We could incorporate this into our wedding. A ceremony confirming that we are the heir of the Iron Throne. I think that since we have a good relation with Oldtown,we could even rope the High Septon in taking part of the ceremony. It would be a great tool to exert legitimacy.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
We could incorporate this into our wedding. A ceremony confirming that we are the heir of the Iron Throne. I think that since we have a good relation with Oldtown,we could even rope the High Septon in taking part of the ceremony. It would be a great tool to exert legitimacy.
I'm not convinced it's something that would be worthwhile, at least going by the English experience of Henry II (who fittingly enough, was the son of Rhaenyra's equivalent in English history). His son was crowned king and had no real power, and then spent most of the rest of his life rebelling against his dad.
Of course, most of Henry's other sons spent a lot of time rebelling too. Not really encouraging for children of an equivalent to our marriage (Henry's wife was Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought vast amounts of land with her as her feudal property when they married, and she encouraged her sons in their rebelling), even if we will almost certainly have a better relationship with our spouse than Henry did.
I was mainly thinking having Rhaenyra suggest it occur for her. With there being two good, though somewhat contradictory reasons for doing so:
1) Dorne only joins when Rhaenyra becomes "Ruling Queen", and as history has shown, the heir apparent doesn't always survive long enough to be crowned. While it'd be a bit unclear over whether being crowned while Viserys is still around "counts", it's a potential way to pull the trigger on that at a good time.
2) There is very little chance that we'll cure Viserys, meaning that no matter what, the disease will continue and slowly degrade his health and ability to rule. Rhaenyra being crowned Queen early means that she can take over some of those duties, while keeping the Hand of the King in place.
While I didnt consider this possibility before... Its possible even if Mellos dies, Viserys simple orders Orwyle to continue the old treatment?
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Good to know that.
To me the get crowned early idea doesnt seem like it would work the best.
The real plan should be to ensure that we, or someone loyal to us, are his Regent when his health goes downhill
The real plan should be to ensure that we, or someone loyal to us, are his Regent when his health goes downhill
I was think less of crowing us Queen and more a ceremony to confirm us as heir.
Sure, we could get a special circlet/diadem/Coronet to sign our status but the mains thing is to indicate to the realm that we are the next in line.
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We had one of those, in the opening post even.
If we want to mark a special occasion as "heir-plus," we get Blackfyre on our twentieth nameday.
CharlieKing
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do we get to throw a fun party for that? not a small celebration, like a fun gala.
not for any particular reason, i just think having Rhaenyra plan her own nameday+Blackfyre handover party would be a fun thread activity.
it's like discussing heraldry, but we talk about seating arrangements in addition to color palettes 😆
It'd be fun and advantageous to do eventually, but I don't see any benefit to doing it before we get Blackfyre and/or Viserys has a son.
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I had forgot that completely. It does makes more sense to commemorate this kind of occasion when we receive the Blackfire sword. And in 3 years time we will already at least have one children already and probably will also have already studied much under Lionel Strong. It might be a good occasion to take his post and finally realize our dream of being part of the Small Council.
Small celebration ? Nah. If anything it needs to be very big, like 7 days of competition and feasts. Plus we should invite all the Lords of the Realm, so they do swear to us (again).
An event like that would make our legitimacy soar and make our odds even bigger in the future civil war.
CharlieKing
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well i was talking about throwing a party for receiving Blackfyre in the first place, and since it's also on Rhaenyra's 20th b-day it would also double as a b-day party (gifts? 🫣🥹)
it's a prime schmoozing opportunity, and it's great when you have full control over those. becoming known for being a magnanimous host that throws good parties can only do good things for Rhaenyra's reputation.
if Qoren is in KL for this, it might also be a good opportunity for him. he is to the schmooze-build as Rhaenyra is to the dragonknight-build, that's his element.
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Now with sun, I think I'll call this one the celestial sigil.
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fuuuck is kin of sick as fuck
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Now with sun, I think I'll call this one the celestial sigil.
The second one is very beautiful and uses very well the Targaryan colors + some odes to the Martells and Aryns. I think we could use it to be our personal banner/herald.
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Quite good, but honestly, since we are already incorporating the Arryn's moon and the star into the design, I think that Syrax would look better with regular Dragon wings...imgbox - fast, simple image host
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Now with sun, I think I'll call this one the celestial sigil.
The star isn't Arryn I just threw that in to balance the design.
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Say @Teen Spirit how long does Mellos have to live? I must admit, I have been morbidly curious these last few updates wondering just what Daemon has in store for him.
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Distinction from the targarian main sigil, emphasis on this sigil belonging to just one dragon, representation of the first female targarian knight in the history of westeros.
Eh, I'm going to suggest against it. I'll point out that other houses have Dragons as part of their arms, the three heads is what makes it clear that the wielder is a Targaryen.
Fun fact, the House Toland design was adopted during the war with Aegon I. Specifically, after their Fool at the time tricked Aegon into killing him while the Lord Toland escaped. Said fool wore yellow and green while performing.
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On the matter of sigils, if we going to adopt a pesonal sigil. We could use a what was done in canon (only replacing Velaryon with Martell):
Rhaenyra's personal sigil was the standard Targaryen heraldry (a three-headed red dragon on a black field), quartered with the moon-and-falcon sigil of House Arryn (for her mother Aemma Arryn), and the red sun pierced by a golden spear on orange of House Martell for her husband Qoren Martell
Rhaenyra's personal sigil was the standard Targaryen heraldry (a three-headed red dragon on a black field), quartered with the moon-and-falcon sigil of House Arryn (for her mother Aemma Arryn), and the red sun pierced by a golden spear on orange of House Martell for her husband Qoren Martell
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The only problem with that design is that it is pretty problematic culturally... In Westeros, inverting the colors on a sigil is associated with legitimised bastards (and that has been a thing for centuries before the Blakfyres were a thing), and we don't want our personal sigil to have that sort of implications...