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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Yeah, then we can expedite the Psyker action, which is nice so that we don't have Xavier tied up for 5 years on a construction action. We will still have a large Exotic material stockpile for all those ships we want to repair. And we can tutor Syr in Piety now (mainly so we can get the training in Diplomcay/Learning options).

Made the following changes to my plan:

Elder Haman said:
Ministorum:

[X] Tutoring (Syr)

Changed to Tutoring Syr. Higher Piety means we can get tutoring in Diplomacy and Learning.

Telepathica:

[X] Build New Scholastia Psykana: Lindon
244,000,000 Thrones, 24,400,000 Material, 12,200,000 Metal, 2,440,000 Promethium, 3,440 Advanced Material, 384 Exotic Material.
-[X] Expedite: Build New Scholastia Psykana: Lindon
244,000,000 Thrones, 24,400,000 Material, 12,200,000 Metal, 2,440,000 Promethium, 3,440 Advanced Material, 384 Exotic Material.


Personal:

[X] Chain of Command
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Whispers of Change (Safely Shutdown Xenos Technology)
-[X] On Fjol IV things would have gone a lot better if the Mechanicus could shutdown Xenos technology safely. Who else could be trusted to deal with such a dangerous responsibility?
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@durin
1. Horus Lupercal. What was the deal with him? Did he get legitimately corrupted or was he just forcefully possessed by the Chaos Gods? Did he come back to his senses just before he was obliterated? Has the Trust's population's opinion of him changed in the wake of the Revelations?
2. Ollanius Pius: guardsman, Terminator, or Custodian?
 
Andres110 said:
1. Horus Lupercal. What was the deal with him? Did he get legitimately corrupted or was he just forcefully possessed by the Chaos Gods? Did he come back to his senses just before he was obliterated? Has the Trust's population's opinion of him changed in the wake of the Revelations?
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He always seemed like he was convinced by the chaos gods after he was injured by that felblade and when emps didn't come out personally to explain himself that cemented it, all this was influenced by chaos.

When the emps blasted him he apparently came back to his senses and begged for forgiveness, but how true that is unknown.
 
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@durin
1. Horus Lupercal. What was the deal with him? Did he get legitimately corrupted or was he just forcefully possessed by the Chaos Gods? Did he come back to his senses just before he was obliterated? Has the Trust's population's opinion of him changed in the wake of the Revelations?
2. Ollanius Pius: guardsman, Terminator, or Custodian?
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Horus was corrupted. He came to his senses for a split second as the Emperor was blasting him, but it wasn't long enough for him to feel anything.
 
Andres110 said:
@durin
1. Horus Lupercal. What was the deal with him? Did he get legitimately corrupted or was he just forcefully possessed by the Chaos Gods? Did he come back to his senses just before he was obliterated? Has the Trust's population's opinion of him changed in the wake of the Revelations?
2. Ollanius Pius: guardsman, Terminator, or Custodian?
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1. Corrupted and may have cam to his senses just before death, the Emperor is not sure and does not want to know
2. You were not told
 
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Analysis of Ancient Defence Cruiser:
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    • Analysis of Ancient Defence Cruiser:

    As there are no unique components found aboard this ship as we have already completed the schematic. However Archeotech and STC fragments have been found which will be of use.

    Among these are more examples of the stable plasma technology, heywire, more conversion beams and Vortex grenades, giving us a good number for reverse engineering.

    However spread over all the ships we have found multiple new archeotech devices that bare similarities to those used by the Skittari of the Adeptus Mechanicus, though these do seem to be slightly stronger and more stable.

    The first and most intriguing of these weapons is the Neutron laser. This is the last word in anti-mechanical warfare, with a stabilised neutronic coil arc reactor as a core. The reason this weapon was used not only for its devastating anti-armour capabilities, but also for an intense and electromagnetic wave it produces frying machinery, perfect for destroying the men of Iron.

    They have been recovered in pistol sizes to turrets that would not look out of place on tanks

    The Eradication Beamers: this impossible piece of technology is, well simply impossible. When activated it fires a yellow beam outwards. At such close quarters beings caught in its beam are eradicated at a molecular level. The Mechanicus has no idea how it functions.

    Arc Weapons: Powerful tools once thought to be only located in the archives of Mars, these perma capacitors discharge their power with a loud crack that fires energy everywhere, and can fry a humans brain in one hit, we tested on some heretics, or overload a war machines Data Cortex in seconds.

    These weapons came in all shapes and sizes, from pistols and rifles, to mauls and knifes.

    A strange weapon called Transonic again with similarities to those found utilised by Mars Skitarii, these weapons when activated emit a constant low buzzing. Unlike the examples used by Mars these do not cause discomfort in the user. They work by adjusting their sonic frequency to objects they strike, resonating with them and cutting through them. Obviously this has its limits, but the sound waves produced can damage organs, or electronics, which is presumably why they were used.

    There were no ranged versions of this weapon, instead there were, daggers and swords of varying styles used by the humans and a "razor" used by the A.I which was capable of much higher frequencies, but it is unlikely we could use it for normal humans.

    Mind Scrambler Grenades these grenades release an incredibly powerful EMP pulse that seems to be based on the shock squid from the Fair Isles. This pulse is so powerful it can cause massive neural Trauma to those caught in its blast and can completely destroy machines, cogitator hubs.

    Narthicum: style medical device. This device features all the tools of a surgen at the flick of a wrist. Miniscule and minimised with improvements made to the tools, this would allow our corpsemen to save many more soldiers in combat

    Finally there were many monomolecular knives are not uncommon in the Imperium, but these are far more better in many respects, and are sized for power armour wearers. This would be useful for the Helguard and if we can make it smaller an excellent tool for our people.


    In addition to that many intact and damaged examples of the older Storm family of multirole assault class flyer have been discovered the Storm Eagle and Warhawk VI (Storm Bird), and Storm Raven.

    All of these ships can serve the purpose of air support, void fighter, transport, orbital dropship and Strike Craft as they can go from in atmosphere to void fighters easily.

    The Storm Eagle is equipped with forwards facing twin linked Neutron Lasers and backwards and sides facing plasma flame throwers such as those discovered in the escort hulls. It is armoured to an incredible extent being much tougher than any known form of flying vehicle, being equipped with similar armour to the ships themselves and can transport a full 40 power armoured men.

    The Warhawk VI or to use its colloquial name the Storm bird. While it is bulky and less aerodynamic than the modern day Thunderhawk it is has the capacity to transport around 150 power armoured men. Its weapons are similar to the Storm Eagle, but are not as extensive. Many of the ships also appear to have bombs on them, we don't know what type of bomb yet.

    The Storm Raven is easily the smallest of the storm family, intended for use as a gun ship, though it retains the variability that makes the Storm Family so useful. It is far more agile and features a much larger weapon compliment, such as Neutron blasters, and specialised hey wire weaponry, and missile launchers. Again it can go from an in atmosphere craft to an extra atmosphere craft and a drop ship. We can also determine that many of the craft in the debris field are Strom Raven attack craft.



    STC while there were not many, there were some recovered from the ships. These were recovered from the Data nets of the ships in question.

    First an incomplete STC for a type of exosuit armor, this design was found inside the armory one board one of the intact ships and includes basic grappling hooks and will provide an almost 75% increase in the strength and running speed of a human being, as well as providing support for recoil allowing for a human outside of power armor to use the Impaler rifle. It seems that this was used on board ships as well as by the general populate due to area constraints not allowing for power armor. This STC is 72% complete.

    The second an intact STC was that of a very small grenade around the size of a finger bone, but with the power of a full frag grenade capable of being thrown in groups and having a variable timer that can be controlled through the interface inside the heads up display, with a standard timer of three seconds.
    Again just my hopes for stuff that might be on the ships with more emphasis on anti machine stuff. No ground vehicles this time, though I do have plans for the larger ships.
     
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    Finally there were many monomolecular knives are not uncommon in the Imperium, but these are far more better in many respects, and are sized for power armour wearers. This would be useful for the Helguard and if we can make it smaller an excellent tool for our people.
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    How can a monomolecular knife be "better" than the ones we have? It's literally at maximum sharpness and the STC that was found for it already increases its durability. The standard Astartes Combat Knife is one such mono-blade and can already be used by users of power armour, as can all mono-blades.
     
    Andres110 said:
    How can a monomolecular knife be "better" than the ones we have? It's literally at maximum sharpness and the STC that was found for it already increases its durability. The standard Astartes Combat Knife is one such mono-blade and can already be used by users of power armour, as can all mono-blades.
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    I'm going to say DAoT BS and we don't have the one you are referring too. It is astartes only after all. As for why, better egernomics, better durability, most of the issues surrounding these things do not apply.
     
    Alex pears said:
    I'm going to say DAoT BS and we don't have the one you are referring too. It is astartes only after all. As for why, better egernomics, better durability, most of the issues surrounding these things do not apply.
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    No dude, STCs ARE Dark Age of Technology stuff. The mono-blade formula used to make Astartes Combat Knives are no more Astartes-only than bolters are. It's used in practically every high-end bladed weapon, including chainswords.
    As for durability:
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    This large knife -- easily the size of a normal human's short sword -- holds a mono-molecular edge that never dulls, even through centuries of service.
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    Can't get more durable than "never ever dulls".
     
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    No dude, STCs ARE Dark Age of Technology stuff. The mono-blade formula used to make Astartes Combat Knives are no more Astartes-only than bolters are. It's used in practically every high-end non-power bladed weapon, including chainswords.
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    Fair enough, but you do know what they will do to a normal human who even touches a space marines equipment and isn't a chapter surf... yeah most humans couldn't even lift Astartes weapons and the recoil would kill them.

    Also why? why would the same STC be used for the normal dudes when it is large enough for power armored dudes. I am basing it on the same STC as the one found after all.
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    Can't get more durable than "never ever dulls".
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    Never dulls isn't never breaks. Never dulls means it won't get less sharp, but breaking it is still very possible especially if you hit the sides of the blade where there isn't a mono edge i.e. the fuller.
     
    Alex pears said:
    Fair enough, but you do know what they will do to a normal human who even touches a space marines equipment and isn't a chapter surf... yeah most humans couldn't even lift Astartes weapons and the recoil would kill them.

    Also why? why would the same STC be used for the normal dudes when it is large enough for power armored dudes. I am basing it on the same STC as the one found after all.
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    The STC found doesn't to make Astartes Combat Knives specifically, it just makes mono-blades. The specifics of how large the bladed weapons are is up to the manufacturer, so you can have a mono-knive just as good as the Astartes one except sized down for regular humans.

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    Never dulls isn't never breaks. Never dulls means it won't get less sharp, but breaking it is still very possible especially if you hit the sides of the blade where there isn't a mono edge i.e. the fuller.
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    The sides of the weapons have nothing to do with the actual mono-edge. You could make the entire blade out of iron for all it does to the blade's cutting power. If you wanted to increase its durability, just make it out of something harder like adamantium.
     
    Andres110 said:
    The STC found doesn't to make Astartes Combat Knives specifically, it just makes mono-blades. The specifics of how large the bladed weapons are is up to the manufacturer, so you can have a mono-knive just as good as the Astartes one except sized down for regular humans.
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    Where's ya getting that from. By 40K time the Knife was exclusive to only 20 Astartes chapters, and there was no mention of it being scale-able up or down. It is entirly possible it was and Mars was just being a bunch of hoarding mega clods.

    Also as for the chainswords, part of the STC it was found from, not taken from a much more recent STC.
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    The sides of the weapons have nothing to do with the actual mono-edge. You could make the entire blade out of iron for all it does to the blade's cutting power. If you wanted to increase its durability, just make it out of something harder like adamantium.
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    Yes, but if the main body of the weapon is shattered then the blade is useless. The edges may be invulderable to all but BS, but the rest of it isn't and with out support it blows away
     
    Alex pears said:
    Where's ya getting that from. By 40K time the Knife was exclusive to only 20 Astartes chapters, and there was no mention of it being scale-able up or down. It is entirly possible it was and Mars was just being a bunch of hoarding mega clods.

    Also as for the chainswords, part of the STC it was found from, not taken from a much more recent STC.
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    I've got the quote.
    Standard Template Construct (STC)
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    "Sixty years ago [...] a team of Imperial scouts found an intact STC [...] It was the Standard Template Constructor for a type of steel blade, an alloy of folded steel composite that was sharper and lighter and tougher than anything we've had before. Thirty whole Chapters of the great Astartes are now using blades of the new pattern. The scouts became heroes. [...] each was given a world of his own. It was regarded as the greatest technological advance of the century..."
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    The tech isn't restricted, it was just new at the time and hadn't yet been rolled out to everyone. I was wrong in thinking the knives could be made of different metals. Still, it can be surmised that the alloy can be used to make things besides Astartes Combat Knives.

    As for the chainswords:
    Chainsword
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    Most versions of the weapon make use of monomolecularly-edged or otherwise razor sharp teeth.
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    Andres110 said:
    The tech isn't restricted, it was just new at the time and hadn't yet been rolled out to everyone. It also says specifically that it's the STC for the metal rather than the knife, so we were both kinda wrong (I in that the blade could be made of different kinds of metal, you in that it was specifically for a knife.) Since the STC was specifically for the metal rather than the knife design, it can be surmised that it can be used to make things besides Astartes Combat Knives.
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    hu. so we were... opps :oops:

    As for the chain swords, yeah, kinda redundant now, but I also knew about that as well. I did say that I thought the monomolecular was part of the design that made it mass producible, not that it was borrowed from other designs.
     
    Elder Haman said:
    Hmm... another thing to consider is that the Regional City for Psykers uses up virtually all of our Exotic Material stockpile.

    Maybe we should go with one of the smaller options. Then we could afford to expediate it and still have a ton of exotic material left.

    I mean, we are probably going to need a lot of Exotic Material to get all those ships repaired, right?
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    That is unfortunately true, the expansion seems the best idea, but if we take that option we are going to lose both the capacity of building ships and power armor, @Enjou, I suggest you to reconsider that option...
     
    @durin despite 40K BS physics the fact remains the designes for most vehicles and the like are pretty bad. When we get to that point can we do a project to improve the basic designs. Just making the Leman Russ sleeker and more aerodynamic would be a huge plus and be simple to do.
     
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