem but the timescale is too long - I'd rather fit the 3 years for this in now. Next turn titans.
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: What is an Archetype?
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: Those in the Shadows
Alpha approaching trials
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Massed Songweavers
SLOT B - Year 1 (Aria)
-Y1: Mentor (Alpha)
-Y2: Psychic Materials (Blink Spiders)
-Y3: Mentor (Alpha)
-Y4: Research (Spiderbane Dragonfly)
-Y5: Valinor Campaign: Support
Subbed in some Alpha tutoring
Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aria)
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aria)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Thaddeus Expertise: Expand (Limberlost) to Small Hive
No change
The main difference is putting in some support for Pavol Pabst because Alpha psykers are so dam useful.
I've also delayed one of the shipyards to do a RC BC feasibility study and swapped vortex grenades for the far more useful very advanced stable reactors.
Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Implement (Fellblade): Planning
-Y4: Implement (Testudo-class Guardian Tank): Planning
As Enjou
Void Command
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Construct: Repairs: Second Step
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Design Study: Ragnarok Battlecruiser
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5
I won't be unhappy with a second large shipyard but thinking ahead to the next WAAAGH! it seems to me desirable to have a lot of these and I want to know if the navy agrees so they can get designed and built if so.
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Repair Workshops
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
Yup.
Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Areatha: Open Pass
-Y4: Trade Talks (Nynye)
-Y5: Sirens Trade (<TBD>)
Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
SLOT B - Year 4
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
AdMech
SLOT A - Year 1 (Explorator)
-Y1: Goliath Factory Ship Redesign
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y4: Very Advanced Reactors: Stable
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
-Y5: Gravatic Array: Computing Issues
SLOT B - Year 3 (Biologis)
-Y3: Complete Examination (Psyrodactyls)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Repair the Well of Urd
Get the Goliath redesigned, DD to crit. OK. Not only do we want to send out an explorator fleet in the next 30 years, we're also about to have a wave of colonisations.
I don't much rate vortex grenades. The reactor we'll see in use all over the place. I left in the DD in hope of an ease of refit crit. I was tempted to go straight for the titan tree before the computing issues in hope that the MIU work would give insight into the problem but the timescale is too long - I'd rather fit the 3 years for this in now. Next turn titans.
Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: What is an Archetype?
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: Those in the Shadows
Alpha approaching trials
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Massed Songweavers
SLOT B - Year 1 (Aria)
-Y1: Mentor (Alpha)
-Y2: Psychic Materials (Blink Spiders)
-Y3: Mentor (Alpha)
-Y4: Research (Spiderbane Dragonfly)
-Y5: Valinor Campaign: Support
Subbed in some Alpha tutoring
Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aria)
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Aria)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Thaddeus Expertise: Expand (Limberlost) to Small Hive
No change
There's no Alpha in the line up this turn, I believe. Next turn should have one though.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Unfortunately the reactor still pisses off the conservatives.
Not saying don't go for it, just bare it in mind.
That being said though the grenades are valuable, they're basically the most powerful weapons of their size we have. Perfect for warboss assassinations.
There is a alpha in the line up and he needs help. It says so in the update.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Kinda.
There is an alpha with trials coming, but the problem is that the sheet hasn't been updated so we don't know if its this turn or next turn. Its warning us that one's coming up soon either way.
Also this will be our first male alpha.
I think the mentoring will still help though, and Those in the Shadows is always good value for an extra gamma or beta.
While they remember how hard the last WAAAGH was is the best time to push this stuff through. We're still enjoying the stability boost from Tranth's last explorations too.
edit: We're not short of warboss killers.
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Actually we blew Tranth's expidition good will on Sanctus Foreum.
The main issue is that we've no idea what state the conservative faction is in at the moment.
And in battle sure.
For assassinations which we will probably need to keep the orks from mobilising, not as many.
Also should we get the other luna ruin before we send Tranth off?
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