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The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)

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[X] Plan: Yes, we have a Phalanx. What about 2nd one?

[X] Plan: Redeemed in Iron-DAOT Edition

[X] Plan: Guardians of the Old.

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[X] Plan: Defenders of Ultramar (Maximum Geneseed edtion)
- [X] The Imperial Fists: A famously stalwart legion, the Gene-Seed of the Sons of Dorn lacks the Betchers Gland and Sus-an Membrane entirely, leaving them incapable of spitting acid as an emergency weapon and unable to enter suspended animation when critically injured, but otherwise is fairly stable. They are renowned as the greatest masters of defense in all the Imperium, and have also begun to fill the role of the treasonous Iron Warriors in siege warfare.
--[X] Potent Gene Seed
--[X] Potent Gene Seed x2
--[X] Legendary Gene Seed
- [X] Rhodes 77: A planet in the Ultramar region, Rhodes is an important hub world due to it's location along several of the most stable warp routes known to Ultramar. This makes the regions near the world a den of piracy both of the human and xenos variety. (Ultramar Region).
--[X] Adaptive Gene Seed
--[X] Adaptive Gene Seed x2


[X] Plan: Yes, we have a Rock. What about 2nd one? (Maximum Geneseed edtion)
-[X] The Dark Angels: The Dark Angels, sons of Lion El Johnson, much like the Ultramarines have a very stable and mutation free Gene-Seed. They have access to a great deal of highly advanced technology gifted to them by the Emperor, and have formed several of their Companies into heirs of their previous elite forces such as the Deathwing. However, the Dark Angels have also been acting very erratic of late, and are stubbornly insistent about forming 'relations' with their founding chapters regarding matters they refuse to speak of, even to other Astartes. A great number of officials within the Imperium are growing very concerned about this, but with the death of the First Legion's Primarch, it seems unlikely anyone could force them to reveal the reason for their behaviour.
-[X] Legendary Gene-Seed.
-[X] Potent Gene-Seed.
-[X] Potent Gene Seed x2
-[X] YT868: A massive network of Dark Age of Technology space stations that have fused together similarly to a more coherent Space Hulk, and become capable of self sufficiently supporting a planet-sized population. Despite this, the void of space is still a very hostile place to live, and the population of this vast station is often under attack due to their home's very nature. (Ultramar Region).
-[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed.
-[X] Adaptive Gene Seed x2
 
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[X] Plan: Void Privateers

[X] Plan: Void Privateers (Maximum Geneseed edtion)

[X] Plan: Defenders of Ultramar

[X] Plan: Defenders of Ultramar (Maximum Geneseed edtion)
 
tri2 said:
their chapter was that old?
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Maybe? They're probably just Loyalist Thousand Sons*. Their records only go back a few thousand years but they show up in Imperial records long before. Doubly so since we know that they've purged records of their history for unknown reasons.

*I don't think that Relic really had an answer planned for their origin, they draw elements from half a dozen different chapters and their motifs in DoW1.
 
tri2 said:
their chapter was that old?
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Their most likely origins are either loyalist Thousand Suns or loyalist Word Bearers, so they'd have to be. Personally, I lean towards the latter, given that their non-psykers haven't developed a habit of turning to dust since the Rubric of Ahriman (which seems to be tied to the TS's geneseed as well as their nominal legion) and not suffering from the Flesh Change if it did somehow miss them (there's nasty rumours surrounding failed BR librarians, but those reference deliberate daemonic possession, famously a Word Bearers specialty), plus some minor hints dropped throughout the Dawn of War series - like Eliphas specifically calling them 'brothers' as a taunt when no non-WB does, their home subsector sharing a name with Lorgar Aurelian and having a world with a dark secret named Cyrene, pre-Heresy WBs being just as knowledge-hungry as the TS and also having high rates of psychic potential,"knowledge is power, guard it well" literally being an Erebus quote etc.

EDIT: Oh, and the Word Bearers fought at Kronus during the Heresy, a planet where Davian Thule discovered relics from the Blood Ravens' past that had such terrible implications he immediately destroyed them.
 
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Max Uristwell said:
Their most likely origins are either loyalist Thousand Suns or loyalist Word Bearers, so they'd have to be - personally, I lean towards the latter, given that their non-psykers haven't developed a habit of turning to dust since the Rubric of Ahriman, plus some minor hints dropped throughout the Dawn of War series.
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If I recall correctly, the Word Bearers also used their Librarians for divination support. I'd have to double check but I thiiiink the rubric only applied to the Thousand Sons who were in the Warp at the time. I'm not quite sure how it interacts with any newly inducted members of the warband though.

The Thousand Sons also had a Raven Cult with a prophecy of bloody and fatherless ravens, but that was written after the games were already out.
 
Dream Logic said:
If I recall correctly, the Word Bearers also used their Librarians for divination support. I'd have to double check but I thiiiink the rubric only applied to the Thousand Sons who were in the Warp at the time. I'm not quite sure how it interacts with any newly inducted members of the warband though.

The Thousand Sons also had a Raven Cult with a prophecy of bloody and fatherless ravens, but that was written after the games were already out.
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Yes, Blood Raven combat doctrine is a much better fit for the Word Bearers' pre-Heresy doctrine as a whole than the Thousand Sons', although they'd be descended from the latter's divination specialists if that theory were true so it's not a significant scale-tipper. And IIRC a bunch of Thousand Sons during the Burning of Prospero escaped through a portal and accidentally ended up shunted into the future, where those too weak to withstand the Rubric immediately turned to dust, in which case it must laser in on the geneseed.
 
I'd say the Rubric focuses in on the idea of the Thousand Sons themselves rather than the gene-seed. Or at least those loyal to Magnus given we never see instances of loyalist Thousand Sons getting hit with it.
 
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