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And yet they are the primary beneficiaries. I'll be perfectly honest it doesn't mean shit to us if our quarantine breaks.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Information no matter how factual will always depend on the method you report it as. As much as I want to let things blow over with Vanaheim we cannot allow a Governor that is actively against Avernus and will try to go against anything that we propose.
The planet under quarantine if it fails loses nothing. Monetarily all the other planets have the incentive to pay for it as it benefits them. The only reason why Avernus would pay for it would for altruistic reasons.
Also, I do not want to tie Imperial Trust budgetary taxes on specific issues. Everyone pays the same taxes and it should stay that way.
We do not control the flow of information. The version above is how Olaf's rivals will present it and there is nothing we can do about it.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
Though really, we can justify it however we want. Avernus doesn't want to pay. That leaves the votes 5 in favor, 5 against, 2 abstain, which is enough for a failure.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
-[X] Sacrifice 3 opinion to convince Asgard to support
That would make the vote 6 in favor, 5 against, 1 abstaining. Measure passes. And we pay back Surt for his extensive support over the years because we owe him big time.
No counter-proposal on the quarantine costs. We're already putting in the work on this one.
Though really, we can justify it however we want. Avernus doesn't want to pay. That leaves the votes 5 in favor, 5 against, 2 abstain, which is enough for a failure.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
-[X] Sacrifice 3 opinion to convince Asgard to support
That would make the vote 6 in favor, 5 against, 1 abstaining. Measure passes. And we pay back Surt for his extensive support over the years because we owe him big time.
No counter-proposal on the quarantine costs. We're already putting in the work on this one.
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It definitely will be how they will choose to present this but we have to make the most of what we are given. If the next 3 centuries of Avernus Vanaheim relations will be cloudy at best well we will just have to wait it out.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
[X] Counter-Proposal to Vanaheim: Planetary system governments must pay damages, either monetary or in-kind, for any diseases or invasive species that leaves that planetary system and spreads to another within the Trust. Payment will be decided in the usual way for a dispute between two systems(5 randomly selected high judges not from those two systems. In the scenario that one planet affects more than one other planet, each planet is decided as a separate case for the purpose of finding judges not connected to the case.)
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Alright, read it with me.
Do you see this bit? Which explicitly states that the planet of origin pays the invaded planet?
And here you see how it is proposed that the amount paid will be determined.
Do you see how the words, ship or last and visited are not mentioned? Anywhere. You don't even touch upon circumstances.
It might place the blame on the last visited planet, however only in your head where the details you didn't type out live.
Read this... properly and rewrite it. With those details.
Also last transitive responsibility would not help either of the examples I qouted, in fact its totally irrelevant unless your spaceship is taking a detour rather than going straight from Avernus. Or the outbreak is actually Vanaheim Flora on Midgard after docking at Avernus. Which I'm fairly certain is not what you wanted either.
Better, still not perfect. Frankly I'm going with this.
[X] Propose the improved quarantine discussion is shelved until an inspection by a Ordo Xeno inquisitor. Once the inspection has been performed Avernus will improve standards to what is required and the process will be reviewed at the next Council meeting.[/QUOTE]
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[X] Abstain from Vananheim's proposal
-[X] But point out its unconstitutionality.
Too much personal bias to make a fair vote, but it propably wont get the 3/4 anyway.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
-[X] But point out its unconstitutionality.
Too much personal bias to make a fair vote, but it propably wont get the 3/4 anyway.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
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[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
-[X] Sacrifice 3 opinion to convince Asgard to support
[X] Counter-Proposal to Vanaheim: Planetary system governments must pay damages, either monetary or in-kind, for any diseases or invasive species that leaves that planetary system and spreads to another within the Trust. Payment will be decided in the usual way for a dispute between two systems(5 randomly selected high judges not from those two systems. In the scenario that one planet affects more than one other planet, each planet is decided as a separate case for the purpose of finding judges not connected to the case.)
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
-[X] Sacrifice 3 opinion to convince Asgard to support
[X] Counter-Proposal to Vanaheim: Planetary system governments must pay damages, either monetary or in-kind, for any diseases or invasive species that leaves that planetary system and spreads to another within the Trust. Payment will be decided in the usual way for a dispute between two systems(5 randomly selected high judges not from those two systems. In the scenario that one planet affects more than one other planet, each planet is decided as a separate case for the purpose of finding judges not connected to the case.)
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[X] Abstain from Vananheim's proposal
-[X] But point out its unconstitutionality.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
[X] Propose the improved quarantine discussion is shelved until an inspection by a Ordo Xeno inquisitor. Once the inspection has been performed Avernus will improve standards to what is required and the process will be reviewed at the next Council meeting.
-[X] But point out its unconstitutionality.
[X] Support Muspelheim's proposal
[X] Propose the improved quarantine discussion is shelved until an inspection by a Ordo Xeno inquisitor. Once the inspection has been performed Avernus will improve standards to what is required and the process will be reviewed at the next Council meeting.
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The order whose leader is said to and I quote her character sheet
Inquisitor Yinn is considered to be an expert on the Necron menace and has spent most of her career studying them. She is one of the more fanatical members of the Ordo Xenos and is a great believer in xenocide as a preventative measure
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If she comes up with a proposal that can realistically start Xenocide on Avernus then she's got one hell of a plan. If she's hating on the Quartoks, then they shouldn't be on the ships anyway and Quarantine was about as good as a choclate teapot.
If she proposes either of those we'll tell her that falls outside of the inspection and could she please do her job.
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yes, they are incredibly expensive, take an age to build and are not worth building in all bust the most extreme of environments
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Are you trying to tell us that Muspelheim is worse than Avernus?
Ok, based on things that durin stated in regards to my question...
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
So, while we should definitely oppose the measure because it's frankly way too punitive as well as being unconstitutional. Olaf is obviously doing this for political reasons, so offering to pay out something is better than outright opposition as it throws him a bone to make him look good, and 250,000,000 Thrones a year is not all that much of our annual gain (our annual net is over 8 billion, and we'll be increasing that due to the education bonus we'll get with the chairs). Though @durin could comment on whether it might be good to offer more or less.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
Durin says this would pass, and I think getting a good military asset in what is likely to be an upcoming war with the Valinor subsector forces who have probably fallen to the Abomination.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
So, while we should definitely oppose the measure because it's frankly way too punitive as well as being unconstitutional. Olaf is obviously doing this for political reasons, so offering to pay out something is better than outright opposition as it throws him a bone to make him look good, and 250,000,000 Thrones a year is not all that much of our annual gain (our annual net is over 8 billion, and we'll be increasing that due to the education bonus we'll get with the chairs). Though @durin could comment on whether it might be good to offer more or less.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
Durin says this would pass, and I think getting a good military asset in what is likely to be an upcoming war with the Valinor subsector forces who have probably fallen to the Abomination.
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Climatically it is.
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in many ways yes, the air is hot enough to kill an unprotected man in seconds and melt some metals
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[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
They do make a decent point about the Trust as a whole needing a group in charge of quarantines. Perhaps we could expand it to having the whle trust paying into the pot.
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as a note about the Nomad city, the one you will get will be around a third the size of a full Nomad city as they are pushing the edge on how large an object you can safely send though the Warp
a quarter of a billion would be fine
Indeed. The hostile environment means that no human can live there.
However I would argue the Nomad Cities would be in more danger at Avernus cause the unpredictable and variety of danger compared to Muspleheim which is just a magma filled hellscape where heat and eruptions are far more predictable.
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[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
That's fine. I said before it would be fine if it was smaller.
I'm guessing since the emergency measure is for a full sized Nomad City, it would be rather risky for them to use it and they'd probably lose a city or two if they had to use it.
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yes, they estimate a 10-20% chance of losing each city even with a short jump
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[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
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