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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] Building the foundation blocks
-[X] Speak Viserys
-[X] Speak with Tyland Lannister
-[X] Train with Syrax
-[X] Relax

Hear me out. Viserys is king and currently our entire claim is based on his order. It would be prudent to be active in maintaining our relations with him.

As to why speak with Tyland. Tyland will be an important member of the small council, to the point of essentially masterminding the Greens' masterstroke of spiriting away the treasury in canon. If we want to make connections with the small council, and eventually get our own seat, he seems like a good place to start.

In addition, I think we should give serious thought to at least the possibility of a match with Jason Lannister. Going by the ages set in the wiki he's an age appropriate match and is the lord paramount of the wealthiest and one of the most important kingdoms in Westeros. While kind of a douche, we at least know he would be interested in a match with Rhaenyra in canon, though us taking the Visenya Reborn background may have butterflied that. If we were to marry him, we could potentially turn one of Rhaenyra's most powerful opponents in canon into an ally if he knows us inheriting means his own children would sit the Iron Throne.

As for actions, dragon training is important as the most powerful weapon of war available to us. With regards to relaxing, it seems prudent to use a period in which we're relatively at low stakes to reduce the stress we just got rather then letting it build up. We don't want to have breakdown at some point and get a negative trait or a dillema from too much of it.
 
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On marriage, I'd say we should look for a dude who fulfills three criteria:

1) Brings us the friendship of a Great House;

2) Is fine with Rhaenyra banging Alicent having other actually loving relationships on the side;

3) Would give us legitimate heirs, or at least legitimate-looking heirs.

Laenor only fulfilled two of them, and failing 3 put 1 at risk, but he's probably still a top tier pick. Hopefully, though, we might find a better match this time around.
 
Thalmann said:
On marriage, I'd say we should look for a dude who fulfills three criteria:

1) Brings us the friendship of a Great House;

2) Is fine with Rhaenyra banging Alicent having other actually loving relationships on the side;

3) Would give us legitimate heirs, or at least legitimate-looking heirs.

Laenor only fulfilled two of them, and failing 3 put 1 at risk, but he's probably still a top tier pick. Hopefully, though, we might find a better match this time around.
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I'm personally hoping we can manage to have our husband be our loving relationship, though time will tell. Othewerwise needing to balance our marriage with a sidefling is going to add a lot of difficulty to our plate. It certainly did for canon Rhaenyra.
 
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Imperious said:
I'm personally hoping we can manage to have our husband be our loving relationship, though time will tell. Othewerwise needing to balance our marriage with a sidefling is going to add a lot of difficulty to our plate. It certainly did for canon Rhaenyra.
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I will say hoping for a loving relationship with Rhaenyra's standards with Jason Lannister is uh, it's a dubious prospect to say the least. Also I should note getting Jason Lannister to agree to a marriage deal Viserys will find suitable is also a bit dubious.
 
Teen Spirit said:
I will say hoping for a loving relationship with Rhaenyra's standards with Jason Lannister is uh, it's a dubious prospect to say the least. Also I should note getting Jason Lannister to agree to a marriage deal Viserys will find suitable is also a bit dubious.
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That's part of why I asked what other Great Houses lords or heirs are available:lol:

Though, yeah, finding a match that is both useful and loving could be difficult, but I don't think necessarily impossible. Sometimes loving relationships can be forged over time rather then be ready made. Another option might be Cregan. Of the various lords paramount of the time he would be probably be the easiest option for us to have an actually loving relationship with given how very smitten he was with Black Aly
and we took the Visenya Reborn option.

Cregan however is 11 years our Junior, which is a considerable, but not necessarily impossible age gap. It would also involve the issue that either he would have to move south to King's Landing at least until he inherits, or we'll have to move north and be very far away from the goings on of court.

Edit: There's also the issue that canonically Cregan's uncle, who acted as his regent, is implied to have tried to usurp Cregan's claim to the north until Cregan had him imprisoned. That's the sort of situation where Cregan being far from the north could end up very badly for his rule.
 
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[X] Plan Family and Politics
-[X] Speak with Viserys
-[X] Speak with Otto Hightower
-[X] Train with Syrax
-[X] Study Visenya Targaryen

picking this, talking to dad will be good, we're both griefing and trying to reorient. Otto is curious, I want to figure out what he wants. I doubt our strongheaded princess will do particularly well in the conversation... Maybe we should talk to Alicent first? This is still good enough though.

Syrax training will be good, although there's probably less chance to impress ladies if we are flying around far from court.

If we want to move on the small council plan next turn we ought to talk to the master of coin I think. Just showing interest in the realm's affairs might help.
 
Though if not this turn I think we should give some thought about being proactive about our marriage and finding a match. Having adult children during the time of any civil war could be incredibly useful, just look at how much Jace contributed to Rhaenyra's cause. If there aren't any doubts about their parentage like in canon we could also try to have them bond with some of the powerful unclaimed adult dragons like Dreamfyre, Silverwing and Vermithor rather then put an egg in their cradle.

If I'm not mistaken we're also near the time period in which Viserys starts to pressure Rhaenyra to go on her tour to find a match as well.
 
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Imperious said:
If I'm not mistaken we're also near the time period in which Viserys starts to pressure Rhaenyra to go on her tour to find a match as well.
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If we're going by HotD TL then we're roughly three years from when the pressure really gets put on Rhaenyra. It was not automatically an option this turn due to Rhaenyra's views on love making her adverse to arrange a marriage until she's fallen in love and Viserys isn't even thinking about that yet. It can be a write in option for her to start figuring out what her options are.
 
Teen Spirit said:
If we're going by HotD TL then we're roughly three years from when the pressure really gets put on Rhaenyra. It was not automatically an option this turn due to Rhaenyra's views on love making her adverse to arrange a marriage until she's fallen in love and Viserys isn't even thinking about that yet. It can be a write in option for her to start figuring out what her options are.
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Did Laena claim Vhagar already? If not, one option might be for us to marry a Celtigar or Velaryon, other then Laenor, husband and try to have him be the one to claim Vhagar.
 
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I imagine even just trying to get ourselves to think of our hand as a resource instead of something to be given in love might be stressful for Rhaenyra! I think we should be romantic and see what comes up rather than force our princess into a marriage that will make her sad
 
Dutchy12 said:
I imagine even just trying to get ourselves to think of our hand as a resource instead of something to be given in love might be stressful for Rhaenyra! I think we should be romantic and see what comes up rather than force our princess into a marriage that will make her sad
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We did take finding love as an ambition, so we should try to find a loving match as well. However I do think it would be remiss of us to not try to plan out our marriage in advance, ideally in such a way that we can manage a good match and a loving marriage both. Marrying early has a lot of potential advantages as well, and we know that canonically Viserys decides to force the issue besides once Rhaenyra takes too long to decide, with Rhaenyra's canonical marriage also causing her no small amount of trouble for all that Laenor was a prominent match.

If anything I'd think wanting to find a loving marriage would be a good reason to start early rather then late, so we have more time to try to pick a match that we'll also like before Viserys starts putting the pressure on.
 
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That's fair, it just feels like we're too young to figure that out, we're more the age to charge headlong into some excitement and learn from that without anyone blaming us too much
 
Dutchy12 said:
That's fair, it just feels like we're too young to figure that out, we're more the age to charge headlong into some excitement and learn from that without anyone blaming us too much
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It's mostly that canonically Viserys ends up forcing the issue despite our youth, so we don't actually have that much time. If we end up waiting too long we might find ourself in a situation in which Viserys lands us with a match that is both pretty bad and unloving like in canon.
 
In terms of marriage, I still think the best option would marry sufficiently below our station (lordly but not a Lord Paramount family, maybe) that the seniority inside the marriage is never in doubt, and that we can pass on the family name through the matrilinear line. Yes, this risks not forging a friendship with a power bloc, but I do think those are the pitfalls a woman in a position of power has to navigate - lest she be de facto usurped by her husband.
 
Our hand in marriage is too valuable to not leverage it into an alliance, but yeah, station is important. We should be looking for third sons or cousins of sitting Lords Paramount, not their own heirs.
 
Susano said:
In terms of marriage, I still think the best option would marry sufficiently below our station (lordly but not a Lord Paramount family, maybe) that the seniority inside the marriage is never in doubt, and that we can pass on the family name through the matrilinear line. Yes, this risks not forging a friendship with a power bloc, but I do think those are the pitfalls a woman in a position of power has to navigate - lest she be de facto usurped by her husband.
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OTOH, we have a dragon, so being a widow is always an option.
 
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