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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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there is that option to look into disruptive resonance for chaos, I would not be conformable doing that without Lin around.
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First off Lin has been living on Avernus which is a place where literally everyone is used to things constantly trying to kill them. Second the issue with Lin is that his soul is burning out and if it wasn't for that he would have the same life expectancy as everyone else in the Trust. Third the main reason no one in the Trust has tried to fix Lin's issue is that no one there has the right knowledge to even begin to know what to do.
Hence why I suggested asking the Wanderer if she maybe ran into any methods that look like they would actually help. I mean Lin is going to die eventually but not really seeing why we shouldn't even ask(I'd assume that the Trust has looked into it but didn't find anything) when we have access to someone that seems like they may know something about it.
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Well we do have some knowledge...its just that knowledge is that as, Sargent Johnson would have put it, we need DIVINE INTERVENTION!
Now she does add some new options. She is a Transcendent of control with a vast amount of powers and experience. If she doesn't have the ability to do it herself, she does probably know someone who can help.
However, if she can do anything its likely it would only be an extension, rather than fully curing him to grant a full Trust life span.
Its also very likely that Durin's position holds and DIVINE INTERVENTION is our only real recourse.
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I don't think it would help if we asked the Wanderer, given that she's not a god and likely doesn't know of any gods that can help, but I would appreciate people asking in-universe if she does know something that can help on the off chance she does. It's something that they would IC do and be interested in, even if OOC I know it won't result in anything.
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Eh...its Avernus and she has met some of the next best things on it.
Though that does raise an interesting question...when do "Gods" become "Gods?"
Ynnead is a god and has 70s in stats, but so does Chaos who are significantly more powerful.
Chaos also has 80s in areas of speciality, so is that the big difference? Or would chaos just have a bigger power stat?
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When they get a conceptual domain.
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So do the gods in the Random_NPC's omake as far as I can tell and they're far from D listers.
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What are you saying?
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Well if its having a domain that qualifies one for Godhood then the rather minor (as far as I can tell) Vectron
Qhu'zrak
and Zahak
All seem to qualify as they do possess them even if we're a bit unsure as to the specifics.
Yet somehow I doubt that they could cure Lin.
I guess the meat of the question is what separates god tiers.
When Ridcully was healed he remarked that the workings of even minor gods (what Lin was doing) were impossibly complex and even beautiful.
So do all gods have 70 in at least one stat regardless of their power? Is their ranking determined by power alone rather than their actual ability to manipulate their power?
Is Zahak as skilled as Khorne, simply lacking in as readily available power?
Or more likely I am really over thinking this...
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I'm all for treating Lin as a person instead of a strategic asset. If we stumble across a way of extending his life at no cost to him (either in morality or quality of life) I'd certainly be down with expending some real resources to get it for him, sure, but for the most part the ideas people are throwing around are fairly horrifying even if they would work as intended.
As far as the research/investigation he can do goes, I'd expect that so long as we get all of the truly fundamental stuff done while he's alive, as well as the corruptive, his successors will probably be able to figure the rest out in time. With enough double actions and double downs it might not actually take too long to get through the current list, even—especially if there ends up being some synergy from research of fundamental topics before specifics.
Finally, given Lin's talents and the large pool of people he has to draw from, I would expect his eventual successor to be extremely competent. One of Lin's largest focuses in the reform process has been on improving the quality and number of priests, as well as creating an organization that doesn't need him to thrive, after all.
As far as the research/investigation he can do goes, I'd expect that so long as we get all of the truly fundamental stuff done while he's alive, as well as the corruptive, his successors will probably be able to figure the rest out in time. With enough double actions and double downs it might not actually take too long to get through the current list, even—especially if there ends up being some synergy from research of fundamental topics before specifics.
Finally, given Lin's talents and the large pool of people he has to draw from, I would expect his eventual successor to be extremely competent. One of Lin's largest focuses in the reform process has been on improving the quality and number of priests, as well as creating an organization that doesn't need him to thrive, after all.
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Do you mean the Statis pod? Cause that's the most horrifying thing ATM. The others are very wavy wavy ohh powerful entity might kinda things.
As for the research and investigations...well thing is ATM I do not know if our ability to do those actions is tied to Lin's nature as a Saint. Not just his resistance to corruption, but also just the extra sense he's got from it.
But, yeah he does have a large pool of potential successors lined up. I think he's said he has about half a dozen last time. Though it will be tricky when he dies either way.
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The Sanguinor might be able to help, assuming its still around. It probably has the same basis for its powers anyway.
Ok if we can get away from our usual talking points of warp entities, Saint Lin and stuff we cannot do to talk about things we actually need too.
1 what are we going to do about the Central bank? Expand its poweres, allow more members, change its responsibilities and operating procedures? We need ideas people.
2 sub sector governors? Are we going to implement them? What power and responsibilities will they have? Will we hve one? Because I do not see anyone voting to have someone else have power over Avernus.
3 our asking permission to contact the Eldar to use the webway? What will we offer, what can we offer. If we get access what polities will we contact? How much technology will we give out? What else will we trade? The demon ruin would help a lot of people. Will we send Saint Lin out to save the souls of humans or will we try to have him heal Gillimen?
I want to discuss these now so we won't spend weeks arguing about asine stuff like voting rights.
1 what are we going to do about the Central bank? Expand its poweres, allow more members, change its responsibilities and operating procedures? We need ideas people.
2 sub sector governors? Are we going to implement them? What power and responsibilities will they have? Will we hve one? Because I do not see anyone voting to have someone else have power over Avernus.
3 our asking permission to contact the Eldar to use the webway? What will we offer, what can we offer. If we get access what polities will we contact? How much technology will we give out? What else will we trade? The demon ruin would help a lot of people. Will we send Saint Lin out to save the souls of humans or will we try to have him heal Gillimen?
I want to discuss these now so we won't spend weeks arguing about asine stuff like voting rights.
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1. Kinda my fault this one? I know nothing about economics, but I'm assuming the issue cannot be solved as simply as removing the core worlds 70% monopoly, but as far as I can tell that's the main things that need to happen are making sure that the 30+ colonies can have more than 30% of the bank.
2. I have actually thought about this. I do think we need de centralisation to an extent, but I am not comfortable giving power to one person. So my plan is to have a system similar to what we have in the core. Every so often the govenors of the subsector's planets meet up on the subsector capital to discuss matters pertaining to their subsector. We lay out certain rules about what they can do without any looking at from above. If they need to they can kick up issues to the low council and if needed the high one. For the smaller every day runnings of the subsector a mini low council would also be created?
3. What can we offer to get access to the Webway in the first place? That's the main issue, until we solve that one its all hypothetical though I do have one option that might work. Still at a minimum I believe we can offer what we gave the blood dragons. Anything above that should be decided on a case by case basis. And yeah Banishment and the easier soul killing flames I hope to spread far and wide. Piss the **** out of chaos
. As for polities.1. Vulkan's Imperium if verified as safe
2. Ultramar
3. Blood Angels.
Those are the ones we know about who should be good.
If we can scry them potential others are
1. Forge Realms such as Callamus (no just inspired by that one not the same)/Ryza ect.
2. Another Primarch like Jaghati reestablishing themselves.
A final potential is the much much closer Exorcists. If they're alive then I really want to get a hold of some of their gene seed and knowledge which should be much easier as we have their progenitors.
Thanks @Andres110
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He got stabbed in the neck by the Anathame dude.
Again DIVINE INTERVENTION (say it in Sargent Johnson's voice
) is basically the only way to save him now.And by DIVINE INTERVENTION I mean it took all four to save Horus's life when he got nicked with the thing.
Gulliman was stabbed in the neck.
Well she does have access to divine like beings on Avernus. She has to know someone.He got stabbed in the neck by the Anathame dude.
Again DIVINE INTERVENTION (say it in Sargent Johnson's voice
And by DIVINE INTERVENTION I mean it took all four to save Horus's life when he got nicked with the thing.
Gulliman was stabbed in the neck.
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Shrug.
It wouldn't surprise me, but at the same time...what counts as "divine" enough.
She's "met" Great Ones, but to our knowledge they are apex psykers and are sure as hell not leaving Avernus and its not like we can move him (I think).
There might be warp entities that have naturally or unnaturally formed, but as I was wondering up top, what separates gods from one another and my general idea is basically power.
And again Anathame took the combined efforts of the 4 to heal Horus from. From a nick. The thing is nasty.
And of course there's the movement problem.
Of course there's always the Planet Mind if she knows how to contact it...but well...again how to get him here. We can't exactly put him on a truck...now there's a funny image
Same things that happen in real life. The richer would have control and seek to keep control while not allowing others to join in. We would not even be in the top five. Muspheliem would be at the top followed by Midguard and go down the line by population and tech. So Avernus would be either 6 or 7. Most likely 6
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For the central bank I think we should lower the core worlds ownership to 40 percent allow the colonies to buy up say 30 percent and float the rest. Also consider changing the focus of the bank. While also defense spending also include subsidies industry, and education centers. Now these will be a problem because long term we will want to take both industry and education out of there the Admech hands. The conservative Admech would be against these. I want to start laying the ground work for a more educated populous. Since a more educated populous would be better able to resist chaos and have higher living standards and lower crime standards.
I think we need some form of subsector government or more centralized government. We should not have to keep meeting for every long term campaign and plan out what is going to happen. We should have met And just invaded. or just getting the worlds to work even more closely than we do now. At least three of the other world have secrets that we need to know, like the techs they do not want to share. Also what happens if the core worlds get in another warp storm what happens to the colonies.
As for the Eldar we can be a big help since we can trade STC to human polities are more likely to accept help from the trust than a filthy xeno. We need to sit down Marcelen and find out if she knows anyone who can help.
I think we need some form of subsector government or more centralized government. We should not have to keep meeting for every long term campaign and plan out what is going to happen. We should have met And just invaded. or just getting the worlds to work even more closely than we do now. At least three of the other world have secrets that we need to know, like the techs they do not want to share. Also what happens if the core worlds get in another warp storm what happens to the colonies.
As for the Eldar we can be a big help since we can trade STC to human polities are more likely to accept help from the trust than a filthy xeno. We need to sit down Marcelen and find out if she knows anyone who can help.
The Admech conservative are still old imperium conservative and our regular trust would be consider progressive because they educate their populace and don't active hunt them.