The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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That doesn't mean we should let them land freely. It makes even more sense then to save our aircraft for titans because they will have such a strong screen.
I never said we should, only that hitting them would be hard, especially in a plane.

You are overestimating the strength of drop pods. Drop pods can and have been targeted successfully by forces that don't have powerful seers to take advantage of.

The Marines counter this by spamming decoy pods. If we do save our aircraft for the SM we can overwhelm them even if they use decoys.
Most of the examples I can think of them being hit are from ground based AA defences firing shit tonnes of shots into the air, not by air craft.

They can hit em, the planes I find it more likely the drop pod will hit it and go right through.

+ We have a great diviner so hitting the pods with marines in em will be much easier then, we also have AA guns that are powerful enough to take out the pods in a single hit.
 
I originally asked if we could use Ridcully to hit drop pods, but on thinking about it I don't think we should use him for that. If our advanced targeting systems aren't enough, we have other diviners of very high skill that can target those drop pods. Instead, I think it's more important to use Ridcully to locate enemy Assassins and set up keikakus to eliminate them.
 
@Durin
  1. What would a Abomination Space Marine sorcerer lord be called, a High Chaplain, Chief Librarian, or a combination of the two?
  2. Given how much the Abomination likes mind control how likely are they to try and control some of the wild life to attack us?
  3. If yes on a scale of one to retroactively erased how mad would the planet mind be over chaos forces controlling some of its wildlife?
 
I never said we should, only that hitting them would be hard, especially in a plane.


Most of the examples I can think of them being hit are from ground based AA defences firing shit tonnes of shots into the air, not by air craft.

They can hit em, the planes I find it more likely the drop pod will hit it and go right through.

+ We have a great diviner so hitting the pods with marines in em will be much easier then, we also have AA guns that are powerful enough to take out the pods in a single hit.

Yeah, massed AA fire is pretty effective counter for that. Which is why they'd probably avoid dropping right on top of our cities unless forced.

They are more likely to catch a ride on a gunship or use drop pods on vulnerable armies that are outside the AA cover. The planes would be a good alternative where AA isn't present in significant quantities.

But we'd still have to divine the timing of the drop pods launch because it doesn't take them a lot of time to reach the planet.

Single marine pods should be a priority since they almost always carry officers and librarians.
 
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Yeah, massed AA fire is pretty effective counter for that. Which is why they'd probably avoid dropping right on top of our cities unless forced.

They are more likely to catch a ride on a gunship or use drop pods on vulnerable armies that are outside the AA cover. The planes would be a good alternative where AA isn't present in significant quantities.

But we'd still have to divine the timing of the drop pods launch because it doesn't take them a lot of time to reach the planet.
Good thing our AA can also deal with Gun ships assuming we can hit em (diviners whoo) though I don't think we have armies outside of the AA envelope.

Raiding forces sure, entire armies worth, but probably too dispersed and or hiding for them to land on.
 
And there was that one rad trap on a ruin that killed off the entire city, but yeah thanks for bringing up the distrinction.

I don't think we use admech rad weapons on Avernus much anyway, just in case.

@Durin

3. For omakes what would the abomination reaction to an Aquilla (the avernite awe bird) be?
4. How big is the warboss leading the Marsaara campaign?
1. all of it
2. he has not yet changed his plans significnatly
3. either view it as holy or view it as a twisted mockery of the Emperor's symbol
4. around 7 meters so massive,that is between Dreadnought and Knight-Titan
 
These babies aren't just resources, they're sons and daughters who happen to have mutation of either genetic enviromental or chaos caused. The mundane type of mutations deswrved to be saved,

While the chaos mutation influenced babies is debatable with the whole nature vs nurture thing. There really should be a way to determined what kind of mutation a baby suffers normal or chaos caused, before any decision is made about the baby's fate.
You must be new to 40K.
 
Good thing our AA can also deal with Gun ships assuming we can hit em (diviners whoo) though I don't think we have armies outside of the AA envelope.

Raiding forces sure, entire armies worth, but probably too dispersed and or hiding for them to land on.

Possible I guess. They would probably try to pummel our AA good before launching pods.

Do strike craft ignore void shields ? Drop pods do AFAIK.
 
@Durin
  1. What would a Abomination Space Marine sorcerer lord be called, a High Chaplain, Chief Librarian, or a combination of the two?
  2. Given how much the Abomination likes mind control how likely are they to try and control some of the wild life to attack us?
  3. If yes on a scale of one to retroactively erased how mad would the planet mind be over chaos forces controlling some of its wildlife?
1. a Chief Librarian
2. very
3. unknown
 
1. all of it
2. he has not yet changed his plans significnatly
3. either view it as holy or view it as a twisted mockery of the Emperor's symbol
Excellent.

4. around 7 meters so massive,that is between Dreadnought and Knight-Titan
This not so much.

How likely is it to work?

True, but they probably have a shit load of crafts to throw at us.
Good thing we do too AND a shit ton of AA to back them up.
 
Somebody rang...

I read somewhere that Abaddon retain his humanity, not wanting to serve chaos, just using them to remake the imperium into his own version, he even has friends, his companion even has a senae of humor, the dark elder and a daemonette even went from trying to kill each other to friends?

Okay, let me explain Abaddon to you.

Abaddon does retain some shred of humanity even into the 41st Millennium, and despite being more than qualified, refuses to become an immortal Daemon the way many of his compatriots jump head-first into. He does this out of pride, thinking that he is using Chaos rather than the reverse, not wanting to become a thrall of the Gods like Horus the Failure.

Abaddon does not have friends - he did once, but after 10,000 years of playing chessmaster with schemers and lunatics he just has pawns and tools and minions. He dropped his Sorcerer ally from the early books into the Inquisition's lap, knowing they would interrogate him and he would tell them all about how the Imperium has no way to stop the execution of his plan.

Abaddon's version of the Imperium would just be Chaos-fueled warlordism. He does not have any plans to rule. He just wants to conquer it to prove himself better than Horus - nevermind the dis-ingenuity of beating an exhausted Imperium with no Primarchs - and will then proceed to sit on the throne and run it into the ground until somebody else with even bigger ambitions arrives and pitches him off like yesterday's trash.

That's what I get from him in his fluff. This thread may have a different interpretation of course, in which case what the GM says goes.
 
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That's what I get from him in his fluff. This thread may have a different interpretation of course, in which case what the GM says goes.
Pretty similar to what you said from my understanding, the only thing that might be different is that he has a big thing about his word at least from what the Omake I did on the subject stated.

Basically he will always keep his word if he ever gives it, which usually means that if he swears he's going to destroy the imperium come hell or high water he'll do it, if he swears to let the last of the Cadians go if they impress him he'll also do that, he'll just make it as hard for them to do it as possible.
 
Angels Fly
Angels Fly

When Chaplian Horatius finally managed to come to the top of Da Krumpa he felt his blood run cold. Champion Surt was struggling to stand, a massive dent in the wall indicating that he had been thrown into the wall, the burnt bodies of hundreds of Mega Nobz scattered around, Surtbrander still clutched in his hand as he prepares to face his enemy once again.

That enemy in question is reaching forwards to crush the head of his student Sar.

This fight had been long and bloody in the making, Da Crumpa had fallen from the heavens a mere five days after it had reached orbit, a spiteful move that didn't crush any cities due to luck. Then the true battle had begun.

For those five days the Trust had held against the orks, seemingly endless waves, as mountainous piles of corpses grew and the guns turned red from firing too many times. Dotted around were graveyards of Gargants and Knights, Fellblades and other Titan killers, where those brave souls had launched themselves into combat with each other to stop them from breaching the walls.

He himself had held the gates of DITAEON nearly alone, throwing back assault after assault upon the walls as Governor Hornor served with pride, commanding his forces the Raynor's Raiders inflicting disproportionate casualties upon the orks back lines.

It was not pretty, it was not easy. They had lost so many good men and women. Men and women who had given their lives to stop this menace. He too had lost many. Over one hundred of his students would not be returning home to Byzantium, they would not return to their little siblings or students.

And yet such heroics they had done, both the living and the dead, he still remembered Igantio cutting down a Gargant, the death of his brother still so raw that the high beta telekinetic had brought one down with only his blade.

In the end the end result was assured, though the city walls were wreaking of their former selves they had not broken, the Orkish fleet was burning in orbit, the shanty towns burned as the Trust's fleet turned their fury upon them.

Only the Warboss remained. He and his personal warband of boyz had barricaded themselves in the wreckage of Da Krumpa and had promised he'd take all comers, so come they did.

A strike force of knights led by Marshal Sigurd inserted a force of him, a few squads of Astartes, Surt and his fire Giants into the hulk and they fought their way to the Boss.

If only they had not been separated, he might have been able to save the dead Fire Giants he could see dead on the ground, the Warboss might already be dead if he hadn't been cut off, if he'd only been faster.

It mattered not, he raced forwards his faithful Crozius Arcanum crashing into the massive power claw just before his student was crushed.

"WOT ANOTHER BEAKIE? STOP AHHHHRGH." His arm ringing from the force needed to redirect the claw blow he turned swinging his mace into the brute's face sending it staggering back, before it screamed the Ork's eternal battle cry and joined into combat with him.

This was possibly the most difficult fight he had ever endured, even his fight with Gabriel had not been as hard as this in some ways. At least the archangyel had been inconvenienced by his blows, the ork merely looked elated.

He danced around it, but despite its massive bulk, more suited for a leviathan dreadnaught than an ork, it was incredibly agile, its claw and gun always there to dance with him. Worse still he found that his armour was being damaged the claw able to cut into the Angel Steel.

It was infuriating, as if his experience was actively playing against him. He was getting used to the brute's abilities countering it, even growing faster to compensate, but he simply could not shake off the feeling that its blows should be a few more nanoseconds after they came and in combat that was dangerous.

Then it hit him. His experience was playing against him. He was too used to fighting a normal Overlord and if he kept up like this he would die.

He needed a solution. Bracing himself he activated the Terminator armour's flight systems and charged, ignoring the warning sigiles that appeared as the armour screamed in the strain of pushing the massive ork.

Both of them were flung from the hulk and started to free fall as a back handed blow from the creature sent his head spinning and for a brief instant losing his grip on his Crozius. Then he was back in reality firing away from the creature as they both hurtled down.

It fired the bullets whatever they were pinging off and slowly denting his armour feeling like punches from one of his brothers and in a brief instant formulated a new plan. From the shoulders and knees the micro missiles fired hundreds of detonations ramming into the ork, doing no wounds, but blinding and confusing it as he rammed into it once more.

His wrist mounted plasma foil burned through the smoke as he cut into the vulnerable joint at the shoulder of the ork, the blade that could cut through flesh as easily as air catching on the skin of the ork green energy forming there to protect it from harm.

With a supreme effort of will he pulled severing the arm from the body as the ork's bellow caused stars to dance in front of his eyes leaping backwards he saw up above his faithful Crozius and caught it, the impacts from the orks remaining weapon growing stronger and stronger as came down, bringing his mace down upon the head of the Beast one last time. All the times before it had done next to nothing.

Now his momentum, the power of his determination and a strength that he could not explain pushed him forwards the head deforming under the blow, a second one splitting it and a third reducing it to mush.

He fell downwards the tormented flight systems of his armour doing its best to halt his descent.

When the Trust found him he was standing, his entire rib cage broken, one arm shattered, a leg pulverised and his organs pulped. But, Horatius the Steadfast lived.

A small thing on how I think things might be going at Mar Sara and maybe something to get Horatius that Paragon of Combat

@Durin
 
40k was made as a universe which had gone to shit so bad there that massive extremes are necessary on a casual daily basis just in order to survive, it's a setting made to explore what happens when you cannot succeed with the humane approach, the realm of chaos in warhammer was directly influenced and takes many concepts (such as the star of chaos) from the Eternal Champion series of books and it's multiverse by Michael Moorcock, a setting based on the balance and conflict between chaos and order and in warhammer the balance is irreparably shattered and only massive extremes can survive.

What you want is not possible in this setting.

Straw poll: who here is familiar with Moorcock's work? I'm something of a fanboy and I'm under the impression that his work doesn't get the awareness it deserves.

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The Melnibonieans would make a pretty good Slaaneshi polity.
Actually, wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the Eldar Empire that fell wasn't based on them.
 
BTW fellas I've been looking around in the data sheet for what we have (same place as where Durin put Valinor's stuff)

It doesn't include the Militia, PDF, Helltroopers or Helguard, but here's what jumped out at me.

First our heroes we've got a lot, but he added Lulana Grandmaster combatant, paragon psyker and paragon dispeller (I think we're going to have her on duty interrupting abomination rituals or getting rid of the protections the abomination will have on the titans)

We've also got 100 Troll geomancers on top of the 8 Siren Choires so that's lovely.

3 Warlords of our own...yeah I don't recommend we send out our Titans they'd get wreaked.

We've also got 480 knights vs their 625, 139 last hunters vs their 260 or so assassins

Thankfully we drastically out number them in psyker and their best are their Lords, they have 5 of them and I think they don't count as heroic so we should be able to beat them in the quality game too.
 
Idea for the Troll geomancers - Titan-scale pitfall traps. Create a void under the surface, and the Titan falls upon putting its foot over the thin roof. Maybe combine with avalanche shrubs so leading vehicle columns don't trip it early.
 
Idea for the Troll geomancers - Titan-scale pitfall traps. Create a void under the surface, and the Titan falls upon putting its foot over the thin roof.
Ohh I like this, not likely to kill the titan, but it is likely to slow them down a lot either through rescuing trapped titans or going slower to try and avoid them which of course means we can lead them into other traps.

If it can be done we should also combine it with large amounts of explosives so the Titan gets exploded as well.

Maybe combine with avalanche shrubs so leading vehicle columns don't trip it early.
Eh...not sure if you understand how avalanche shrubs work, they're more likely to prematurely set off the trap.

I mean if we stick Lin in the spine then absolutely we'll be exploiting the crap out of them...and even if he isn't but they land people there anyway.
 
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