I do not think the Silent King can conceptualize generosity.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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I do not think the Silent King can conceptualize generosity.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
They can likely understand "Oh fuck the War in Heaven is back online".
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- USA NYC
So let's start on selling our Souls to the Planet Mind and worshipping it. It's better then Chaos at least or see about empowering the Beast of the Apocalypse to destory the galaxy
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- madison
ok in order.
1. exactly why i'm saying we should ask for stuff in return. If they don't have enough techs we want to make the trade purely in techs we can ask for other things.
2. I'm not saying sell them weapons, I'm saying sell them the blueprints for weapons. it would not cost us anything material, and hell we could get them give us shit tons of AM for it. They are almost a hundred times our size, they can likely afford to ship the trust significant amounts of AM, even if we have to get them to trade the last forge city upgrades for AM production STCS.
3. we can't sell them meaningful amounts of equipment, which is why any effort to make them stronger would be giving them tech upgrades.
my point is a storm is coming, and if they get overrun by Orks we are turbo fucked because then a massive orkish domain will be right next door.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
There's no way for us to get the major factions to do any kind of regular shipping for us.
On the other hand the eldar are occasionally known to repay favours if they think they actually owe an individual something and doing so doesn't pose them real risk.
If we somehow(as a pie in the sky amazing opportunity possibility) got a group far enough into our debt that we could ask them to run a single round of messages for us I would ask them to drop off several copies of a couple of documents on every survivable uncorrupted imperial remenant they can easily contact without seriously risking the message carriers.
Such documents should be set up to attempt to make it to local figures of authority and should contain an entreaty to found and begin to support a local branch of a pan-human organization.
One with the goals of:
ensuring that conflicts between nonChaotic human powers are solved through negotiation or with minimal material loss to the species,
ensuring the widest possible spread of strategically useful data among human powers,
guaranteeing negotiations between said human powers (ie. Shooting at whoever first turns a negotiation meeting into an assasination, providing records of how well previous deals have been kept),
helping coordinate joint efforts and campaigns,
and doing what is possible to ensure the success of the trade of low mass high value goods, especially designs, information, and STCS over longish(by age of strife standards) distances.
Maybe also support exchange programs for space marines similar to the deathwatch but specialized into the three traditional inquisitoriaI areas, both to act as a force and to prevent future space marines from forgetting that they share common ground and purpose.
Such documents should contain a first draft of this organizations bylaws and organizational table, with the understanding that these should only be modified by local powers if doing so is conditional to their support of the organization, as doing so subverts the purpose of starting it, and that there will be a requirement for members to study the originals so that anyone claiming to be of this organization can theoretically function alongside the peer branches in other human powers.
It should also contain protocols to integrate with, or exchange personnel with, the parallel branches of the organization such that different branches brought into contact can present a seamless front to outside observers, regardless of cultural or organizational differences between branches. This second set of protocols should never be altered.
Everything suggested in these documents would be backed up with extensive analysis and rational support. (and maybe ask Lin if he can add anything to make it sound more convincing)
Additionally it would be best to backup that the original copies had been approved by the inquisition and the grey knights, but also just directly state at the end that the couriers are unreliable, explain how we got them to carry it, and hope that they haven't altered anything.
Of course this is an impractically optimistic course of action that we'll probably never get the chance to pursue.
Nonetheless getting it out here for discussion gets it out of my head so the idea stops puttering around in the back of my thoughts reminding me that I should tell someone about it.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
In order again
1. What other things, they have nothing else we want. They have Blood Angel tech + Terminator armour + Technomancy. All of these are good, Librarian Dreadnaught good, Angelsteel good, Bloodshard bolt, good, Baal predator also good Terminator armour very good, technomancy good. Other than that they have nothing else that interests us and I'd rather not take away the AM and EM they need, which they'd have to transport over incredibly long distances.
2. And I say no at least not DAoT stuff. Not only do they not have enough time to properly implement anything properly, not only is it likely more expensive than they can manage to implement, cause remember at best they have this.
General STCs (+2647.76% to base income)
-Petty: 2471/1500
-Minor: 324/150
-Medium: 76/35
-Major: 47/20
Luxury STCs (+2 population morale)
-Petty: 300/100
-Minor: 101/10
-Medium: 33/5
-Major: 30/0
Healthcare STCs (+3% to population growth, +3 to civilian morale, -45% to plague,)
-Petty: 136/20
-Minor: 69/10
-Medium: 50/10
-Major: 21/0
Food Production STCs (+2% to population growth, +2 to civilian morale, -45% to famine chances, +106.5% to food produced)
-Petty: 174/50
-Minor: 68/15
-Medium: 43/3
-Major: 21/0
Advanced Material Production STCs (+710.75% Advanced Material Production)
-Minor: 84/10
-Medium: 64/20
-Major: 29/0
Exotic Material Production STCs (+373% Exotic Material Production)
-Medium: 48/5
-Major: 29/0
-Petty: 2471/1500
-Minor: 324/150
-Medium: 76/35
-Major: 47/20
Luxury STCs (+2 population morale)
-Petty: 300/100
-Minor: 101/10
-Medium: 33/5
-Major: 30/0
Healthcare STCs (+3% to population growth, +3 to civilian morale, -45% to plague,)
-Petty: 136/20
-Minor: 69/10
-Medium: 50/10
-Major: 21/0
Food Production STCs (+2% to population growth, +2 to civilian morale, -45% to famine chances, +106.5% to food produced)
-Petty: 174/50
-Minor: 68/15
-Medium: 43/3
-Major: 21/0
Advanced Material Production STCs (+710.75% Advanced Material Production)
-Minor: 84/10
-Medium: 64/20
-Major: 29/0
Exotic Material Production STCs (+373% Exotic Material Production)
-Medium: 48/5
-Major: 29/0
Given they would have gotten this from Atlas I can be certain of this, especially since they DON'T have the level of Imperium STCs we were at when the Emperor fell
They don't have the advanced Imperial military tech and their economic tech is average.
Even with the other two forges giving them enough AM and EM implementing high Imperium on even a few of their worlds would take a long time if Midgard is any indicator.
We can give them a significant boost if we get them up to the level we were pre fall, minus what ever extra archeotech we had.
3. Then lets be practical and give them stuff they can have a shot at properly implement in time for the storm coming. We've got at best 50 years and at worst 30
... give me a sec I seem to remember something stirring in the depths of memory.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
FOUND IT!
As this bonus was never applied and he made it so long ago I think it might still be good
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I'm sure @Durin has forgotten about this, but I DID NOT.
As this bonus was never applied and he made it so long ago I think it might still be good
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
I at least like this part of the idea, even if I dislike the rest.
They also have the two levels of Forges that we're missing.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I forgot to add them stupid alex.
Still point stands that should be more than enough techs for us to get our grubby mitts on.
There's also the instant war options if we REALLLLLLY want to try to get them (BD geneseed and if they still have it Sangunius blood sample)
Still under the heading of 'help/get help from chaos'.
Thus still under the heading of Bad Things We Should Never Do.
I would rather fight the Orks now than the Chaos gits that survive because we helped them.
RogueInquisitor
Unexpected!
Just something to consider, beyond Terminator armor and Baal pattern Predators, we probably want to get the templates for the rest of the Space Marine vehicle list for the Varangian Guard. I'm just not sure what we would offer in exchange.
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- Germany
By the way, would our current power armor designe work better with Black Carapance and could we implant that in normal humans?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
ALARM ALARM ANGEL'S TURNING INTO AN ORK ABANDON ALL HOPE!!!!!!
In all seriousness though I dunno if we should do it, but if we did it'd probably be more like wing by yell at them, buzz off and let the orks sit on them as they try to get to us.
We've got them already
The astartes ones all use Black Carapace ones, we humans get DAoT MIU's.
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
Is more a idea of let them fight one another. we literal cannot kill all the orcs here, even with exterminatus. So let the chaos and the other bleed to.
(and the necro probably had kill the neds of this sector, so why they will allow any kind of enemy here, that can fight them ?)
(and the necro probably had kill the neds of this sector, so why they will allow any kind of enemy here, that can fight them ?)
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Durin said we could analyse Gork and Mork's psyonic frequency which would let us make a counter to it so lets do that first. (Lin can help)
Actually that was probably the orks.
Crons got more important things to worry about than that.
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- Asia
Okay.
Bad news is that there is a galactic level threat and we are too small to deal with it.
Good news is that we are a galactic level threat too.
I say we go on a discount Great Crusade and mop up all the orks from our subsector and integrate the non-chaos human polities into the trust.
Bad news is that there is a galactic level threat and we are too small to deal with it.
Good news is that we are a galactic level threat too.
I say we go on a discount Great Crusade and mop up all the orks from our subsector and integrate the non-chaos human polities into the trust.
HanEmpire
Delicious
No we're not, we're only maybe a regional power. We're a dozen worlds with less than a trillion humans. That's nothing on the galactic level.Good news is that we are a galactic level threat too.
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- Asia
We meaning Avernus not the Trust.
HanEmpire
Delicious
My point still stands, because Avernites the people and Avernus the planet cannot be classified as a "we". That's like saying that the Japanese are a force of nature because they happen to live on a massive earthquake zone.
RogueInquisitor
Unexpected!
No, we have the ground vehicles. There are still a bunch of aircraft exclusive to the Astartes that we don't have. There's the Xiphon, the Stormtalon, the Stormraven, the Stormhawk, and the Caestus assault ram that we're missing.