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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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[X] Enjou
The warp being what it is that isn't quite as certain as you might think.
Not only could a Tau expedition have ended up in our neck of the woods but after the warp storm we have had there is no guarantee the Trust is still where it used to be.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
The Tau don't use our system of travel as they never go into the warp fully, not having navigators or any species that can navigate the warp, they just skim along the top. In 40K its about 1/5th the speed of Imperial methods, but its much safer, so no temporal or spatial bs.
Even in Age of Dusk they never went full warp.
They did gett a ship into another part of the galaxy though the Jericho rift, but that is also not in our area.
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HanEmpire
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The Warp is full of mysteries and unpredictable elements yes, but there must be some level of lore consistency throughout the setting in order to retain suspension of disbelief. Having the Tau, a species specifically noted for its slow Warp Drives and inability to produce psykers/navigators, appearing on the other side of the galaxy just because "Warp lol" is something that just destroys the narrative. So no, unless @durin creates a very, very good and compelling reason for the Tau appearing in our neck of the woods it's not going to happen.
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I mean they're not immune to Warp Storms and we know that Warp Storms can change time.
HanEmpire
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The time dilation isn't big enough to allow the Tau to advance that much. I mean having them come to Segmentum Pacificus through a galaxy in an Age of Strife would mean that the Tau developed Necron-tier tech.
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- England
Given they are only 3000 years old in 40k, and they match the imperium already, this isn't that unlikely with 4000 years passing between then and now.
HanEmpire
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Not without becoming psychic (fast Warp travel) or getting C'tan help (break physics). What you're talking about completely contradicts the hard limitations that the Tau have.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Well this is based on Shadow of things to come and Age of Dusk and in AoD the Tau's warp tech does surpass humanities... in 20,000 years and doing what they were already doing better.
And even then the Silent King annihilates them.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
Changing vote.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
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- Somewhere, Maybe
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
Good things all. I personally would still like to take Olaf asside later and offer to let him "browbeat" us into forgiving some percentage of the tithe, to gain political favor back home. He could spin it that his proposal to make Avernus pay officially for screwing them over failed, but he still managed to beat some consessions out of the notoriously tough Avernites.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
Good things all. I personally would still like to take Olaf asside later and offer to let him "browbeat" us into forgiving some percentage of the tithe, to gain political favor back home. He could spin it that his proposal to make Avernus pay officially for screwing them over failed, but he still managed to beat some consessions out of the notoriously tough Avernites.
Hello, been away for a while. Real Life hit rather hard, not fully let up either.
Haven't totally caught up but thought I'd make some comments on the Vanahiem Quartok nat 1 disaster.
This right here seems like the best spin to put on it, we were just trying to reduce tensions between our protectorate and our friend inside the Trust.
Avernus, the socially awkward nerd-jock who can kill you in a dozen different ways but all thumbs when it comes to not offending people.
Add in a forgiveness of debt to add some balm to the insult (see honey, I bought you a massive diamond ring to show how sorry I am), and see if we can get Vanaheim to shift from "outraged at the idiot" to "exasperated at the idiot" status.
Not a bad idea...
Maybe we can approach Surt about it beforehand an not offend Muspelheim. Since they support the whole Quartok protectorate too...
Maybe allow Olaf room to push hard for requiring the tithe for the Muspelheim cities, and return home with a political victory?
Behind the scenes we agree to "sell" our Vanaheim debt to Musphelhiem very cheaply so that it can afford to pay for this tithe.
Another idea:
We just figured out how to build a Starfort. Asgard has one. We have one. Would Vanaheim like one?
Vanaheim would also be the next most natural place to build one next, since we will want to defend our main fleet port.
It could be sold as a clear benefit to Vanaheim that comes from having such close relations with Avernus. Which makes Olaf's relationship with Avernus a positive. It can also bolster the reputation of our new Fabricator-General, while at the same time placating the Vanaheim Mechanicus, since they get some of that wonderful Mechanicus prestige that Avernus has been hogging.
Haven't totally caught up but thought I'd make some comments on the Vanahiem Quartok nat 1 disaster.
This right here seems like the best spin to put on it, we were just trying to reduce tensions between our protectorate and our friend inside the Trust.
Avernus: Vanaheim is our friend, Quartok is our protectorate. Vanaheim doesn't like our protectorate. That's bad. We want them to be friends. Can't we get Vanaheim to not hate our protectorate?
Vanaheim: I get that, BUT YOU WERE PROPAGANDIZING MY PEOPLE! You wouldn't like that if I did it to you.
Avernus: *sheepish* I guess I went about it the wrong way, but I really did just want you to get along with my protectorate because I really like you a lot and it bothers me that you hate my protectorate so much. Sorry, please forgive me?
Vanaheim: I get that, BUT YOU WERE PROPAGANDIZING MY PEOPLE! You wouldn't like that if I did it to you.
Avernus: *sheepish* I guess I went about it the wrong way, but I really did just want you to get along with my protectorate because I really like you a lot and it bothers me that you hate my protectorate so much. Sorry, please forgive me?
Avernus, the socially awkward nerd-jock who can kill you in a dozen different ways but all thumbs when it comes to not offending people.
Add in a forgiveness of debt to add some balm to the insult (see honey, I bought you a massive diamond ring to show how sorry I am), and see if we can get Vanaheim to shift from "outraged at the idiot" to "exasperated at the idiot" status.
Not a bad idea...
Maybe we can approach Surt about it beforehand an not offend Muspelheim. Since they support the whole Quartok protectorate too...
Maybe allow Olaf room to push hard for requiring the tithe for the Muspelheim cities, and return home with a political victory?
Behind the scenes we agree to "sell" our Vanaheim debt to Musphelhiem very cheaply so that it can afford to pay for this tithe.
Another idea:
We just figured out how to build a Starfort. Asgard has one. We have one. Would Vanaheim like one?
Vanaheim would also be the next most natural place to build one next, since we will want to defend our main fleet port.
It could be sold as a clear benefit to Vanaheim that comes from having such close relations with Avernus. Which makes Olaf's relationship with Avernus a positive. It can also bolster the reputation of our new Fabricator-General, while at the same time placating the Vanaheim Mechanicus, since they get some of that wonderful Mechanicus prestige that Avernus has been hogging.
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- America
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
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- Spain
@Elder Haman Welcome back man, we missed you in the thread!
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
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- Fólkvangr
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
-[X] Point out unconstitutionality with trade being levied.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
-[X] Offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project instead as a concession to Olaf.
-[X] Point out unconstitutionality with trade being levied.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
I think supporting Muspelheim's proposal is a mistake. This is an opportunity to build up the Imperial Trust Navy, and we should think carefully about how to do it.
I think we should ask the Muspelheim's proposal be tabled and reconsidered after the recess.
Give us an opportunity to talk to Surt and see if he will agree to a higher tithe with an understanding that Avernus will quietly finance it. That will give Olaf a win (as Vanaheim will get the contracts for things bigger than a battleship).
EDIT: Never mind, finally caught up and see there is a new proposal to replace the current one.
Maybe later we talk to Surt about helping finance the project.
That's one thing to realize about our huge Vanaheim debt. It gives us a lot of leverage to support other planets projects.
Perhaps a discussion with the Security Council about funding the construction of additional Ramilies Starforts would be a something to discuss....
I think we should ask the Muspelheim's proposal be tabled and reconsidered after the recess.
Give us an opportunity to talk to Surt and see if he will agree to a higher tithe with an understanding that Avernus will quietly finance it. That will give Olaf a win (as Vanaheim will get the contracts for things bigger than a battleship).
EDIT: Never mind, finally caught up and see there is a new proposal to replace the current one.
Maybe later we talk to Surt about helping finance the project.
That's one thing to realize about our huge Vanaheim debt. It gives us a lot of leverage to support other planets projects.
Perhaps a discussion with the Security Council about funding the construction of additional Ramilies Starforts would be a something to discuss....
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[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] In recognition that Avernus has an extra responsibility to ensure the quarantine remains intact, offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
-[X] In recognition that Avernus has an extra responsibility to ensure the quarantine remains intact, offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
Because you don't bring in spies you catch, instead you carefully feed them the information you want them to report back to their handler.
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- The Void
[X] Oppose Vananheim's proposal on grounds of unconstitutionality
-[X] In recognition that Avernus has an extra responsibility to ensure the quarantine remains intact, offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
-[X] In recognition that Avernus has an extra responsibility to ensure the quarantine remains intact, offer to pay 250,000,000 Thrones a year to help fund the project.
[X] Suggest an alternative tithe for Muspelheim - they would build a militarized variant of a Nomad City designed to act as a mobile support facility for the Imperial Trust's military forces. It could act as a mobile shipyard to repair ships in hostile territory, and have docks for Flying Fortresses that could be dropped onto worlds to support ground troops and air forces.
[X] Propose a twenty year moratorium on trade tithes for metal.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
Also because this is Avernus and thus any spies we find are going to be absurdly badass to survive here.
The wildlife gives no shits what planet you come from.
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- United States
[X] Enjou
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- Somewhere, Maybe
Welcome back, @Elder Haman! I missed you, and your insights. With Enjou still here, it kinda felt like it was just us watching Enjou play the quest.
No offense intended, Enjou, you've got great ideas, but without someone else to step up and offer alternatives (and my appologies to those that have since Elder Haman's hiatus), it was starting to get a bit dull.
additional appollogies to anyone who might find this post offensive, I've been awake for over 24 hours now, and I think it's starting to affect my judgment.
No offense intended, Enjou, you've got great ideas, but without someone else to step up and offer alternatives (and my appologies to those that have since Elder Haman's hiatus), it was starting to get a bit dull.
additional appollogies to anyone who might find this post offensive, I've been awake for over 24 hours now, and I think it's starting to affect my judgment.