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The Dawi in Arda (Hiatus)

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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Good point. An ancestor of his than, we know the ability was in the blood and his descendants.
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In a very real way, Beorn *was* an Ancestor to the Beorning people, so it'll be interesting to see how things change.

thefoolswriter said:
more like let us have a dozen runesmiths before we do anything with the runelord I would hire out the rune smiths for simple stuff the rune lords time is precious
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Still going to take a *lot* of time, and arguably that will happen so far in the future that it won't help *now* when we're still trying to set up.
Silversun17 said:
So a thought about the kid we are going to be sheiltering: what if we make Rohan their own Runefangs?
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I mean...I can think of far worse things to do than make epic magical weapons that will let people be awesome.

thefoolswriter said:
they would have to be out of mithril or steel gromril is a bit much as its finite
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*tries to see problem inherent in this...fails* :p

Joking aside even steel and mithril forged Runefangs will still be weapons that legends in Arda will be told about.
 
Silversun17 said:
So a thought about the kid we are going to be sheiltering: what if we make Rohan their own Runefangs?
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I'm down with making them a Runic item. Just the one though, we're working with a limited Rune pool and we can only make a single one of any Rune combination. I've already got something for that in fact;

Fram's Resolve
-Banner Spear
-Fire, Courage, Courage
Crafted from the bone and hide of Scatha this standard bearer is modeled after the weapon with which Fram, son of Frumgar, slew the mighty Drakk Scatha. The banner which sits just below its keen point shows, on one side, the symbol of Éothéod and upon the other depicts the tale of the slaying of Scatha told partly from the point of view of the Dawi Rangers who witnessed the event first hand. When unfurled the Banner upon this Spear bursts into beautiful fire, yet through the flame it's imagery is as clear as ever, clearer even, and any who are ally to its bearer shall feel the unshakable resolve that Fram himself displayed in his Duel with Scatha.
 
argenten said:
In a very real way, Beorn *was* an Ancestor to the Beorning people, so it'll be interesting to see how things change.


Still going to take a *lot* of time, and arguably that will happen so far in the future that it won't help *now* when we're still trying to set up.

I mean...I can think of far worse things to do than make epic magical weapons that will let people be awesome.


*tries to see problem inherent in this...fails* :p

Joking aside even steel and mithril forged Runefangs will still be weapons that legends in Arda will be told about.
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we need the gromril for our hammerers and I doubt they will be that legandry
 
Also, it is worth noting for all LOTR is called low-fantasy, even at their lowest Gondor casually gives out their magical walking sticks to Sam and Frodo as if they mean little, and Boromir has a horn that calls even a Balrog to hesitate for a heartbeat.
 
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I consider it highly auspicious that tiny mirrors of the alliances and partnerships that propelled the Karaz Ankor forward happened at the same time.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I'm down with making them a Runic item. Just the one though, we're working with a limited Rune pool and we can only make a single one of any Rune combination. I've already got something for that in fact
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I never understood this rule.

How did Golden Age Dawi equip entire armies with runic gear? millions fought in that war. Surely the Karaz Ankor would run out of useful 3 rune combinations really quickly.

Edit: Great item idea btw.
 
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Moneris said:
I never understood this rule.

How did Golden Age Dawi equip entire armies with runic gear? millions fought in that war. Surely the Karaz Ankor would run out of useful 3 rune combinations really quickly.
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They had far more runesmiths and were probably more lax with the rules. Now though the population of Runesmiths tanked hard and they became extremely zealous about the rules and traditions of their craft.

Edit: they also just had more runic knowledge and thus more runes. Now the Runesmiths have what amounts to a single book of runes where as before they had a whole library.

Gutfroy calling himself a Runelord would have been a down right insult to the title during the Golden Age.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
They had far more runesmiths and were probably more lax with the rules. Now though the population of Runesmiths tanked hard and they became extremely zealous about the rules and traditions of their craft.

Edit: they also just had more runic knowledge and thus more runes. Now the Runesmiths have what amounts to a single book of runes where as before they had a whole library.

Gutfroy calling himself a Runelord would have been a down right insult to the title during the Golden Age.
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Yeah I always found it to be such an odd rule. It does not really make sense since the rule of pride also applies to single runes.

So the Karaz Ankor could have only one Cannon with a Rune of immolation? Actually that would mean you could barely have any rune siege equipment at all.
As soon as the single rune combinations are done you have double runes, as soon as they are done you have triple runes and as soon as they are done then you can't do anymore. The Runesmith might as well retire as any further work would repeat past work.

And it even further does not make sense since Irondrakes all have the same Runes to grant them high temperature immunity so they are not harmed by their own weapons. With the rule of pride, you can't strike every piece of armor with the same heat resistance rune.

It just seems so odd that the smith would strike a rune once and then never again as to avoid striking the same rune twice. I don't know if I am interpreting this wrong.
 
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Moneris said:
Yeah I always found it to be such an odd rule. It does not really make sense since the rule of pride also applies to single runes.

So the Karaz Ankor could have only one Cannon with a Rune of immolation? Actually that would mean you could barely have any rune siege equipment at all.
As soon as the single rune combinations are done you have double runes, as soon as they are done you have triple runes and as soon as they are done then you can't do anymore. The Runesmith might as well retire as any further work would repeat past work.

And it even further does not make sense since Irondrakes all have the same Runes to grant them high temperature immunity so they are not harmed by their own weapons. With the rule of pride, you can't strike every piece of armor with the same heat resistance rune.

It just seems so odd that the smith would strike a rune once and then never again as to avoid striking the same rune twice. I don't know if I am interpreting this wrong.
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No no. It only applies to the Runesmith themselves. They, the Runesmith, must make unique items. Not that there can only exist one of every rune combination in the whole of the Dawi empire.
 
Moneris said:
Yeah I always found it to be such an odd rule. It does not really make sense since the rule of pride also applies to single runes.

So the Karaz Ankor could have only one Cannon with a Rune of immolation? Actually that would mean you could barely have any rune siege equipment at all.
As soon as the single rune combinations are done you have double runes, as soon as they are done you have triple runes and as soon as they are done then you can't do anymore. The Runesmith might as well retire as any further work would repeat past work.

And it even further does not make sense since Irondrakes all have the same Runes to grant them high temperature immunity so they are not harmed by their own weapons. With the rule of pride, you can't strike every piece of armor with the same heat resistance rune.

It just seems so odd that the smith would strike a rune once and then never again as to avoid striking the same rune twice. I don't know if I am interpreting this wrong.
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In my opinion the answer is simply one of two things:

Either runecrafts and such can be copied by apprentices and journeyman runesmiths as needed, with Pride only applying to major and/or named items made by runelords and full runesmiths.

Or it was a mildly stupid rule invented for the sake of Tabletop balance, and that it only applies in-lore to major runes on a per-throng basis. In that a runesmith/lord will only craft one of any given runic combination per throng of warriors or group of artisans.

The 'rule of pride' only seems to matter for major runic items (and not lesser crafts), and it wasn't really mentioned at all in lore, so far as I can recall.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
No no. It only applies to the Runesmith themselves. They, the Runesmith, must make unique items. Not that there can only exist one of every rune combination in the whole of the Dawi empire.
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Ah ok, that makes a little more sense.

It still severely limits the amount of items a single Runesmith can make though.

Say your a talented Runesmith, tasked with enchanting Irondrake armor with heat resistance. You could enchant a few bits of armor with perhaps a number of combinations. But after that the Runesmith becomes useless in outfitting any future Irondrakes or Ironbreakers.

Which puts your oldest and best Runesmiths out of circulation once certain combinations are exhausted.

Probably Kragg the Grim, who is over a thousand years old can't strike a good number of runes anymore for the rest of his life.

Pillowsperky said:
Or it was a mildly stupid rule invented for the sake of Tabletop balance, and that it only applies perhaps on a per-throng basis. In that a runesmith/lord will only craft one of any given runic combination per throng of warriors or group of artisans.
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It makes sense for tabletop, as I think there where issues with certain rune compositions being spammed.
 
UlseDovThur said:
No no. It only applies to the Runesmith themselves. They, the Runesmith, must make unique items. Not that there can only exist one of every rune combination in the whole of the Dawi empire.
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True.

One of the rules of runesmithing is that no two items can be the same. They have something of an aversion to copies of their own work. Runefangs were one of the few exceptions, but then again their creator was an odd Dawi.
 
Most of the 'minor' runesmithing and industrial base of runecrafting (making larger quantities of rune imbued tools and armour) would be the get of apprentices and runesmiths not yet fully into their mastership yet, then. The rule of pride specifically notes that apprentice runesmiths can copy runecrafts from their masters and from the runesmiths above them in skill.
 
Sertorius said:
True.

One of the rules of runesmithing is that no two items can be the same. They have something of an aversion to copies of their own work. Runefangs were one of the few exceptions, but then again their creator was an odd Dawi.
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Eh, the Runefangs were unique, they each had their own abilities.
Moneris said:
Ah ok, that makes a little more sense.

It still severely limits the amount of items a single Runesmith can make though.

Say your a talented Runesmith, tasked with enchanting Irondrake armor with heat resistance. You could enchant a few bits of armor with perhaps a number of combinations. But after that the Runesmith becomes useless in outfitting any future Irondrakes or Ironbreakers.

Which puts your oldest and best Runesmiths out of circulation once certain combinations are exhausted.

Probably Kragg the Grim, who is over a thousand years old can't strike a good number of runes anymore for the rest of his life.



It makes sense for tabletop, as I think there where issues with certain rune compositions being spammed.
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I'm pretty sure that Runes can have different permutations of the same Rune. Same base but slightly different expressions of the base effect. So that helps.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I'm pretty sure that Runes can have different permutations of the same Rune. Same base but slightly different expressions of the base effect. So that helps.
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This sounds like a good working assumption.
I would find it odd if Kragg the Grim and Thorek Ironbrow would be barred from a huge portion of their craft due to having worked on runes for hundreds of years.
 
Moneris said:
This sounds like a good working assumption.
I would find it odd if Kragg the Grim and Thorek Ironbrow would be barred from a huge portion of their craft due to having worked on runes for hundreds of years.
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Kragg the Grim is like a thesaurus of runic synonyms mixed with a gigabyte library of runic fonts, then. A thousand thousand ways to say 'Fire' in a thousand more permutations of angle and precise pronunciation. XD
 
Silversun17 said:
The Fangs of Rohan being Mithril appeals to me actually.
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Remember, that Mithril is a unique kind of metal, much like Gromril. Dawi have been using the latter for generations and know it inside and out. Once we discover Mithril, we won't be making use of it anytime soon. It will undergo long periods of studying and trials to determine how strong it is, what can be made with it and will it survive the test of time. Regular Dawi (aside from a few eccentrics) don't use experimental stuff without proper testing periods, which can last hundreds of years. Take guns for example. They are still considered "new weapons" by the Dawi, despite the fact, that we've been using them for about 200 years.
 
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Mithril isn't something new to us, it is one of three types of Gromril with the same properties actually

Gromril - Warhammer - The Old World - Lexicanum

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"Mithril
Mithril is the most common form of Gromril. It is refined by smelting to remove most impurities. It is twice as durable as Steel and weighs one-fifth as much. It also accepts runes and enchantments as readily as any other metal."

At *most* we'd just need to verify that this mithril has the same properties, which it does, naturally as opposed to needing processing to get it there.
 
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